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No sex for 3 years...update

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unwanted · 27/12/2006 13:16

Hi. You may remember my other thread about the emotionally abusive marriage I am in, and how poisonous he is to my children. Well, after the police told him to leave it was lovely for 2 days, but then he came back. The house is joint tenancy, so he has a legal right to be here. He promised we would talk, but then spent 2 hours slating the kids, telling them all THEIR faults etc...I couldn't believe it. After all that had happened. Anyway, a few days later I got a call from social services. the police had referred the case onto them, and they wanted to interview me and the kids. A social worker came around and I decided to tell him everything...I didn't make any of it up, just told him the truth, as did the children. he went away, and a few days later called and asked H to come in for a meeting. H cancelled the meeting, saying he didn;t think he would be home in time. They asked him to call when he got home so they could come to the house, but he ignored this too, as well as messages on the phone etc all from social services. The social worker told me that if H didn't cooperate, then they would have no choice but to call a child protection meeting as they considered my children to be at significant risk of harm due to emotional abuse.
So...now they have written to H, telling him in no uncertain terms that he can't ignore them, and that if he doesn't show on 3rd Jan at 4pm then they will press ahead. I opened the letter when it came, because I didn;t want Christmas to be any worse than it was going to be...I have to give it to him tonight.
Christmas was a nightmare. he shouted at DS an hour into the day for spilling water in the kitchen...told him to 'clean this f*ing s**t hole up'...again at night because DS stood in front of the telly and H was convinced that he had done it deliberately, and me and the kids had to spend all afternoon and evening on Christmas day watching the soaps etc in the kitchen while he sprawled on the settee because he wouldn't 'watch that shite on the telly'!
It's looking increasingly likely that we will end up in a refuge, as even if the abuse stopped I can never forgive him for what he has done, and I cannot live under the scrutiny of social services. they want him to go to counselling and parenting classes...I know he will refuse but even if he agreed they would want constant proof. If he doesn't agree then they will be considered 'at risk'. I am told that if I leave him their involvement will stop as they have no concerns about me, only him.
So...any info about refuges appreciated. What are they really like? Has anyone laft with nothing and managed to start again? how long did anyone stay in one? Where were they rehoused?
I am loathe to leave our stuff in the house. Most of it is mine, and I will never be able to replace some of it...I really need to find a lock up or storage place but I have no money now as I had to close the business because of him. Things like photos, toys, personal stuff etc...
Anyway, just thought I'd update and if anyone has any advice, experience, empty house up for grabs...(only joking about that last one!)...

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unwanted · 02/01/2007 08:01

Well thank God that's over. I've never hated xmas and new year so much in my life!
New year's Eve he decided to go to Tesco to buy some food and games for the evening...great I thought, at least the kids might get to enjoy it. Me and the kids wanted to buy 'cadoo'...something to make us laugh and be silly...but no. he refused point blank, despite both me and the kids saying we wanted it, and started trying to buy chess and draughts!!!!! For bloody New Year's Eve????? Finally he bought wallace and grommit DVD game which was quite good fun but then after 20 minutes he refused to play anymore.
Then, at 20 to midnight, me and the kidas were sitting there with party poppers watching the countdown, and he got up and sat at the computer checking his web statistics!!!!! Ignored the countdown, and the fireworks on telly completely, and when we all said happy new year he never said a word! When I told the kids to get ready for bed he came back to the settee, looked at the floor and said 'is no f*er going to clean this mess up? It's just bone ideleness'!!!! Referring to the streamers on the floor and settee. FFS
Then, yesterday, once again, me and the kids watched telly in the kitchen ALL evening. he wouldn't even have the vicar of dibley on in the living room, which he likes...just to spite us I'm sure.
Even though this has been a miserable time,I am glad becuase he has just hardened me to him and his ways, and nothing will make me change my mind.

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NewMoonOnMonday · 02/01/2007 08:49

Oh unwanted, I'm shuddering after reading your posts on this thread. What a fucking monster your husband is!!! I wish I knew what to say about the housing aspect/social services but I don't.

Poor you and your children, putting up with this mad pig living in your home.

I grew up in a warped home environment. Violent, alcholic father and a good mum (but she had her priorities all wrong - she just wanted her family to be seen as civilised in our community - who bloody cares!). I remember our family doctor saying to her 'your husband is wicked - get as far away from his as possible' - how I wish she'd taken his advice.

Hugs to you and your children. I hope you get away from him ASAP - sod anything material IMO. I wish I could help you.

unwanted · 03/01/2007 13:03

New Moon...thanks. It is his appointment this afternnon at SS, and he did take the letter with him this morning, although that doesn't necessarily mean he will keep the appointment...it could mean he is going to cancel it. I'am also worried that he will be able to talk his way out of it, say what they want to hear...or that they will tell him what I have said and I will cop it when he gets home.

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justJAM · 03/01/2007 15:23

unwanted - no advice to offer but just had to post and say I think you are a strong and amazing person - taking the decision to leave a violent and abusive relationship is so hard and sometimes resolve can waver - just remember to stay strong, keep to your decision, if you start to think it's not that bad, remind yourself of your LO's. My mum thankfully made the choice to leave my bastard of a father and I can clearly remember life feeling so so much better living in a happy home with no fear - I know my mum was scared and unsure if she could cope, but she did and for my brothers and I (and mum too) it was the best thing ever.
Stay Strong xxxxxxxx

unwanted · 03/01/2007 22:24

Hi everyone. Well, he went for his appointment todayat SSand guess what? 'No child protection issues'!!! he obviously charmed/lied.manipulated his way out of it and has them all fooled! I can't believe it and feel so let down. I have yet to speak to the social worker about today, but I will call him tomorrow and hope against hope that H is lying to me.
So he came home, spoke to DD like st, then ignored her for the rest of the evening. Basically SS have given him a licence to abuse the kids...they have as much as given him permission to abuse the kids. I feel sick to my stomach, I really do. My son is finding it really hard to sleep at night, and is now showing worrying OCD type tendencies...he is also up and down the stairs to the loo all the time; you know that nervous sicky type thing you have when you are worried or scared? He's 9 years of age FFS

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Kidstrak · 04/01/2007 18:06

hi unwanted, you need to get on to ss and tell them what your dh does to the kids, you need to keep a mental note of all the things he has said to the kids and speak to ss. You can't have ss thinking there is no problem when clearly there is one, control freaks like him have a way of talking/charming thier way out of a wet paper bag thats the kind of man they are dealing with, fingers crossed for you and the kids

ProfYaffle · 04/01/2007 20:01

Really sorry to hear this uw. Have you heard the 'verdict' direct from ss, or has he told you? Just wondering if he's bullsh!tting to worry you.

unwanted · 05/01/2007 09:33

Hi Prof...good new year? No, I haven't heard it from SS yet; the social worker is away til Monday so I can't ask him. It did cross my mind that maybe I'm not getting the full story from H.
It's messing my mind up because he seems to think that everything is fine now. Last night he was going on about booking a summer holiday! I couldn't stand it...he'd make our lives, and especially the children's lives, hell. He won't go on the beach, doesn't like the sun, won't go in a pool, finds it boring just watching kids playing...I remember going to a theme park in germany once and he spent the day taking great delight in deliberately doing the opposite of what the kids wanted to do. 'What do you want to go on kids?' 'Ooh can we go on that rollercoaster over there?' 'That one? You want to go on that one? Well, we're not, we're going THIS way instead'....and did it all day. The poor kids were so confused and it was a thoroughly miserable day. Can you imagine going on holiday with him? I've told the man I want a divorce and he wants to go on holiday????

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unwanted · 05/01/2007 09:37

Incidentally I spoke to the housing officer yesterday. There's not a lot I can do unless he agrees to move out which he won't. They don't have the domestic violence clause in their tenancy agreement so can't site that. I could end the tenancy altogether, then reapply for this house in my name only but there's a risk I wouldn't get the house back so would be homeless anyway. Basically, I'm stuck unless I take drastic action and leave the house and go into a refuge.

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justJAM · 05/01/2007 09:46

Hi UW - sorry to hear SS are being total twats, everyone thought my father was wonderful too, he was also a charmer....You are being very strong and just keep telling yourself that getting out from under the all consuming control of this man is the best thing you can do for your LO's and yourself x

ProfYaffle · 05/01/2007 09:56

Bloody hell uw, no-one's making it easy for you are they? I'm sure you'll find a way somehow, just keep pushing.

unwanted · 05/01/2007 10:02

Hi Prof...you'd think after all the hassle with DD and the school thing I would have learned that NO ONE in a position to help, does! I think that because I am not walking around with black eyes and broken noses it's not being taken seriously. ironically the police (and if you remember I had a very low opinion of them a few months ago) are the only ones who didn't seem taken in by him, and wouldn't let him worm his way out. Unfortunately I let him back in and now I'm in this mess.

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ProfYaffle · 05/01/2007 10:07

Hopefully your social worker will have some suggestions when you speak to him next week. Your poor ds, I really feel for him.

unwanted · 05/01/2007 11:49

And the plot thickens....it seems that he is getting in touch with old 'friends'...all female (he has no male friends) and trying to re-connect with them. I found an e mail from one of them, first saying 'hi, what a blast from the past' so he'd obviosly sought her out. Then another today in response to one he had sent saying 'don't worry...I haven't forgotten about the drink OR the boat ride', and saying she was now living in the next county to ours. I scrolled down to find his mail to her, and it said 'when are you going to take me out for a drink then, and what about the boat ride?'

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unwanted · 05/01/2007 11:50

And another woman phoned him yesterday. He had obviously phoned her when me and the kids were out, but she wasn't there (judging by the conversation on the phone) so she called him back but not banking on us being home to find out!

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ProfYaffle · 05/01/2007 12:28

I'm tempted to say let him get on with it, maybe he'll move in with one of them!

Do you think he meant you to find it? Is he still monitoring your e-mail btw?

unwanted · 05/01/2007 12:54

It wouldn't bother me per se to be honest...but after all the crap he's put us through it's just adding insult to injury. One of the women lives with a bloke, and the other one is married so doubt it's anything more than him having someone stroke his ego. I doubt he wanted me to find out...he deletes all his texts constantly, and the e mail came today after he went to work (I figured out his password a while ago). She had replied to his e mail, so his message was still on there which is how I read it. he even clears his 'sent' box constantly.

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ProfYaffle · 05/01/2007 14:18

I do know what you mean about adding insult to injury. Is it a sign he's accepting the relationship is over? He was refusing to acknowledge that at one point wasn't he?

unwanted · 05/01/2007 15:11

He still is Prof!!! he's trying to book a holiday for the summer!!!

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ProfYaffle · 05/01/2007 16:28

How odd, it makes my head hurt. God only knows what it's like to live with him. Is it safe to e-mail you?

unwanted · 05/01/2007 19:47

Hi prof. yes, e mail me...to be honest I'm past caring. It also appears that he hasn't been telling me the truth...we had another row tonight and he blurted out that SS DO think there are big problems, and need to bring in 'outside agencies'. He also hinted that MY skills and parenting methods are under scrutiny. Not a bloody chance...whatever else people can say about me, I'm a damn good Mother.

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ProfYaffle · 06/01/2007 09:30

Oh ffs, what a nob. You've done really well to keep sane after living with him for so long.

Will drop you a line.

Kidstrak · 06/01/2007 10:52

unwanted other outside agencies usually means a "safegaurder" the safegaurder is there to check on the wellbeing of the children, usually children who can talk about whats happening at home, other agencies could mean a simple visit from a Health Visitor or being recommended to attend parenting classes, None of the above is clearly not needed by you, just getting rid of him would solve it any outside agencies being brought in! Don't worry about any of it, if it was that serious ss would be there knocking on your door, take what your dh says with a pinch of salt

unwanted · 06/01/2007 18:51

I had to work today for 3 hours...winding down the business as it were. When I got back in things seemed ok but i was suspicious that there was something else going on. Later on, DD told me that there had been a big row, during which HE told DD that she will only be here for another 5 or 6 years (she's 12), and once she leaves she will never step foot in the house again. DD asked him oh, so what happens when I have kids...does Mum not get to see her grandchildren'? and he said 'you'll have to get past me first'. The worst part is...he then threatened her not to tell me, saying that if she does I will see it all as her fault and will blame her. Who the does he think he is?

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unwanted · 06/01/2007 18:53

Hi Prof...I got your e mail, and will reply tomorrow if that's ok? I'm sure everything will be ok for you and DH.
As for the holiday, I told him that I couldn't think of anything worse than going away with him, and until things are sorted out at home I wouldn't even contemplate it.

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