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No sex for 3 years...update

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unwanted · 27/12/2006 13:16

Hi. You may remember my other thread about the emotionally abusive marriage I am in, and how poisonous he is to my children. Well, after the police told him to leave it was lovely for 2 days, but then he came back. The house is joint tenancy, so he has a legal right to be here. He promised we would talk, but then spent 2 hours slating the kids, telling them all THEIR faults etc...I couldn't believe it. After all that had happened. Anyway, a few days later I got a call from social services. the police had referred the case onto them, and they wanted to interview me and the kids. A social worker came around and I decided to tell him everything...I didn't make any of it up, just told him the truth, as did the children. he went away, and a few days later called and asked H to come in for a meeting. H cancelled the meeting, saying he didn;t think he would be home in time. They asked him to call when he got home so they could come to the house, but he ignored this too, as well as messages on the phone etc all from social services. The social worker told me that if H didn't cooperate, then they would have no choice but to call a child protection meeting as they considered my children to be at significant risk of harm due to emotional abuse.
So...now they have written to H, telling him in no uncertain terms that he can't ignore them, and that if he doesn't show on 3rd Jan at 4pm then they will press ahead. I opened the letter when it came, because I didn;t want Christmas to be any worse than it was going to be...I have to give it to him tonight.
Christmas was a nightmare. he shouted at DS an hour into the day for spilling water in the kitchen...told him to 'clean this f*ing s**t hole up'...again at night because DS stood in front of the telly and H was convinced that he had done it deliberately, and me and the kids had to spend all afternoon and evening on Christmas day watching the soaps etc in the kitchen while he sprawled on the settee because he wouldn't 'watch that shite on the telly'!
It's looking increasingly likely that we will end up in a refuge, as even if the abuse stopped I can never forgive him for what he has done, and I cannot live under the scrutiny of social services. they want him to go to counselling and parenting classes...I know he will refuse but even if he agreed they would want constant proof. If he doesn't agree then they will be considered 'at risk'. I am told that if I leave him their involvement will stop as they have no concerns about me, only him.
So...any info about refuges appreciated. What are they really like? Has anyone laft with nothing and managed to start again? how long did anyone stay in one? Where were they rehoused?
I am loathe to leave our stuff in the house. Most of it is mine, and I will never be able to replace some of it...I really need to find a lock up or storage place but I have no money now as I had to close the business because of him. Things like photos, toys, personal stuff etc...
Anyway, just thought I'd update and if anyone has any advice, experience, empty house up for grabs...(only joking about that last one!)...

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unwanted · 07/01/2007 16:53

Ok...tomorrow could be the day. We had a massive bust up tonight; he's lost the plot totally. he says he has ordered a DNA test so he can check that DD2 is his!!!!

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unwanted · 07/01/2007 16:54

I can't cope with it, so we may well disappear tomorrow

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unwanted · 07/01/2007 18:32

Right, I've calmed down a bit now...everything was ok today...he was being civil and there were no rows. then his mother rang him, and when he got off the phone he was like thunder. he spoke to me like *, and bit everyone's heads off. I asked what his mother has said that had made him so mad at me, and he flipped...said she had said nothing but I must have done something to be so suspicious and he would find me out blah blah....then ranted on saying he had ordered a DNA test to do on DD2!!!! I just flipped...after all the s*t he has put us through he then accuses me of sleeping around???? I bloody wish I had, but I never. There was a big row, during which I knocked the can of beer in his hand which he subsequently poured over my head. I really can't take any more of this. Every time I have gone into the same room as him tonight he has shut his phone up really quickly...he's obviously texting or phoning someone.
He tried bullying and intimidating us all tonight, standing over us pointing and shouting...then when Is tood up and told himthat he didn't scare me, that I wasn't intimidated by me and that he was nothing but a bully he went mad, shouting and swearing at me.
I've had it up to here with him.

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ProfYaffle · 07/01/2007 19:54

Oh God, how awful. I've never done this before but {{{hugs}}} If you need any help give me a call.

Kidstrak · 07/01/2007 21:23

god how terrible all of your last few posts, he really sounds a nasty piece of work saying that to your dd of 12yrs of age, and pouring the beer over you is outrageous! Please be strong and stand up to him and get out fast! I would call ss and ask them to help you get away from him, i'm sorry but the last few things would really want me to leave straight away especially getting a dna test done on his own baby, he has severe mental issues going on in his head that can't be good for any of you!

Thunderpants · 07/01/2007 21:26

Never "spoken" to you before, unwanted, but have been following your story. Is there nowhere you could go? TBH I'd rather be out of there with the kids on my own that there with him. Although he hasn't been physically abusive, the mental stuff is far more dangerous, especially to the children. Where do you live? Is there no one you could stay with while you sort out somewhere else to live? I know you shouldn't be the one who has to leave, but I'm sure you'd be much happier if you were out of it. I left my ex, complete with 4-bed house, all the lovely things in it, and went to a grotty rented place, complete with leaking toilet and noisy neighbours. But I couldn't have been happier. It was such a relief to be able to please myself what I did, where I sat, when I went to bed etc etc. I think it's definitely worth thinking about if you can manage it. Thinking of you, and hope things take a turn for the better soon.

scorpio1 · 07/01/2007 21:31

i have been following this thread since the beginning, and just wanted to say something.

i hope you work this out. i read about the beer pouring and the mental mindgames hes playing-it may 'only'(and its certainly not only) be mental things now,he may move on to other things. hes already started getting in your personal space by pouring the beer over you.I agree that mental mind games are a very dangerous thing. before you know, he could drain your self esteem, have you thinking things youve never dreamed of thinking about yourself, because you believe hes right.its amazing how quick this happens

i really hope you are OK

controlfreaky2 · 07/01/2007 21:37

i know this has been said on this thread before unwanted.... but you really dont have to put up with this and if he is behaving as you say you can seek an occupation order from the court. you need legal advice from a specialist family solicitor.... look in phone book or ask refuge / cab if you need help to find one in your area.

controlfreaky2 · 07/01/2007 21:38

and meant to say "good luck"!

unwanted · 08/01/2007 07:16

It's even worse now. i confided in his ex wife, as she is the one person who really understands. BUT she got it ionto her head that I was actually him (after weeks of texting and e mailing) and rang his mother and told her...told her everything I had told her. So of course his mother rang him and told him...and he's furious. he hasn't told me...I text the ex last night to ask if she had been in touch with his mother, and her husband replied that yes, she had told her everything as she believed me to be her psycho ex!!! She even told her that I had accessed his e mails! I can't believe it...he is absolutely livid (hence the beer incident) but hasn't told me, which makes it worse as he will simmer on this.
No...I have nowhere else to go, not one person. he has isoltaed us from everyone and everything so the only alternative is a refuge. I'm going to call SS today and see what they say and then take it from there.

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ProfYaffle · 08/01/2007 10:32

He must have really messed with her head for her to be thinking like that. Hope you get somewhere with ss today.

Kidstrak · 08/01/2007 10:58

good luck

unwanted · 08/01/2007 18:00

Have reached what is probably my lowest point last night and today, with lots of crying. We were all set to go to a refuge this morning, but they couldn't take the dog (which belongs to the kids and is a beloved family pet)...I knew they wouldn't be able to do but was told they could offer some sort of scheme to temporarily house her. Anyway, the nearby kennels wanted £10 per day, and 2 weeks in advance - money I just don't have. I was going out of my mind trying to sort out a refuge and then the dog...and we're still here and we had to let the place go as nobody would help us out with the dog. (he is cruel to her too by the way).
So...I spoke to a solicitor today, and am going to see if I can get an occupation order to get him out of the house instead.

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controlfreaky2 · 08/01/2007 18:17

really pleased to hear that you are going to get some legal advice asap. sorry to hear you're still haveing such a very hard time . write down an account of all the incidents of abusive behaviour towards you / the kids / the history of your relationship / details of the property so you can give solicitor full coherent account quickly. they will need alll this info to prepare a sworn atatement in support of any injunction application if that is what they advise you to do and what you decide to do. good luck. stay strong.

Judy1234 · 08/01/2007 18:43

I really really think you'll all be a lot better staying put and getting your other half out. Do try to get that with a solicitor. YOu're the one with the children to house and the dog.

ProfYaffle · 09/01/2007 08:50

it does seem more sensible for you to stay put if possible. Good luck, you're doing the right thing.

unwanted · 09/01/2007 10:09

Yep. My initial upset and heartbreak has been replaced (slowly) by a hardened determination to do the best thing for my children, and myself too. He is the one who has behaved appallingly, lied, cheated, been abusive, cruel etc and yet I was on the verge of making myself and my children homeless. No chance. NOW I fight back and claim what we are entitled to! I figured if we go to a refuge, then they rehouse us it could be at least a year before I even start getting our lives back on track. But if we can stay here I can start to rebuild our lives straight away. So the solicitor it is.

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unwanted · 09/01/2007 10:11

The council have told me that they will make the house more secure if I get an injunction...womensaid change locks apparently, and the police will install panic alarms, so this is what I am going to do.

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ProfYaffle · 09/01/2007 14:03

Good for you - keep on keeping on (iykwim!)

controlfreaky2 · 09/01/2007 14:19

good on you unwanted. let us know how you get on....

duchesse · 10/01/2007 09:55

Unwanted, if you decide to chuck him out etc, you have to be aware that he may not just let is pass. You will have to be prepared to tell him go away, tell him why, and never speak to him again until he can be civil. If he begins to harass you. go straight to the domestic violence unit at your local police station, and ask for their help. They are generally very good, and will fit panic alarms etc if you feel under threat. It is not going to be easy until he gets the message. Nobdy can say how he will react.
Someone further down said that his ex sounds like she's put up with this already, and is scared- obviously his mother knows what he's like as well, but she has been foolish enough to share what ex told her with him. My sisters ex's family are s glad to have him off their hands when he is a relationship, the stupid f*ckers wont even warn new partners about him. He haws done the same thing for 25 years (he's now 52), and my sister is the first to stand up to him.

Good luck-it is going to be a hard job, but you must think of yourself and your kids. He is a big boy and can look after himself.

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ProfYaffle · 19/01/2007 13:43

Hi all,

I've had an update from OnlyWayisUp (unwanted changed her name on another thread). She has moved into a refuge with the children this morning after things escalated further, she hasn't got internet access and asked if I'd update MN for her. She says the accommodation is nice although they're all finding it a little strange at the moment.

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