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The sheer tedium of being in a sexless marriage

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nosexisnofun · 02/11/2015 15:00

By sexless I mean we might sleep together once roughly every 6 weeks, normally initiated by me. H shows me little affection and rarely puts his arms around me in bed - he is all elbows while I have my arm around him. Except why should I carry on being the one to extend a hand to him which he will only occasionally squeeze or hold?

He is older than me and very tired through work but it has been like this for a long time. Do I have to accept that my "physical love life" is more or less over at 46 Sad?

Leaving over this would be worse as we have dc, but honestly the sheer tedium of never flirting with anybody as am probably viewed as "too old" when out and about, is getting to me. I feel asexual! Help!

Anyway just wondering if anyone relates.

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nosexisnofun · 03/11/2015 19:59

I think now if it's going to die of neglect so be it.

That's how I feel too secondtime.

He is 13 years older than me so 59 Seeyou. Maybe as far as he is concerned his sex life is over and he is just not bothered. He is winding down as it were.

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Seeyounearertime · 03/11/2015 20:08

I think his age probably isn't helping much but I don't know him obviously.
Some 59yo guys are for and physical etc and others are about knackered.
Not that it makes any odds really, if you're not happy OP then things need to change.

nosexisnofun · 04/11/2015 14:58

Yes my dh is definitely knackered by work and by one physical ailment which he is meant to be sorting out and never does.

Still he could still be physically affectionate which he isn't. He seems to have no need of anything from me but is always wanting cuddles from the dc Confused.

I need to lose some weight and smarten myself up a bit which I want to do for me but I don't think it will make any difference to him.

Do others who are around 59 or have partners that age, think that your libido just goes then?

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mum2mum99 · 04/11/2015 15:34

We are sexual beings. I love to say 'animals' in front of my mum. It does piss her off. Living without can be a temporary option, but not sure a long term one. You could discuss open marriage, but if he is not even affectionate, not sure what the point would be tbh.

mdocman1969 · 04/11/2015 16:05

I can empathise OP. I am male, mid 40s and in the same boat with my DW. Shows no affection, and sex has dwindled to occasional ro-ro ("roll - on - roll off"). I try not to bother her but the hormones get the better of me and I then have to ask - she makes it very clear (in her body language) that she is not into it and just wants it over with ASAP. It is humiliating, and I am now wondering whether I should bother at all. We have talked, and argued, at length about it and she apologises, but it never changes. I know she feels pressured so I lay off, but when I say nothing, nothing happens. I get quite sad when I see couples being affectionate - I don't expect a lot, just her extending her hand to me once in a while, kiss me passionately sometimes and actually want to make love. I am not perfect, but I've always adored her, am a patient and attentive lover and a good father. I'm beginning to feel like I should search elsewhere - I'm not 60, but that's how this makes me feel! Frustrating

nosexisnofun · 04/11/2015 23:19

Hi mum2mum and mdoc (I was also born in 1969 Smile)

I suppose there are lots of couples in this situation which at least makes me feel like less of a misfit. I feel sad when I see couples being affectionate as well.

I suppose I could tell dh that I want an "open marriage" (do we even have any kind of marriage Confused) but I think asking would upset our precariously balanced situation, and I would also be intensely jealous if he were to find someone else. I would also feel seedy and a bit eeuw about being intimate with other people and who are these other people, I can't see it happening.

So I don't know what the answer is, I only know that the prospect of feeling so unloved for another chunk of I don't know how many years, is depressing!

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FreakinScaryCaaw · 04/11/2015 23:31

I was in a sexless marriage but exdh had never been that interested. We've been split around 10 years and he's never met anyone. We're still friends though.
I did the whole blaming myself, did I look like crap and so on.

In the end I had to leave. It was after being chatted up by a gorgeous man on a trip away with a friend. He was so hot. My friend really fancied him which was awkward. Anyway, I got chatting to him and I told him about my marriage and he was so shocked. Told me I had to get out of it. I knew I'd never see him again so it was good to have someone to tell. My gp was the next person I told.

I'm not saying this is the only option for you. Perhaps you can save your marriage? Seems like it's mostly you, if not all, who's trying though?

I left when my dcs were still at primary. They still saw and see their dad a lot so are close to both of us.

I'm now remarried and we're matched. Dcs love my now dh.

Do you find it's not just the lack of sex but the lack of intimacy in general that's so bad?

Banquo54 · 05/11/2015 00:12

This subject comes up again and again and it seems that, in many cases, there doesn't seem to be a solution within the relationship. It's interesting that it's not always the stereotypical situation of the male wanting more sex than the female, although medical websites usually say that it's more often the male who is in this situation.

From a number of posts in this thread I wonder why some couples got together in the first place, as there has often been a difference in the need for sex from the beginning. Why marry or live with someone who you know to have a significantly different sex drive? Did the one with the higher drive hope that their partner's drive would increase eventually or did that initially think that the difference wasn't a deal breaker, only to find that the relationship became intolerable later?

In my case, my wife and I had a great sex life before we married, and a good one for several years afterwards. But even before we had children, problems were developing. My drive hadn't changed and I would have liked sex most days of the week, but my wife was less enthusiastic and it dwindled to once or twice a month, usually just as her period was finishing, and only increased when her objective was to become pregnant.

After our children were born, it got worse, even taking into account the understandable pressures of bringing them up. My wife began to reject all of my advances and I think she began to dread 'the hand' (as it has been described on other threads), when I'd cuddle up in bed, presumably because she felt that I was pressuring her for sex, whether that was what I was hoping for or not.

I did try to discuss this with her on several occasions, but she seemed unable to explain why she had lost interest, maybe because she didn't understand it herself. But it seemed that she didn't want to want sex or intimacy, and I didn't want to distress her, so eventually I stopped trying to fix what appeared to be an insoluble problem.

I'm 61 but still have a need for sex. We haven't had sex for around 15 years and it still upsets and frustrates me. I resorted to masturbation for sexual relief, but would never consider an affair, or open marriage, or a FWB, as I'm sure our marriage couldn't survive that.

mdocman1969 · 05/11/2015 00:38

Crikey Banquo54, your experience is the same as mine / definitely it's hard to accept as my wife was once very tactile, loving and our sex life was great. Even after kids it got back on track - there was a time between 38 and 40 when she was very sexual, but then it just stopped - with no explanation. I have tried talking to her - but she refuses to address it. So we carry on in the same old cycle - nothing happens for weeks, then I get frustrated, we argue, have a quickie and then nothing again. I often read the posts here from women who have lost their sex drive to figure out if I'm doing something wrong
But I keep in decent shape, do my fair share of housework, cooking, most of the child care, and pay all the bills. I also have booked surprise weekends away, nice meals etc, given her lots of time on her own to relax etc. But she just seems to be so uninterested.
I do love her very much, but I'made to feel like a sex maniac. I'd settle for once a week or less - a bit of kissing and some foreplay - half an hour a week. Is this unreasonable?

for me it is definitely the intimacy I miss so I wouldn't be into escorts or one night stands. But I think if someone cry along now who expressed a genuine interest in me romantically, I'd find it hard to resist

nosexisnofun · 05/11/2015 16:50

The hardest part is that IMO we kind of grow up thinking that being an adult will mean on tap access to romance etc... Then it turns out it's a long hard slog with no lust / affection for years (though yes a kind of friend) in order to provide the dc with a stable home and full time access to both their parents.

Seeing other people behave like couples is like looking at an impossible to reach thing through a shop window. Would just like to relax and have a nice time instead of everything being so dull.

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ofelialuz · 05/11/2015 17:37

OK, a few notes from the other side here. I ended up at the doctor, trying to find a cause for my total loss of libido. I missed sex. I love my husband. I wanted my sex life and my sexuality back. I felt like a large piece of me had gotten lost, somewhere after two kids and years of dull housewifing.

We looked at physical issues - birth problems, damage, stitch scars? We explored the possibility of corrective surgery (didn't qualify), hormonal imbalance (all was fine) and changing contraceptive methods. I've been pin-pricked, endured a number of humiliating internal examinations and spent the best part of a year regularly sitting with a bloke (always a bloke!) in a room, talking about sex. I'll probably have to go back soon, having had to come off the pill (made me suicidal) and try something else.

My husband is hurt and expresses all the things said above - isn't ready to put sex aside, needs it, feels rejected and so on, but I feel there is absolutely no sympathy for me. I am a cliché, the sexless wife, the rejector, the baddie. It has now become a vicious circle. His subtle threats to leave and my knowledge I am 'in the wrong' mean having to endure sex I am frankly not consenting to, which is giving me anxiety attacks and night terrors. My hair is falling out. My hands shake. I stammer when I speak to him.

Now these days I know why I'm not 'up for it'. Who knows what the initial problem was - it's been eclipsed by trying to find a cure. It's destroying me.

I do feel a mismatch is sad. I do feel that effort should be made, especially if the lower-drive one wants to fix it and seeks help. But do spare a thought for those of us grieving for a part of us we have lost. I would do anything to be 'normal' again. To have fun sex, like I used to, rather than gritting my teeth and crying in the dark. The loss of my libido has ruined my life and made my existence a life sentence.

AnyFucker · 05/11/2015 17:42

ofelia, you can stop now

seriously

I hate your husband for putting you through that. No relationship is worth the pressure you are putting yourself under.

nosexisnofun · 05/11/2015 17:54

No it sounds awful ofelia Sad. Does your husband understand what you are going through?

Feel obliged to add that I really don't pressure my husband. I have mentioned it yes but that's kind of it - a lot of what I have written here just goes round and round my head. Additionally he hasn't talked to me about it at all other than squirming and saying "everything is ok", so all I know is that I live with someone who is completely detached from me. If I had more of an idea "why" I could decide how to proceed. I am guessing he is never going to say that he has completely lost interest so I kind of live in futile hope.

I would really hate to think that my husband was sleeping with me without wanting to Shock but since it happens so rarely I am guessing it's not the case.

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HelenaDove · 05/11/2015 17:55

And going by threads ive seen on here both recently and in the past there is no way a man with a low libido would put himself through all that ofelia is doing.

Ofelia Thanks

tiredmedic · 05/11/2015 20:55

Ofelia, I feel for you. I simply couldn't countenance behaving in such a way towards my wife, it is totally alien to me. Having said that, one day a few years ago we had an argument, quite a serious one and in the heat of the moment I said "do you think that no sex AND refusing to even talk about it or seek help or advice is acceptable, because I don't". I have spent the past few years trying to make up for that outburst and now at least we are close with kisses and some hugs......but no more than that. I suppose I have become resigned to the fact that my sex life is over, but because I fear being alone in late life and most of the time we get along quite well, I accept the situation because to me, loneliness would be unbearable. I avoid confrontation at almost any cost and, to be truthfull, I am sometimes afraid of my wife, not often, but the thought that I might drive her to seeking separation fills me with dread. Now I am aware, having read many stories here that I am relatively lucky and shouldn't complain compared to some poor souls here......but I DO miss intimacy and the bond that lovemaking brings and strengthens.
Tin hat and flak jacket on, ducking behind sofa.

mdocman1969 · 05/11/2015 21:30

Ofelia, I feel for you too - I wouldn't dream of putting , my wife through that either. At least you have acknowledged the issue and have tried to do something about it, but I don't think you should have put yourself through such an ordeal. Can I ask do you still fancy your husband, and do you tell him so?

My issue is more similar to nonsexisnofun and tiredmedic's. My wife shows no interest in affection. There is nothing physically wrong with her, I think that she has just decided that she doesn't need it in her life anymore.

AnyFucker · 05/11/2015 22:24

ofelia, please listen to these men that, despite wanting lots more sex than they get, would not dream of treating their wife like he treats you

he knows he is basically having sex on you when you don't want it

what kind of person gets anything out of that ? Confused

does he know you grit your teeth and cry in the dark ? does he care ?

HelenaDove · 05/11/2015 22:33

AF is right. Not all men in this situation behave like your husband.

Banquo54 · 05/11/2015 23:39

It has taken me a long time to accept our situation. At various times I have wondered whether my wife simply didn't love me any more, or whether my behaviour earlier in our relationship somehow caused damage between us that could never be repaired. I wondered if perhaps I hadn't been a good enough husband, but was at a loss to know what I could have done differently.

There was a time when she asked me for a divorce and I begged her not to go ahead, as well as asking her why she wanted it, and again, she was unable to give a specific reason, other than that our relationship was not working. This was when our children were pre-school, and I could only see a bleak future for us all if we had parted. Over time, our relationship improved, and she didn't raise the subject of divorce again, but I always felt a sense of unease, that perhaps she would.

I'd dearly like to know what went wrong, but I don't think there was one thing, though I'm sure that my desire for sex and her loss of libido was a major factor for some time. It distresses me now to think that she dreaded the touch of my hand or any other physical approach, fearing that it was a sexual overture, such that she couldn't respond without worrying that I'd try to pressure her for sex. If I have learned one thing from visiting sites like this, it's that our situation is not unusual and that the loss of libido by either partner is quite common, but the reasons are often unclear and can be very complex.

I heard a radio broadcast recently, about the condition some women supposedly suffer, known as hypoactive sexual desire disorder, a condition characterised by chronic loss of libido. There was discussion about licensing the 'pink pill' aka viagra for women, but the conclusion was that even if it wa effective (which was in doubt) a pill would not solve the problem of lack of desire, just as viagra would not increase a man's libido, but only deal with the physical problem of erectile disfunction.

I am coming to the conclusion that a loss of libido is something that just happens to some people, either suddenly, as with some women after the birth of a child, for example, or gradually over time, with no obvious single trigger. After all, we lose interest in other things over time, so why should this not be the case with sex? The real problem with this is that it causes such a rift between partners when their drives become mismatched.

I certainly felt resentful that one of the great joys in my life had been taken away, with no obvious reason, and frustrated that this problem would probably never be solved. But I no longer feel resentful towards my wife, as I now don't think that this was her choice, but just something that happened to her. While, on the one hand, I feel trapped in a situation that has no solution, I have accepted that it's one factor in an otherwise good relationship that I am not prepared to abandon.

HelenaDove · 06/11/2015 00:31

," although medical websites usually say that it's more often the male who is in this situation"

It could be because a lot of women wont admit they are in this situation where its their husband who doesnt want sex anymore because there is a habit of blaming it on women. There is more pressure on women appearance wise. ( i was certainly treated differently when i was a size 28 as opposed to now at a 14) so its assumed as unfortunately we do live in a misogynistic society that its the womens fault for "letting themselves go" if a man doesnt want them anymore.

HelenaDove · 06/11/2015 00:32

I meant i was treated differently while out and about.

Banquo54 · 06/11/2015 00:58

I think you are right about the pressure on women re. their appearance, but I imagine there are plenty of women who would say their husbands have let themselves go as well, even though society unfortunately judges women more on their appearance than it does men.

HelenaDove · 06/11/2015 01:04

YY Banquo

I prefer a man to look a bit "lived in" like he has fun. But everybody is different i guess.

DadWasHere · 06/11/2015 01:35

It could be because a lot of women wont admit they are in this situation where its their husband who doesnt want sex anymore because there is a habit of blaming it on women.

Made worse by society regurgitating that men are always up for sex and a man with a lower than sky high libido is less of a man.

HelenaDove · 06/11/2015 01:37

YY Dad They are very harmful sexist stereotypes.

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