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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 18:18

Dear pumpkin - if you end it he will tell lies about it to others (if there are any he talks to) and re-write YOUR reality to fit his. Let him do that. It's his journey. That's his right actually, galling though it is.

Yes, you do need help. Please don't start beating yourself up about the past. It's clear you have boundary and self issues. You need help to assert the soul in you that's screaming to be heard.

Nothing is wrong with you but others have meddled with your brainwaves and wrecked your self-esteem. It's taken me a lifetime to sort myself out because there was no help. These days are better, in some ways, I think. Ask your GP about talking therapy. I'm not an expert in this but others in your thread might know more. It's a huge step forward into your future, pumpkin that you even say this. I'm so proud of you!

var123 · 11/02/2016 18:25

He is your enemy.

That's how I see it too. He will only you do you harm.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 18:26

He could have been clearer that he's a player. But then, he's a Liar. Not something he could clearly call himself, eh? Your standards, innately, are way higher than his. He'll never "get" that so save your breath.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 18:33

Yeah he would never have admitted to it. I would have ran a mile if he told me that he was still in love with his ex when I met him. That is how clear he should have been.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 18:38

He replied to say that he understands and that going to work might help tale my mind off things and that he is missing me lots, loads.

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 11/02/2016 18:46

Block and ignore.
Block and ignore.
Block and ignore.
Block and ignore.
Block and ignore.
Block and ignore.
Block and ignore.
Block and ignore.

StDogolphin · 11/02/2016 18:46

He is treating you like the lady on the beach on holiday isn't he.

ricketytickety · 11/02/2016 18:47

Actually, I don't buy his fantasy other woman line. I think he's been spinning that to make you feel like you need to please him more. He hasn't accounted for the fact that you're way smarter than him and have a shit load of mumsnetters behind you. He's using waterworks to come across as soft and nice. I think he is a calculating control freak and you were his latest toy. He uses the fantasy lady line so he can drop you when he wants and say 'but I told you...'. Do you know for a fact she exists?

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 19:06

I agree with ricketytickety

He declared at the start he was in love with someone else, you fell in love anyway and now can't get out? Like falling in love is a permanent fixture. It isn't. People fall out of love as often as they fall in. It's a matter of chemicals and psychology and social conditioning mixed with hormones and a dash of soul. A riotous cocktail. It transforms all the time. It is not a fixed point. But you fell in need, not love.

So because he didn't say at second one that he loved another you blame him for you not getting out of it? So you can't get out of it?

I find your reasoning really confusing.

Livingforlove · 11/02/2016 19:07

Did you not manage to get to work today op?

Livingforlove · 11/02/2016 19:07

I think you need a distraction.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 19:08

No I don't but I am pretty sure she does. It has accounted for so many things. When I first met him and he was here and it was his birthday, he got a text message from her wishing him happy birthday as it was his 40th. He told me about it right away and said that it has shocked him or something as he didnt think he would hear from her again and hadn't seen her in 2 years.

Other things to mention, when he asked me to be in an actual relationship, he asked me what my status was on FB, I said single and he said are you going to change it and he said he wanted me to. So I did there and then. Then about 5 minutes later, he said, you know when you changed your status, you didnt mention anything to do with me on it did you? I said no. And I couldn't have tagged him in it anyway as he isn't on facebook. I asked why and he said that he just didnt want people knowing his business, although he was very enthustastic at the amount of people on my friends list who actually 'liked' it and would ask me if we had any more likes.

I should have changed it back then and told him to fuck off.

Another thing being that he didnt like having his picture taken. I asked and asked for a photo but I wasn't allowed. Then when we had pallned to take my dog up one of the mountains here for a walk, i sked him if I could at least have a picture of him and my dog at the top. He said we will see. When we got thete he didn't let me, and said that he stopped having his photo taken about 10 years ago so I think that has something to do with his ex too although how someone could make you no longer want a picture taken is anyone's guess.

On Christmas afternoon after I picked him up, we stopped in the pub on the way back to mine. I asked for a picture again and he said no. And then I joked and said that I would just take one when he wasn't looking sometime. He said very seriously, 'you do that and I will leave'. I said leave then, as I had had enough of this shit about a simple fucking photo by this point. He didnt. ARGHHHH . He never asked for a picture of me either, existing or taking one.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 19:10

Sorry for the typos, that turned into a bit of a typing frenzy

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tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 19:10

Well, he kind of said that any likely public record of the two of you together would be the end. What do you make of that pumpkin?

var123 · 11/02/2016 19:15

He's a spy! Or on the run!

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 19:15

Though I note that you didn't call his bluff.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 19:16

I am not sure what to make of it really. And yes var, it does sound like that, that's what my friend said. He's not of course but it's funny you both came to the same conclusion

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ridemesideways · 11/02/2016 19:16

You think he's married to this woman? Or carrying on with others? Makes no odds now anyway...

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 19:17

lol var

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 19:20

No i really don't. He always left his phone around unlocked. I don't think he was hiding anything. There was nothing in his house to say there would be a woman about. I really don't think so. ALthough I think he has blown all out of proportion this woman and what he thinks she means to him I don't think he has lied about it.

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tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 19:28

Thing is pumpkin I am not all that interested in your musings on him and the wherefore maybes about him; I thought you wanted to end this. If you don't that's up to you but I really don't want to analyse him at all to justify why you should let him go. You're still in the circle, his magic circle where no-one can save you from outside unless you break it open. YOU can save you, when you're ready.

Grrrrwhattodo · 11/02/2016 19:48

pumpkin I am going to be harsh now... This thread has being going on for ages and you have had loads of great advice. Why do you keep talking about him? Why do you keep avoiding the question about just blocking him?? Having recently come out of an abusive relationship, thanks to wise mnetters who made me see sense, I question why you posted this as it seems all you want to do is talk about him? You clearly are an articulate and sensible individual with a lot going for you. Why do you just not text him and tell him to fuck the fuck off? Instead of mooning about, talking about his past etc. From what I have gathered from your posts, as soon as he calls/texts/whatever, you will go a-leaping back to him. Stop concentrating on the past, focus on the future. I have, and my relationship was a hell of a lot longer than yours was.

Grrrrwhattodo · 11/02/2016 19:49

Cross post tipsy

var123 · 11/02/2016 19:50

You do know that you are mix of contradictions, don't you Pumpkin?

You want a serious committed relationship and children, but you carry on being with a man who said he wanted none of that turned out to be telling the truth?

You don't want to be hurt any more, so you are waiting around for the 14th to explicitly give him the opportunity to hurt you further.

You want to be seen as marriage material, so you agree to become the girlfriend of a man who has just demanded to know exactly which positions you had sex in with an ex as if he has a right to that information.

You don't want to be hurt, so you drag this out as long as possible.

You say that the relationship is over, so you start examining in minute detail every thing he ever did or said.

You think its ridiculous that he's still hung up on an ex that he broke up with 10 years ago, so instead of dismissing her and focusing on your needs you start obsessing about whether she is currently married or was back then.

You write pages about why and how its over and then say you can't think of how to tell him its over. (copy-paste maybe?)

You describe something that adds up to vulnerable and then you open doors to him.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 11/02/2016 19:51

Or (your latest postings inform), simply change your FB status to Single. Save yourself the effort of texting him. Job done.