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To think that “It won’t happen” isn’t an acceptable response to my anxiety?

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LetThereBeCupcakes · 09/11/2015 07:28

Was going to name change for this but can’t remember my password so sod it. Might have to go undercover later. Apologies but this is going to be long.

DH and I had a massive argument yesterday. Our driveway slopes gently down towards the road. It’s not a huge incline – but enough that if you left the handbrake off the car it would roll slowly down. We have been using the driveway to store our caravan (a sore point – DH promised when he bought it 2 years ago he’d put it into storage but never did). Finally he sorted out somewhere to store it and planned to take it down yesterday afternoon. He asked me to help him move it off the driveway, so I went out with him. He couldn’t back the car up to the caravan because our neighbour had parked her (beloved, pride and joy) car directly opposite our drive. She wasn’t in so we couldn’t ask her to move it. The road isn’t very wide so it meant we had to pull the carvan down the drive, turning it as we went to avoid her car. There was about 6 inches wiggle room, so all very tight. Remember the drive is on a slope. I have hopermobility, and am generally clumsy and not very confident in my abilities (physically). I said to DH “What if I can’t hold it [the caravan] and we hit the car?” He responded “it won’t”.

DH has form for brushing any of my worries under the carpet. His way of dealing with anything is “oh, it’ll never happen”. He will never make an effort to reduce the chance of something happen / plan for a problem because he’s convinced it’ll never happen. So I said it made me feel really bad when he didn’t at least acknowledge my fears. So he said “well what do you WANT me to say?” Clearly getting annoyed with me. I thought for a bit and suggested that I would like him to make an effort to show he’s thought about what I’ve said, and made some practical suggestions. Or at least not become annoyed when I told him I was worried about something. He responded with “Fine, we’ll leave it then.” And stormed into the house, slamming doors and throwing things as he went (toddler DS sitting on the sofa and watching all the time). I followed him and and asked him to “listen for a moment” as I was going to say we can still do it I’d just like some reassurance, but he refused to speak to me. I suspect this was because actually he realised it was a risky thing to try but would never admit it.

So I sat down with DS, feeling generally shit about myself. A few minutes later I heard the door go. I knew he had to sort out his van for work so didn’t think much of it. Decided to get some fresh air so stuck DS in his buggy and took the dogs for a walk. When I got outside I saw that he’d moved the caravan alone and had taken it away. Bloody stupid. If he’d slipped he could’ve been seriously hurt (or worse) and I wouldn’t have even known he was there. Even more annoying is that he could clearly hold the weight of the caravan so presumably only wanted me to help guide it? But because he wouldn’t bloody talk to me I had no way of knowing that.

A little bit of background: Life is very stressful at the moment, my dog is dying of cancer and has to go outside to the toilet every 2-3 hours, so I’m up 3 or 4 times every night to let him out. So exhausted. We’ve just had his parents over for the weekend which is always stressful (they are lovely but DH acts like a spoilt teenager when around his family). So I’m possibly not in the best frame of mind anyway.

So this morning, he’s acting like nothing’s happened. But I’m refusing to back down on this and I want an apology. Usually when we argue I’m the one to back down. So AIBU? Or does he need to apologise?

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LetThereBeCupcakes · 09/11/2015 11:35

Thanks Becca

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Penfold007 · 09/11/2015 16:12

Cupcakes I apologise your not anxious, your H is the problem.

LetThereBeCupcakes · 09/11/2015 17:19

No need to apologise, Penfold, you offered advice based on my OP. Nothing wrong with that.

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IamtheDevilsAvocado · 09/11/2015 18:29

he sounds an arse!.... as you say not taking responsibility...

the example you give re the gas and the boot arenent examples of anxiety... this is COMPLETELY proportionate, normal response to him leaving the gas on and the boot open...

I do wonder how much your supposed mental health issues, are illusory and are more about your OH deflecting his anger, at his own incompetence....

It's much easier to blame you, rather than to admit his own failing...

I've seen so many women with such similar stories.... (Dont want to out myself but work psychologically with people.)

LetThereBeCupcakes · 09/11/2015 20:50

I just want to thank you all - every one of you - for your comments. Even those that have felt I'm suffering from severe anxiety. I think it's very telling that this is now how I must seem to some people.

DH and I met at an amateur dramatic society. I was on stage, singing, acting and dancing in front of 500 odd people. Not the sort of thing an excessively anxious person would do, I'd imagine. That was how I was back then, confident, free and oh so happy. These days I can barely think for myself. It's not the way I want to be.

He went to bed at 8pm, told me not to wash up he'd do it in the morning. I know he won't (or he'll do some of it then leave the rest), I'll get home from work, tired, with a cranky toddler in tow, and quietly seethe that it still hadn't been done. But I wouldn't say anything, because that would annoy him. Tonight, I have done the washing up. Tomorrow he will come downstairs and be pissed off with me for doing the washing up in my own home. And I will not give a damn, because I will come downstairs and have a tidy kitchen. I'll still be wrong, of course, but at least the kitchen is untidy. Mess brings me down. He knows this, yet still actively contributes to the mess.

Off to have a look at those books now. Thank you all. Flowers

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Only1scoop · 09/11/2015 20:59

Just re read thread Op. You have my sympathy. My Dp can never ever be wrong never laughs at his mistakes. Drives me potty.

I actually, like you could just list a huge long pile of situations. It's when you are on the ceiling with it all already, what can seem so small is actually close to that last bloody straw etc.

I'm going to be doing some reading too.

Sorry to hear about dog Op Thanks

SoMuchToBits · 09/11/2015 21:39

Awful how one person can have such a negative effect on your whole life. But it's the way they just chip away at your self confidence. This thread is really reminding me of the freedom I now have in my new life.

Sometimes I feel bit lonely, and often still lack confidence. But hey, it's my house, I don't have to face the Spanish Inquisition about everything I want to do now. Smile

CharlotteCollins · 09/11/2015 21:41

Sounds infuriating, OP. I, too, don't believe you are disproportionately anxious, but I'm guessing there's somebody near you who is quite happy for you to feel like that.

Do you ever feel like he thinks he's better than you?

IonaNE · 09/11/2015 22:08

Sorry OP, I think YABU. The fact that he was able to move the caravan on his own with no disaster happening to the neighbour's car shows that your premonitions re. this with the two of you moving it were pretty much unfounded. He got tired of your attitude and decided to do it on his own. I can't see why you think you are owed an apology.

Joysmum · 09/11/2015 22:38

I totally understand where your coming from OP.

I'm a planner and like to consider the best option and have back up plans. DH is impulsive and just gets on with it and would rather deal with problems as they arise. This makes him great in a crisis, my planning means we don't have crisis at home.

So I can understand you just needed to know that the brake on the tow hitch is easily applied to stop the van and he just needed you for steering.

Given that you've mentioned the debt due to him giving up work, it's clear you don't trust him or his planning and I think that if that's what I'm getting from your posts then he'll certainly know it and see this as further proof you don't trust his judgement.

The only way I can see going forwards is him being able to express his methods and back up plans and you trusting him (or at least appearing to) on things that aren't big things. Both need to make the effort to regain mutual respect and trust.

The caravan incident to me seems to be the latest in a pattern of mistrust and hurt.

LetThereBeCupcakes · 10/11/2015 07:21

The fact that he was able to move the caravan on his own with no disaster happening to the neighbour's car shows that your premonitions re. this with the two of you moving it were pretty much unfounded.

Not necessarily, Iona. Yes, possibly they were. Impossible to tell since he wouldn't take the time to explain what he wanted me to do, or how.

However, it's just as likely that he was lucky. Just because a risk doesn't impact, it does not mean it was never a risk in the first place. If a person drives whilst talking on the phone, but doesn't cause an accident - does that mean it's perfectly safe to talk on the phone whilst driving? No. It means they were lucky this time. (And yes - DH does this too). If a person takes Ecstasy and doesn't have bad side effects, does that mean it wasn't a risk to take it in the first places? Of course not. They were lucky. (DH doesn't do this Grin)

SoMuch I'm so glad you are free of this, and able to enjoy your life. You totally deserve it.

Joy that's another good point - if he'd shown me how to apply the handbrake if I needed to, I would have been quite happy to give it a go.

Both need to make the effort to regain mutual respect and trust. This is the tricky bit. I would like to. For all his faults, he can be a really lovely man. He's the father of my child and we've made some wonderful memories together. If he would just talk to me I'm sure we could make some headway but he just will not communicate. It's so frustrating.

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LetThereBeCupcakes · 10/11/2015 07:29

Charlotte that's a really interesting question and out of the context of this thread, I would have said no, of course not. However, sometimes I think he feels threatened by me. I have a university degree - he didn't get any GCSEs (he has really bad dyslexia and got no help at school). He doesn't have much confidence in himself. For example, he often says he's "rubbish at maths". Yet he can work out volumes / areas / angles etc in his head without even thinking about it, really - and does so every day (he's a tradesman) and when I point out that I could never do what he does, he just mumbles and walks off. He tends to lash out at me if I can do something better than him - or sometimes go completely the other way and refuse to engage.

The silly thing is, he earns more than me (based on hourly rate) and I've pointed out so many times that having a degree is all well and good, except I did mine in a completley impractical subject which has not helped my career at all. His qualifications are practical, useful, and in short supply.

I'm not sure I've worded that very well, actually. In short, I think he envies the education I was lucky enough to have, but I think his practical skills are far more useful.

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Joysmum · 10/11/2015 07:41

The more you right, the more I think he's not secure in your love and respect for him. Of course that doesn't make his responses right but it could explain a lot. It sounds like he feel in competition with you or like he has to somehow feel secure in your love and admiration of him. That's got to be hard to live with.

I could be way wide of the mark here but thought it worth raising.

LetThereBeCupcakes · 10/11/2015 08:44

It's all worth mentioning, Joy.

Not sure what to do with it, though! Need to have a think.

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stinanordenstram · 10/11/2015 09:10

I know this isn't an AIBU any more - but YABU anyway Flowers

You sound a bit like me - I'm a planner and like to know how things are going to unfold - I like to consider possible scenarios, especially with practical stuff (which I'm not confident about)

I don't think I have anxiety. I'm just cautious, a bit risk averse. I've done psychometric testing at work to help me understand how I contribute to teams. And it's really helped me in other parts of my life too

Anyway - your DH sounds very insecure, based on what you say about his relationship with his parents and his education. I wonder if he was ever good enough for his parents growing up? Is he still trying to live up to their expectations/ disappointment in him?

Even if he is, it is not your problem to solve. You shouldn't spend your life as his scapegoat for his own issues.

So sorry about your dog. That's really tough Sad

SoMuchToBits · 10/11/2015 10:20

Do you he realises what an effect he is having on you, Cupcakes? If not, it might be worth sitting down with him and having a chat, maybe consider counselling. But if he refuses to talk about it and thinks you are the one with the problem, then I think things are unlikely to change.

stinanordenstram · 10/11/2015 10:24

Of course I meant YANBU

argh

Sorry cupcakes

LetThereBeCupcakes · 10/11/2015 10:27

stina that's really interesting - what sort of testing did you do? I'd like to do that.

SoMuch no I don't think he does. Or at least would never admit it (to himself or anybody else). He just refuses to talk about anything serious, though. Drives me up the wall. He can make small talk for hours but as soon as you want to have a proper, meaningful conversation he completely shuts down and refuses to speak. He's one step away from sticking his fingers in his ears and singing "LALALALALA!!!!" at the top of his voice. I did suggest that he write things down, if that was easier, but he said he doesn't like writing.

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LetThereBeCupcakes · 10/11/2015 10:28

No worries, Stina, I figured that's what you meant! Wink

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stinanordenstram · 10/11/2015 11:25

I did the Myers Briggs personality test - also called MBTI

Also Belbin team roles.

You can probably Google and find free versions of these to complete. Both were an eye opener for me although there are probably more up to date versions now.

Apparently my team role is 'monitor/evaluator' so I tend to like checking things are on track, looking at all available options etc. I think I am maddening to work with for the more impulsive colleagues. But equally they drive me nuts too. I understand all the reactions/interactions much better now

But but - if your DH does not want to talk to you at all I can't see how this can get better. If he won't try to see how you look at the world etc.

LetThereBeCupcakes · 10/11/2015 11:34

We did the Myer's Briggs one YEARS ago - long before I met DH, and came back as INFJ. Will have to re-read and see if it still rings true.

I've done Belbin Roles recently (am a project manager) but never done it on myself! Will have a go - thanks!

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stinanordenstram · 10/11/2015 11:35

I'm INFJ too.

LetThereBeCupcakes · 10/11/2015 11:44
Grin
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CharlotteCollins · 10/11/2015 22:00

I don't think he sounds insecure so much as self-absorbed. He doesn't seem to give you anything like the level of thought and consideration you give him.

LetThereBeCupcakes · 11/11/2015 09:16

Charlotte that’s how it feels to me – although I’m probably biased! It’s little things. Like he’s never given me a birthday card. Makes himself a drink but never offers me one (I always offer him one if I’m having one). Rarely big things but all of these little things that me me wonder if he cares at all.

Funnily enough, I was chatting to my Dad yesterday. He asked me if DH was OK – apparently he’d been quite “snippy” early on Sunday (before Caravan-Gate). I hadn’t picked up on it as he was out all morning and by the time he came back I was holed up in the kitchen cooking dinner. So there was something going on before we even spoke.

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