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New job, same old H issues. Remind me to LTB!

115 replies

thatsnotmynamereally · 29/08/2015 08:55

Complicated (or possibly not!) situation with emotionally abusive, whining, generally pathetic H ...and I can't seem to see the forest for the trees right now. I've posted about him loads, he ticks so many 'abuser' boxes, looking back over how our relationship evolved there were red flags waving everywhere but I never thought it was his fault, only mine for not trying hard enough.

In a nutshell: I worked basically full time while the DCs were young, stopped at his suggestion when oldest started A levels (as he said it would be All My Fault if the DCs didn't do well, only one chance etc) which was fine as he was earning plenty of money. DCs have done great. But our relationship gradually deteriorated with me 'not working' (I had to be on call all the time to do things for him) and even though he would constantly berate me for NOT working, saying he didn't see what I did all day, insults like 'never done a days work' he was furious when I got a job without asking him 2 years ago when youngest started uni. He'd done his best to convince me I was unemployable, too old, wrong qualifications, etc, I got a job with no effort whatsoever. A lowly job, but interesting and in my field, all the same, and a great experience.

Sorry this isn't really a nutshell! We had a major incident just after I started working (will try to find the link to remind myself as I had a thread going at the time but in the end I brushed it under the carpet). H continued to belittle and make fun of my job, always said the name of where I was working with a sneer, assumed I could run errands for him while at work, called and texted constantly, often over 50 times times in a day. Work people were wonderful and tolerated my bad timekeeping (and often tears) but I always knew I would eventually have to move on to a new position one day as the work was short term contract. Basically, I kept everything together, afraid to topple what was/is a house of cards.

A month ago I realised my contract was coming to an end so put my cv in with an agency. I immediately got an interview and a job offer for a fantastic job. I accepted. I told H. Not a lot but I did tell him as a statement of fact that I'd done it. He NEVER asked any details and I never offered any. He acknowledged by text I'd got a job ('lets celebrate' when he wanted my to go to a function in town with him) so he can't say he didn't know. As expected, when he found out I am starting Tuesday he's alternatively furious and begging me not to take it. If you're wondering why I have stayed with him- he earns more money than I ever could. He just put the equivalent of a years wages for me into our joint account. And my work has never been stable, probably because of him for a large part.

He says he just doesn't see why I want to work, why I don't want to 'be a wife' to him...it's really pathetic, isn't it? Tbh we can certainly use the extra money I bring in, we have no pensions set up so need to focus on saving for the next 10 years (I am 50) and it's not time to start spending down our assets.

So...this morning I've had him on the phone begging me not to take the job. How pathetic is that. There's an additional complication in that we may be selling our house, he'd assumed that we'd move into our weekend place which would mean a hellish commute for me to new job, I'd assumed if the sale went through I'd rent. By myself. Now is the time to get out...right? I keep hesitating and I could totally screw things up if I get this wrong. For a lot of people. House people, job people (will be distraught if I don't turn up!), plus I've left other job now. I feel strangely calm but am worried he's going to turn psychopath if I don't pretend to be going along with him.

OP posts:
DarkNavyBlue · 02/09/2015 10:10

Have you told him you're leaving?

Am Shock at the idea of having a full bottle of wine the night before your second day at work - FFS woman what are you thinking?!!!

RandomSocks · 02/09/2015 10:43

Could you rent a small place within walking distance from your new workplace?

Elizabethreallyismissing · 02/09/2015 16:04

If your house is potentially going to be sold within 2 weeks you need to start looking for somewhere to rent pretty sharpish! Can you start looking at the weekend?
Would women's aid be any help in giving you the support you need to leave? You've obviously taken so many steps to get out, the solicitor, the storage unit, it's just the physically leaving you seem to struggling with. What about your daughter? Could she come & help you?

BoskyCat · 02/09/2015 16:17

Your kids are grown up, you have a house sale, you have a job. You can do this. Rent somewhere (it can be tiny, it can be a house share, it doesn't matter as you'll sort out something else longer-term), pack stuff that's important to you and get it into storage, and go. Then get divorce proceedings rolling with a lawyer. What's due to you from the house sale etc. (from the marriage in general) is yours by legal right and a lawyer will sort that for you, so no need to have any arguments with him.

All this man wants is to keep you down. He blames you if you have a job, he blames you if you don't have a job. You can't win with him, but having a job is a far better situation for you, so focus on making the best of it (avoid hangovers). You won't feel the need to neck wine when you know you're going to be free of this bloke.

If you do fear he could turn nasty, take precautions. Have your phone with you and ready to speed-dial police while you're moving out. Or get a big male friend, or pay a man with van, to help you so there is someone else there.

BoskyCat · 02/09/2015 16:24

I'm such an abuse-able person (mother issues and low self esteem, etc)

I know where you are coming from. But this is your life and you are not programmed by what has happened to you in the past – you are free to make decisions. As time goes on, it's possible to move further away from that past and to look after yourself more.

I always feel sad for H

Remember it's possible to feel sad for him – as he is a pathetic, insecure person – without it being your problem. Feeling sorry for someone doesn't automatically mean it's your job to make them feel better – least of all when they regularly hurt and upset you, without a thought.

goddessofsmallthings · 02/09/2015 21:01

How was your first day in your new job, OP?

thatsnotmynamereally · 02/09/2015 21:28

I'm really enjoying the job! I feel I've been fairly productive in my short time there, so far.

H has left...I asked him to via text today. I'm sure he intends to come back at some point, been texting me all day 'I love you' etc..wtf is he thinking?! So that is that, for now at least. Got some potential rents and purchases lined up. 2 weeks tomorrow to moving day.

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trackrBird · 02/09/2015 21:35

Good for you, thatsnot!
I hope your H stays away, and you get some peace tonight.

goddessofsmallthings · 02/09/2015 21:35

Has he gone to live/stay in the holiday home and has he been plaguing you with calls/texts at work?

CharlotteCollins · 02/09/2015 21:50

wtf is he thinking?

He's thinking: "Oh no, she's pushing me away again. Better reel her back in."

Maybe not consciously, but that's basically the sum of it.

ijustwannadance · 02/09/2015 22:11

If you just got a rental for 6 months it would give you the breathing space to settle into your new job/situation, sort out finances etc and give you the time to look at buying somewhere perfect rather than rushing to get anything.

RandomSocks · 03/09/2015 11:54

Great that you are enjoying your new job.

On the accommodation front,I would suggest renting somewhere on a temporary basis so that you can take your time to choose what you want before buying. Could a house share be an option for you? more flexible in terms of moving out once you sort out what you want to buy.

Twinklestein · 03/09/2015 12:17

Oh OP, you were so close divorce last time - what happened...?

I'm going to be completely honest, I don't think you're going to leave him now, and think you probably never will.

I've heard it all before - the divorce petition ready to go, the moving out...

But you're still just as tangled up in his wishes, desires, demands, thought processes, and without doing the work to detach yourself from that, you will never get free.

BoskyCat · 03/09/2015 13:08

Twinklestein that's not helpful.

OP needs to be reassured that she can do it and that no matter how long it takes or how hard it is, other women understand and support her.

It's well known that it can be extremely hard and take several attempts to leave abusive relationships.

Twinklestein · 03/09/2015 13:36

It's not for you to say what's helpful and what isn't. OP knows perfectly well that I understand and support her, I've spent a lot of time doing so on previous threads. Equally, I'm perfectly well aware how hard it is to leave abusive relationships, and what kind of mindset a person needs to get into in order to be able to leave.

Sometimes a bit of tough love is necessary. OP's going round in circles, wondering why she can't get free. If she wants to leave, certain things have to change. She needs to make a concerted effort to detach from her husband's views, reactions, what he wants for supper, what he thinks about her job, where he wants to live. Otherwise she's just going to remain trapped.

BoskyCat · 03/09/2015 14:31

OK you're right, it is not for me to say what's helpful, that's up to OP.

But you could equally argue it's not for you to say she will not leave him.

Twinklestein · 03/09/2015 16:26

I said 'don't think' she will. It's a warning not an oracle prediction.

If you've got exams coming up, but you're not doing the necessary to pass, a responsible teacher will say: on the present form, it's not going to happen, this is what you need to do.

All of the advice on this thread: divorce, lawyers, flat rentals, furniture storage, police 101, non-mol orders: OP has had all of this before, in great detail.

The problem for OP is not logistical. She has a solicitor, she has different property options. The real problem is cutting the ties with her husband, that's where she's stuck.

That's why I said she needs to work on detaching herself from her husband, because until she does that, nothing else can follow.

If you really want to help her, that's where the support needs to be focused.

thatsnotmynamereally · 03/09/2015 18:51

Twinkle I know what you're getting at and you're probably right. I just can't take the decisive action of serving papers (he tore up last ones). But in 2 weeks we wont have the house plus I really like my new job and I'm so pleased with the way it feels, to be working properly, feels like it has a purpose. I'm waiting for things to just fizzle out and that's stupid. I phtysucally attacked him the other night re 'dinnergate' but I've applied for 2 flat rentals.

Thanks so much bosky for vote of faith, I know I shouldn't post until ive I've taken real action. But it helps me to make a record of things even though it's a bit tedious.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 03/09/2015 18:59

Twinkle I probably should know but I don't know what work I should do to detach. I've spent loads on counselling. No major revelations, no specific advice (and many pounds down). I hope he's not around tonight, I don't know what I'll do Angry

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AnyFucker · 03/09/2015 19:40

I hope he's not around tonight, I don't know what I'll do

hasn't he left ?

This is how your thinking is skewed, love. Every thought you have, every move you make, every action you take always comes back to him What will he do, what will he say, what will he think

him him him

Twinkle is right. If you do not stop referencing your whole life against him you will never leave.

Start making your own choices, no matter the impact on him. Do you think he angsts endlessly over how his behaviour impacts you ?

thatsnotmynamereally · 03/09/2015 20:14

Yep. I know. All true. But I've not been idle, perhaps I only post here when I get to a crisis point...in the meantime I've 1) confirmed my professional status and rekindled my career which I may not have done if I hadn't realised his ulterior motives 2) made some really great, really supportive friends IRL, 3) realised he's doing everything on the abusers script...and now that I know, I seriously discount everything he says, all his opinions, and none of it gets to me. I don't doubt myself anymore. 4) sold (almost) the house that was a big bone of contention between us...he used to think I loved the house so would say he was going to sell it which stressed me just because I wanted to keep it together for the kids, now I don't give a flying fuck about owning a property and he does so he's the one who is stressed. I've told him I have no intention of buying another place with him, it's his problem if he never listened.

I just need a twist of fate (I've had a few recently re job and house?) to get me a place to live, and I know someone who's got a rental property near my work who wants to put it on the market as their renters have left...they may well want someone living in the place to keep it lived in nicely while it's on the market, a win win situation as they'd get rent and could kick me out at their leisure. I'm pursuing this one tonight, if not I'll rent privately!

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AnyFucker · 03/09/2015 20:21

So many positive moves listed there. You have a lot to be proud of, for sure.

And then you nearly self-sabotage your new job by getting pissed on a bottle of wine on your own because he harangued you for "not cooking his dinner with love".

he hardly needs to do a thing does he, when you are continuing to put yourself in the firing line like that. You make his job of diminishing you so much easier. Sad

thatsnotmynamereally · 03/09/2015 20:32

AF ?? The job's been fine...(they THANKED me for choosing them today Grin they pride themselves on staff retention and I'm so delighted to be there) not being complacent but I've totally put job, work, getting up and dressed nicely and on form over any concerns about H or anything else. My old job was flexible hours, this one isn't. I did have a flurry of pathetic texts this morning on the bus ( he'd taken the car) but I texted him I was turning off phone and I did. Tbh that's why I dreaded seeing him tonight but I'm just meh about it now!

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thatsnotmynamereally · 03/09/2015 20:34

PS bottle of wine on the Tuesday was awful but I knew what I was doing, was never out of control. Not good though and lesson learned.

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CharlotteCollins · 03/09/2015 21:31

Do hope a place to rent is straightforward to set up. It's been a long journey for you and you have made progress over just the last year. You used to hope he would end the relationship: now you are making plans for yourself. So glad the job is going well and they appreciate you: that must be a real boost.

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