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Half my Life - very long, sorry in advance

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WitchWay · 23/10/2015 15:46

I posted a couple of times a few months ago about my marriage & as usual just hid it all under the carpet after good advice here. This year I turned 50 & also had my 25th wedding anniversary, which has really struck home. Half my life - I'm certain I cannot tolerate another 25 years with my husband.

When I look at it all logically & "from the outside" I know exactly what I would be advising someone else (my job includes marriage guidance at times!), but I just don't seem to have been able to get myself out. Pathetic, I know.

He is abusive - there has been violence in the past, stamping on me on occasion while I lay in bed, kicking me in the shins, twisting my ankle, but that stopped years ago, after an ultimatum. He did shove me into a bush on holiday this summer though while pissed & arguing. The usual "you made me so angry" - I do tend to push my luck & not back down.

He has broken things of mine in a temper, including my spectacles, over the years, recently shredded some school work of DS's as he didn't feel "included" - DS had been trying to get him to proofread it for days - in the end I did it as it had to be handed in & he felt this was undermining him - not the only copy thank goodness. Loads of arguments as I just can't hold my tongue when he's being an arse.

Lots of messing with my head, refusing to remember stuff that has definitely happened, refusing to believe things, twisting my words, getting angry over trivia then calming down suddenly as if nothing has happened, accusing me of lying & then the typical "you really are insane".

Boastful & bigoted about all sorts - he's one of the best drivers in the world, apparently - belittling of women "that bitch doesn't know what she's talking about", awful about immigrants, fat people, the poor etc. If I pull him up on anything he says "Weeeelllll" in a snidey voice. Aggressive driver & trying to make newly-qualified DS drive in a similar way - he refuses.

Blaming me for turning our son (nearly 18) against him "he's just like you - I wish I'd had all that time with him on the school runs when he was little". At the time he refused to regularly participate in school runs as he didn't want to be involved in the lift share I had going "I don't want other people's children kicking the car seats". Completely refutes this now though & says it was me that said that. DS is more like me because he simply is more like me & my side of the family in looks & personality, although he also resembles SIL's children. "I don't think he's mine". He is, guaranteed - let's have tests done - no.

Worrying me over the finances - we have a huge mortgage which eventually will be payed off but he is keen to borrow more to finance a house for DS once at Uni. I'd prefer to sell the small holiday cottage we have - he thinks this is ridiculous. Gets angry when I suggest selling a couple of his sports cars could pay off some of the mortgage, surely one fancy car is enough?

Hoarding - literally 30 years' worth of car magazines plus others relating to present & past hobbies in huge piles all over the place. Heaps of unopened Christmas presents (unwrapped but still in boxes), every greetings card he's ever received, unwanted clothes bulging from his wardrobe (he did chuck out six shirts & 3 pairs of trousers the other week as he'd run out of space - I had them in the charity shop in a trice!). Unopened post going back years. Most rooms in the house too full of clutter to be used for their intended purpose so he does paperwork (occasionally when he absolutely has to) on the kitchen able & gets cross if I'm trying to cook the dinner. Says he hates the mess too & yes we need to tidy the house but refuses to allow me to tackle it alone & won't do anything about it himself.

Empty promises about tackling the mess, the fact he would also like to have people round for dinner & to stay but we can't till the house is tidy (a very small select group is allowed, DS invites no-one at all as he is ashamed), of course I can have my own office (I've been waiting six years since going freelance). Says "If I tidied up you'd just moan about something else".

Jealousy - we did both have affairs some 14-15yrs ago during a particularly unpleasant phase, all dealt with, still drags it all up occasionally & very suspicious of my attending a local choir for the last couple of years, sure I'm carrying on with someone there. I say "come and see the geriatrics and the mostly women, if you're so bothered". He doesn't of course. Convinced I'm going to up & leave him once DS leaves home - "you women are all the same, never satisfied" - a couple of friends have recently left their husbands after long marriages.

Does virtually nothing around the house, although did actually make me a cup of coffee yesterday morning - first one this year & most likely the last - I have had a few cups of tea made fairly recently though - approximately three while on holiday. If I'm away he just doesn't bother to make himself a hot drink at all! "If you ever died or left me I'd just get a housekeeper".

Dominates the lounge/television/lighting - really annoyed if I want a bit of light on because I'm crocheting - only the side lights mind - "hurts his eyes, can't see the screen" - suggests I go & sit in the bedroom instead - I refuse as I don't see why I ought to behave like some blooming student! Choice of programme is invariably his - fortunately I like some of it, but not the bloody car stuff. The house is "his" of course as I work part time & earn much less, although we're both on the mortgage - doesn't appreciate any input that isn't financial but then mutters about colleagues' wives being much worse as most don't work at all outside the home.

Lots of low-grade control stuff going on like being habitually late for meals (although this has improved a lot lately, since I just started dishing up without him), not "allowing" me to start the dishwasher if he's still in the room as he hates the noise, but he "forgets" to put it on if I ask him to, sending me out of the kitchen if he's on the phone even if I'm in the middle of something - life would be much easier if he had an office he could actually USE - sigh!

Reading all of the above seems surreal, crazy that it has gone on so long, makes me think I ought to have left years ago. We do still have fun & get on really well at times, usually on holiday & after a few drinks. Not real life though, is it? Part of me thinks I've missed the chance now after all those years - I feel an idiot.

I'm really worried about how to disentangle everything. I could afford to rent somewhere while the financial stuff got sorted I suppose. I just know he will make things really difficult if I announce I'm leaving. he won't open post, won't sign documents, could very well damage things of mine, shred paperwork & cause a real nuisance. All of these things can be overcome, of course - I'm just scared.

Worried too about the fallout for DS - he's a big boy now though, thinks his father is unreasonable "he's the most selfish person I know", hates the arguments & refuses to be downtrodden by him. He also thinks I'm unreasonable because I nag about stuff - stuff that drives me nuts admittedly - agrees I need to stand up for myself more. He tries to hold his own at the dinner table but we both just get "you're WRONG, that's RUBBISH, I'm not discussing this any more - the conversation is OVER".

I don't need telling that it's awful or abusive, I just need to find the strength to make the move. I've been looking for places to rent & even looking up solicitors, which has really given me a lift. Nothing will happen till DS moves out, but I feel lighter just contemplating it as a reality.

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RandomMess · 04/11/2015 20:11

Glad to read that you are working through the freedom programme and you are getting your ducks in a row ready for departure.

KOKO Flowers

goddessofsmallthings · 05/11/2015 01:53

I find it deeply depressing that you have used your ds as a confidante in this matter as it's singularly inappropriate to place such a heavy burden on his young shoulders.

I'm also curious as to why you appear to believe that moving out would be in any way calling your h's bluff?

It seems that you have not taken into account the fact that you would be under no obligation to give your h your new address and, regardless of how stubborn, awkward,and vindictive he was, there would be no disruption to your ds's studies as it would be entirely up to him as to whether he wanted to have contact with his father,

'The Dominator' does indeed sound like a bad film, but it's one that's being played out in many homes like yours every day of the week and it seems that you've signed yourself and ds up for front row seats for the duration next year, or do you still intend to keep your appointment with the solicitor on Tuesday?

Sansoora · 05/11/2015 02:16

Witchway - in December I will have been married for 40 years but the reality is that Ive been separate for the last 2.5 years. It was very hard to do but after years of nonsense I knew I'd lived most of my life and what was left of it had to be better than the past. That I had to make new memories. Its not been easy, in fact it's been really hard and there's times when I've been so down about it all that I just wanted to go to sleep and not wake up. But I persevered and just this last week I said to my brother - Im a work in progress and Im really happy with the person 'I almost am'. Im also at peace with my life and Im enjoying not seeing the day through the eyes of a the woman who lived the life she did in her marriage. It clouded everything. Every. Bloody. Thing.

My adult children are so proud of me, as your son will be, because we were at the stage where they said 'we cannot take this anymore so please either learn to live with this situation and don't let it dominate every wakening moment of our lives, or take our help and do what you have to do because thats the only way we can help you now' We can help you make a new life for yourself but we can no longer help you to stay in this one they way you do.

So I made my decision and last month when we were all together and I said to my children after a bit of a laugh at the table, lets have a group hug, it was exactly the right thing to be doing because we are all very okay. Smile

You will be also.

xxxx

Phoenix69 · 05/11/2015 06:23

Don't think of yourself as weak for not having acted sooner, weakness is not acting now. Not next week. Now. If I was you I would want my life back. Now.

Good you are seeing a solicitor. They will explain the process. What he does when you divorce is up to him. If he sits and festers with magazines and booze, then it is for him to deal with. Don't let your concerns for his ability to manage stop you from pursuing your life.

Stay strong

Scoobydoo8 · 05/11/2015 06:46

I feel uncomfortable with the idea that everything revolved around DS goin to uni, I'm not sure if it still does - what if DS finds he has chosen the wrong course and needs a home? will he stay away in vacations as the arrangement depended on him not being around? If your DH is very cruel to you will DS feel obliged to treat him badly too.

I think basically this is your marriage between DH and you, don't put any expectations on DS, just keep DS informed (not the details) of where you are going and that there is a bed there if he wants it.
I suppose DS is technically an adult but an adult with troubled parents and you don't want his choices to be because it was best for mum or made dad less cross. He should be free from responsibilities for this and making free choices.

Bottom line, imv, is separate as soon as poss so DS can adjust to new setup.

cailindana · 05/11/2015 06:48

I agree with goddess. My ineffectual mother also used to use me as an excuse not to make her own decisions. I barely speak to her any more. By not changing things you are collaborating with your husband in ensuring your son's life remains shit.

cailindana · 05/11/2015 06:51

My mother is still with my father by the way, refusing to retire as she can't bear the thought of being at home with him all day. As far as I'm concerned she can rot in that bloody job. I have nio time for people who whinge and complain but who won't do anything to change the situation.

WitchWay · 05/11/2015 07:15

goddess & cailindana - please - I'm doing what I can, as & when I can - I am not using my son as a confidante - I have friends for that - he doesn't know the nasty details, other than the bits he has witnessed directly. He does deserve to know some of what is happening. If he doesn't get to uni for whatever reason that will not be a reason for me to stay - wherever I go will have space to welcome him as often & for as long as he wants. You seem to think I'm still making excuses - I'm really not & will back down again - god knows I've played it out in my head hundreds of times over the years & then wimped out - I won't this time

I am going to the solicitor on Tuesday, for certain.

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WitchWay · 05/11/2015 07:16

oops - will not back down again Blush

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WitchWay · 05/11/2015 07:18

Sansoora Flowers for you Smile

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cailindana · 05/11/2015 07:26

'He doesn't know the nasty details, other than the bits he's witnessed directly.' Well that's reassuring.

WitchWay · 05/11/2015 08:41

Yeah, I know Sad

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Goingtobeawesome · 05/11/2015 10:27

By waiting until your son leaves for university you run the risk of him blaming himself for you staying. That would be really unfair.

cailindana · 05/11/2015 10:53

Also you say 'I'm not using my son as a confidante' and I think you're right. You're using him as an excuse. You're hiding behind a 17 year old boy who still depends on you.

WitchWay · 05/11/2015 10:58

I can only do what I can do. I am using him as an excuse, but I really don't feel I can do otherwise at the moment. It has taken a very long time to actually start to put wheels in motion. Please don't nag me Sad

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cailindana · 05/11/2015 11:08

It's your life and it's up to you how you live it. My point was there's nothing to be gained from fooling yourself that you're making a sensible decision. You're not. It's all you feel capable of at the moment, I get that. My concern is that you'll end up like my mother and so many other women - stuck in a prison of your own making while your child walks off in total exasperation.

Alfieisnoisy · 05/11/2015 11:20

Bless you, you've coped with so much and so has your DS.

So hope it goes well with the solicitor in Tuesday. Stay strong for you and your DS.

TheWrathofNaan · 05/11/2015 11:29

Cailindana "I have nio time for people who whinge and complain but who won't do anything to change the situation" and "stuck in a prison of your own making".

I think your comments are disgusting! Have you had an empathy bypass? I have been in a similar situation as the OP but my children do not treat me or speak to me the way you do about your mother! How about some understanding??

Sansoora · 05/11/2015 11:35

I can only do what I can do. I am using him as an excuse, but I really don't feel I can do otherwise at the moment. It has taken a very long time to actually start to put wheels in motion. Please don't nag me

I get you. I really do.

Please just ignore the posters who are having a pop dressed up as concern and advice because of their life experiences and just concentrate on taking your next step. I also had all sorts of reasons for not doing what I had to do, all based on my very genuine fears that turned out to be unfounded. I understand what its like to be so afraid (even if you don't think you are) that you're scared you'll be responsible for the end of the world if you make your move. You wont be, and you really do need to show your son he can go away to Uk and not worry about you.

You're doing really well. Honestly.

xxxxx

cailindana · 05/11/2015 11:35

My mother could see with her own eyes I and my sisters were suffering and never did anything about it. What understanding should I have about that?

cailindana · 05/11/2015 11:37

I can see the OP is in a very very tough situation. And it's fine for her to say 'I can't manage to change things.' What gets my goat is her suggestion that she's not changing things because it somehow benefits her son when she knows full well that's just an excuse.

Sansoora · 05/11/2015 11:39

My mother could see with her own eyes I and my sisters were suffering and never did anything about it. What understanding should I have about that?

You need to take that up with your mother and not use Witchway as your whipping post. You could also try counselling as its obvious your still very hurt about whats going on and you're taking it out on others.

Please leave Witchway to people who can help her without kicking her when she's down.

cailindana · 05/11/2015 11:41

I will leave Witchway alone if she asks me to Sansoora. As it stands she has responded very honestly to my posts.

cailindana · 05/11/2015 11:43

I don't personally see any benefit in soft-soaping someone and letting them snuggle up to their excuses. I can't see how it benefits the OP or her son.

Sansoora · 05/11/2015 11:46

I will leave Witchway alone if she asks me to Sansoora. As it stands she has responded very honestly to my posts.

She asked not to be nagged.

And would anyone dare to not answer your replies the way you are going on?