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I have turned into an abuser.

104 replies

scaredimlosingit · 28/08/2015 15:36

NC for this.

About 9 months ago I found out my H was having an emotional affair. This really destroyed me, but what has made the matter much much worse is that I have become so angry.

We have been trying to work things out between us but every now and then I get so mad at him that I hit him. A week ago I threw my iPad at him and it went straight through his lip. I didn't mean for it to do that obviously, but I know that that is not the point and is no excuse.

My H doesn't want me/him to leave, he seems to not even be bothered about the hitting. And it's not just slapping, it's big punches to his face, crotch, stomach. I hit him so hard I got a bruise on my knuckles. In the past week I have got a bit better and if I feel like hitting him then I say that he needs to get away from me or I will hit him, so there has been no violence since the iPad incident which was last Tues. But me saying that he needs to get away from me or I'll hit him is a form of abuse in itself.

This is not like me at all, before this happened I never hated anyone, never hit a single person in my life. I know that even though the sexes are reversed from the norm that this is still domestic violence, and I'm disgusted with myself. I am due to see a counsellor next week who I hope will help me deal with my anger but I worry that I'm irredeemably broken now.

Does anyone have any experience of either abusers (or themselves as abusers) coming back from this and becoming 'normal' - for want of a better word - again?

OP posts:
purpleponcho · 30/08/2015 16:15

And yeah, this is one bunfight that's been had all over Mumsnet regularly for years, so let's not.

The OP needs support and, yes, tea and sympathy.

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 30/08/2015 16:17

Oh ffs

Learningtoletgo · 30/08/2015 18:06

I actually said can you imagine if a bloke said that, not that it was a bloke saying it. Your gender and build do not give you any special rights to physically assault someone else.

The op needs support that is responsible and in line with the guidelines of the board.

'There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse' MN HQ

featherandblack · 30/08/2015 19:19

Look, I don't think anyone is trying to excuse the OP by suggesting that what she's done is not abuse. I would be horrified at the thought of saying it was not abuse. However not everyone is prepared to immediately label a perpetrator of abuse as an abuser per se, not because they are prepared to excuse the crime but simply because labels can be very emotive, unhelpful and subjective. As it happens, the OP is quite happy to apply the label to herself and has done all she can to start putting it behind her. To her credit.

differentnameforthis · 01/09/2015 11:45

You're fucking hurting and you'd like that got who destroyed your peace of mind to feel some of your pain.

Sorry, but let's put this into perspective. Yes, having found out her dh has had an EA is devastating.

But that is not an excuse to physically beat your partner or throw weapons at them.

It doesn't excuse violence & I am sick of reading excuses here for women who abuse men as if it's more acceptable.

I challenge anyone to use the excuses used here on the next thread about a woman being beaten.

shovetheholly · 01/09/2015 13:10

I don't think anyone is saying this behaviour is just fine and she should keep on with it! People are trying to respond with compassion to someone who knows that what she is doing is wrong, but who is struggling to stop and come to terms with it in a very extreme emotional situation. It's like the parent who smacks a child out of sheer frustration and exhaustion - it's by no means an ideal response, but that doesn't mean they are unfit and should have the kids taken away from them and placed into care.

I also think that in the white hot denunciation of these threads a lot of very hurtful things get said, and that this is 'violence' and 'abuse' as much as physical hitting. Hurtful things that are said can actually be infinitely more damaging than a beating. (Those on here who know my history will know I don't say that lightly, either).

OP, I recommend speaking to your GP and seeing if you can access some anger management course near you - but I also think you need some space to talk this out, both individually and with your husband, in counselling.

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Tutt · 01/09/2015 20:39

Oh my!
The OP is an abuser, end of. Those of you telling her not to call herself that etc are doing more damage than good.
Scared you have recognised what you are doing, you have recognised that it is wrong, very wrong and have sought help. This is a good starting point.

Your behaviour is controlling, making someone have to watch what they say or do so that they don't come to any phsyical or mental harm IS controlling, so again those who are determind to not see you as a perpetrator are doing you damage.

The first point of counselling and trying to address an issue is to be honest so you are starting at a good point, however I know your DH had a EA and for that I am truely sorry for your hurt BUT this is you responsibility and as such must take responsibilty for your action. Violence can not be justified because you are hurt.

I would strongly advise for you to move out, just for a couple of weeks whilst you start therapy and until you feel stronger.

Good luck, you can do this, you are not broken, you just need help.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/09/2015 06:50

I expect you tell your children that they are bad, mean etc. as well, do you Tutt?

The OP has been guilty of abusive behaviour - this is out of character for her and she is seeking help for it. Doesn't mean you can label her as an abuser.

Perhaps you should read the rest of her posts as well to see that she HAS already moved out, eh?

Tutt · 02/09/2015 07:34

No Thumb I don't tell my children that, I do however get my clients to accept what they have done, their part in it and help find solution! WHICH in part is the accepting their part in what they have done, owning it and so being able to move forward, heal and make a better life!

She labeled herself an abuser so I can, she has excepted it and has sought help! Why do you want to undermind her intelligence, she's honest and open AND that is the first step to healing!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/09/2015 07:52

I am not undermining, just don't believe in labelling the woman as an abuser when she's going through a period of uncharacteristic abusive behaviour - and if that's how you work, labelling your clients. then I consider that your own attitude could be counterproductive.

sleepyelectricsheep · 02/09/2015 08:03

No she's not an abuser. Abuse of the sort we usually discuss on here (and which i lived woth for far too libg) is not just the violence, it's also stuff like the systematic isolation and assault on the self esteem of the victim. Abusers may say they are sorry but it's part of the cycle of abuse and they do not generally seek help for their behaviour.

The OP is genuinely concerned about her own behaviour, she is trying to tackle it and is doing some genuine soul searching.
That is what makes her not an abuser.

Yes it is DV, and serioua, of course it is. But no she does not need such a label to punish herself further with.

sleepyelectricsheep · 02/09/2015 08:04

*long not libg!

sleepyelectricsheep · 02/09/2015 08:06

scaredimlosingit please, please don't lose your DC over this.

What's your arrangement about seeing them?

Is the idea to rebuild the relationship and go back eventually if you can?

shovetheholly · 02/09/2015 08:37

There is altogether too much denunciation on this forum in general!! People just seem to enjoy it so much Sad. Life is complicated beyond labels and finger-pointing, people make mistakes - all of us do. There are so many grey areas, and however much you want the world to be black-and-white, with easy moral distinctions, it ain't that way. The best we can do sometimes is to be kind.

The OP in this case has recognised that her behaviour is a problem and is seeking help. Do you really think the best way to support her through that is to denounce and label her 'An Abuser'? REALLY? Does it not strike you that that might be unhelpful and a rather simplistic way of looking at an incredibly complicated situation? Have you even considered the possibility that she is reacting in this primordial and uncharacteristic way because her sense of self has been shaken to the core by her husband's affair - and she is potentially having a psychological crisis? So that the very last thing she needs is more invalidation? And before you come back at me with The Moral High Ground, no-one is defending the throwing of things and the slapping. Absolutely no-one is saying those are acceptable. Including the OP herself.

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/09/2015 09:37

"Have you even considered the possibility that she is reacting in this primordial and uncharacteristic way because her sense of self has been shaken to the core by her husband's affair - and she is potentially having a psychological crisis?"

That is several excuses.

differentnameforthis · 02/09/2015 09:54

This has been going on for 9mths. The discovery of the EA is no longer the trigger for her violence, it's her excuse to be violent, much like alcohol is used as an excuse by (mainly) men

She hits him in the groin, stomach & face. That is thought out. Random hitting is usually done to the chest area, but she is focusing her hits on the most delicate parts of his body! She hits him so hard, she bruises herself. And she is now using weapons. That's abuse.

Ergo, she IS an abuser. I don't even know why we are arguing it. OP has labelled it, she is facing up to it, to keep on telling her that she isn't abusive/and abuser is not going to help her face this head on. It will allow her to minimise the abuse the dishing out & then she will be back to square one.

differentnameforthis · 02/09/2015 09:58

sleepyelectricsheep So it's DV, it's abusive, but she isn't an abuser?

Listen to yourself. This is abuse, she is an abuser.

Not every abuser is the same.

a·bus·er
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noun
noun: abuser; plural noun: abusers

someone who regularly or habitually abuses someone or something, in particular.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/09/2015 10:02

Is anyone saying she hasn't been abusive? I don't think so.
What I and some others are saying is the same thing we say for children - label the behaviour, not the person. She has been abusive, she's addressing that abuse, does that make her an abuser per se? I don't believe so, some of you do.

If she's an abuser, then she won't change. If it's uncharacteristic abusive behaviour, then it can be changed. There, IMO, is the difference.

ShortandSweeter · 02/09/2015 10:53

deosn't really matter what you call it if you ask me- abuse, not abuse, abuser, non-abuser-- she has been hitting her husband repeatedly and the victim blaming that is evident in some of the posts is both atypical for MN and sickening. It's good that the OP is seeking help. I only hope the OH is seeking good help and advice too.

BoneyBackJefferson · 02/09/2015 11:04

The violence that she has perpetrated over the last 9 months makes her an abuser.

As shortandsweet has posted there are posters who are victim blaming on this thread.

Some are seeking not only to minimise but to excuse the persistent use of violence on another person.

MetallicBeige · 02/09/2015 14:23

This thread is chock full of soundbites that will have the likes of MRA and F4J creaming their pants and whipping up another anti-mumsnet poster with the quotes.
I work with DA, no matter the starting point the husband is currently a DA victim, the op a perpetrator of DA. Any standard report would reflect this, those are the simple facts. How people are managing to twist it around is beyond me.

I can't believe the sheer doggedness of some to explain away ops behaviour and place the blame onto the actual victim. It is possible to be supportive to the op and acknowledge that what is happening is wrong - no excuses.

Icouldbesogoodforyou · 02/09/2015 20:08

Agreed Metallic - I won't be surprised if this thread is used sometime in the future by a knobber from one of those organisations.

Violence is violence and abuse is abuse. It's not about labelling or giving the OP a hard time, she recognised she had become an abuser and she's getting help. I think it's great and I admire her for having that self - awareness and doing something about it. I hope she gets the help she needs.

But the virtual sending of flowers and sympathy and assertions that you're not an abuser OP and the suggestion that her violence is in some way an expected/natural/understandable response to her pain is potentially really damaging.

There's a huge difference between understanding someone as an individual, their journey and their behaviour and minimising or explaining away their behaviour.

The OP very honestly and courageously admitted to severe violence and controlling behaviour. And 'get away or I'll hit you' is controlling, it's saying whatever you're doing is making me want to hit you - therefore putting the responsibility on the victim and threatening violence. So the victim feels like they are walking on eggshells, that there are certain behaviours they need to avoid to prevent further violence. The OP isn't a terrible person but she is an abuser and has done the best thing and most insightful thing by leaving.

I've worked in MH with many male perpetrators of domestic violence. The overwhelming majority of them grew up witnessing or experiencing DV or experiencing other forms of abuse.

I understood why they became angry, insecure and abusive adults. That doesn't mean I could ever give them the message that they hadn't become abusers themselves and that as adults, they have to take responsibility for their behaviour -particularly when it involves inflicting pain on another person. The OP was doing that and I commend her for it.

I think there's an idea sometimes that abusers have a cynical plot to abuse other people because it's who they are or they enjoy it in some way.

I've met a few who did. Literally a few. But most of the one's I've met were fucked up people who fucked up other people. And I've met many male offenders who described a scenario like the OP, a long relationship with no violence until an infidelity or emotional betrayal and their pain, confusion or rage resulted in violence.

And as a society we have to have a bottom line where being violent towards another person is never acceptable or understandable regardless of the gender of the perpetrator or the physical strength of them.

Offering support to the OP to get the help she needs is very different to some of the responses on this thread.

And I know that MN often objects to people saying 'but if it was a man...' and sometimes it's a bullshit derailment of a thread but in this case it's valid. I don't think anyone hearing a man punched his DP who had emotionally betrayed him in the face and vagina till they bruised their own hands or threw heavy objects in their face would be offered virtual flowers or assurances that they're not an abuser.

OP - you have a huge amount of insight into your behaviour and you've done the right thing. That will stand you in good stead in having therapy. I don't think you're broken, I don't think there's no way back if you're willing to work on and understand yourself. Take care.

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