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I am so distressed , please help

122 replies

Fuckingstupid2015 · 05/08/2015 11:11

My name says it all really. N/C obviously ... Sad

I am early 50s. I have two kids now 17 & 14. I was divorced from my drug using exH in 2009 - a relief as he was abusive, unreliable and aggressive to the children. shortly after this I met DP.

I fell totally in love, as he did with me. He is divorced with two children (older and independent) Within a year he had moved in to my home (which I kept after the divorce, bought ExH out) . All very nice. He was very supportive to me during my divorce negotiations and in a big work problem that arose for me subsequently.

The problem is that I think he hates my kids. The elder has problems, the younger is a great kid. He won't allow them into the living room in case they damage his stuff, we have locks on the doors as the elder has previously thieved money. He is so hostile to them at times (not always but it's unpredictable).

He does not work, and had lived off me for almost 7 years. I am deeply in debt. Last year he stRted a business - it costs me every month to maintain that business.

We had an argument on Sunday and he called me a "stupid fucking cow" .. The argument was because I had bought my kids a PS4, he will not allow the elder to stay in the house unless an adult is there- but I work and am constantly under pressure to leave early so he can go to his 'business' ... I am so stressed I could scream but I cannot talk to him about it as he shouts at me and cuts me off.

I had a breakdown last year, caused I know by his behaviour to my kids. I tried to pretend it was other things but it wasn't.

I know what I need to do, but I feel sick, anxious, ill - and terrified of the loss of what was, once, such a happy relationship. I know I can't make him change, but I'm grieving for the loss of what I though I had. Please be gentle , I'm not stupid, I have a high paying professional job, and manage very well in every other aspect of my life.

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youarekiddingme · 05/08/2015 12:37

I may not be correct but as you aren't married he owns and has no claim to the house or living there? It is yours. (I'm sure a knowledgable MNer will correct me if I'm wrong)

Personally I'd tell him you want him gone by x date and then record it somehow, text, email and on the day get the locks changed.

What happens to him is not your problem - protecting your children is.

youarekiddingme · 05/08/2015 12:38

Sorry should have refreshed before posting - I see that it's true he has no legal right over yiur home.

Rjae · 05/08/2015 12:43

I think you've done what most people do who've been in an unhappy relationship in the past, you have a dream of a 'happy relationship' you can't let go of. But your has not been a happy relationship if he has sponged off you for years and been difficult with your child. The emotional attachment is strong because you think if only you could recapture hat earlier happiness things would be fine. But they won't, and you never will. Do as other say and ask him to leave.

Imlookingatboats · 05/08/2015 13:26

Look at it like this. Things will be absolutely horrible for a day, maybe 2. Then he will be gone. Pack his things, tell him to go, call the police if he doesn't. It's your house and you decide who stays. It will be horrible, and awful, but it will be over soon. Good luck.

Fuckingstupid2015 · 05/08/2015 14:20

I will make a list. I think that might help me be clear. He has also done good stuff with the kids; taught the younger to ride a bik, to swim, taken them places etc.

My head says he needs to go, my heart seems unable to catch up, I'm just devastated and so hurt.

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Fuckingstupid2015 · 05/08/2015 14:21

If I tell people in real life they will all know how stupid I am.

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Fuckingstupid2015 · 05/08/2015 14:22

I do not think he can have an y claim on anything. we are not married, my name alone in on the house and the mortgage, he has never contributed one penny to me or the house, I have bank statements showing money going into his account from mine every month

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AnyFucker · 05/08/2015 14:24

who cares what people think ?

what matters is your wellbeing and that of your son's

he can look after his own

whattheseithakasmean · 05/08/2015 14:26

Your children have nowhere to go and no money - so why are you so concerned about this shitty man, after failing to protect your children for years.

You remind me of my mother - she loves to act the victim, but of course me and my sister were the real victims, but can never express it, because it is all 'poor her'. You have a good job and choices. Your children have no choice. Start putting their wants and needs before your own or this worthless man.

eddielizzard · 05/08/2015 14:43

what a fucking sorry excuse for a man! a first class cock lodger who has less claim on your house than your kids do, yet bans them from the living room?!?

wtf!!! i'm gobsmacked. what about your KIDS?

chuck his stuff out on the pavement and change the locks. what a fucking arse. so he taught your younger dc to do stuff. an au pair would do that for you and cost a lot less. and not be awful to you or your kids.

you feel sick, anxious, ill. of course you do! but that feeling will go the second he is out of your life. get some friends or family support to do it.

you can do it today. tell him to get the fuck out and be ready to call the police if he resists. yes, it is that easy. so what if he has nowhere to go? he should have thought of that 7 years ago, and each subsequent time he was an arse. you've given him literally thousands of chances and he's blown it. game's over buddy.

don't think about it. just do it.

gosh i'm so angry on your behalf.

Doodlebug300 · 05/08/2015 14:48

Please protect your children and ask him to leave. His behaviour is abusive to them and you are currently complicit in it as you are allowing it to continue. Please, protect them. You won't have another opportunity to go back and do this right.

halfwildlingwoman · 05/08/2015 15:10

OK, you can do this. Your head has told you to - the heart will shortly follow. You have to for the sake of the children.
So, you give him a chance to go quietly. You tell him. This isn't working for you - the DC aren't happy. He is verbally abusive. You give him notice - a couple of days and start helping him pack his stuff together. If he misses the deadline, you put his stuff outside and change the locks - it's your house. Tell your eldest and enlist his support - he is going to be happy, even if he doesn't show it to start with.
It is going to be so much better very soon. Take strength from the love you have for your DC.

goddessofsmallthings · 05/08/2015 16:32

Your namechange is most apt, but in all conscience I can't give a 'gentle' response to what you've posted as the profound damage that's been done to your dc by your relationship with their df and your 7 year relationship with this man is all too apparent.

Has it occurred to you that the money you've squandered spent supporting this thoroughly nasty, arrogant, and despicable twunt of a cocklodger could have paid for professional advice and support during those "divorce negotiations" and the "big work problem" that subsequently arose and that, more importantly, it could have paid for the considerable therapeutic input your dc require to overcome their df's abuse and aggression towards them and address the additional psychological damage this twunt's done to them?

Many high-achieving and highly paid women appear to be emotionally retarded when it comes to choosing partners. I know several highly intelligent women who have put their dysfunctional relationships with the opposite sex before the needs of their dc, with the predictable result that those now adult dc have nothing but contempt for their dms and, sadly, their own 'romantic' relationships are flawed, to say the least.

You know what needs to be done but, in case you've overlooked anything, here's a list:

1 Before you go home this evening cancel any direct debits or similar transfers you may have set up to fund his business and pull the plug on any credit card/bank account/mobile phone contract etc you've made yourself liable for.

2 When you get home tell him to pack a bag and leave. If he claims he has nowhere to go, that's his problem; it's summer and he won't freeze to death if he has to sleep on the street.

If he refuses to comply with your polite request, call the police and have him removed as he no legal or other right whatseover to remain in your home if you don't want him there and he can make arrangements to collect the bulk of his belongings at a later date to suit you.

3 Get his keys to your home off him before he leaves - if this is not possible, call a 24 hour locksmith and get the external/entrance locks changed.

4 As soon as he's out of your your property, unlock all locked internal doors and hide the keys.

5 Apologise to your dc for being Fuckingstupid taken in by him and allowing him to dictate terms to the 3 of you and assure them that you will not allow another man to move in to your bedroom until such time as they are grown and ready to set up home for themselves and that you will only countenance living with another man if they wholeheartedly approve of your choice.

6 Pour yourself a Wine, congratulate yourself on a job well done, and update here.

Tomorrow you can begin lovebombing your eldest, strengthening your currently strained bonds with both of your dc, and seeking professional help to redress the harm that you've caused by failing to put their needs before your own.

In addition, and if necessary, work out ways to consoliate your debts so that the 3 of you can have a much needed holiday together in a resort/camp site where there is no shortage of fun activities for teenagers to participate in and where you'll be able to socialise with other adults/read a book/browse the shops/go paragliding or whatever appeals to you while they're enjoying themselves with their peers.

Your dc have spent their entire lives being abused and intimidated by 2 men who were/are singularly unfit to be role models, and have been forced to witness their dm being royally screwed over seeking to appease and placate their latest abuser.

It cannot be overemphasised that you owe it to your dc to ACT NOW to stop the rot and to devote yourself to their wellbeing for the foreseaable future.

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goddessofsmallthings · 05/08/2015 16:34

consolidate your debts!

tethersend · 05/08/2015 16:39

Whether you ask him to leave or not, the relationship you thought you had is gone. Staying with him won't bring it back, it will just make it harder to get over it.

The thing you're afraid of has already happened.

Good luck, OP Flowers

NerrSnerr · 05/08/2015 16:43

You need to get rid of this man now. It doesn't matter that he has nowhere to go, that's his problem. The longer he stays the more damage he does to your two children.

ImperialBlether · 05/08/2015 16:46

I certainly wouldn't tell him I wanted him out in X number of days - those days will be the most miserable you'll live through and he'll take everything he can lay his hands on.

It's no coincidence he has nowhere else to go to - he's got no friends because he's a bastard to everyone.

Apologise to your son and expect his behaviour to change for the better. I think you should make a vow to yourself to not have another man living in the home until both boys have left home.

TracyBarlow · 05/08/2015 16:49

If it's all a bit overwhelming OP then just start with one thing today to start the process of getting him out of your life. Even if that thing is writing a list, it's a step in the right direction. Flowers

BeyonceRiRiMadonnna · 05/08/2015 16:57

OP you have been given great advice, personally I think Goddess has summed it up nicely. Being a high achieving highly paid woman is certainly no excuse reason why you've allowed this to happen to your children.

I know I shouldn't kick you when you're down, but you really need to start putting your DCs first and you shouldn't give a F what anyone has got to say. You've let them down for far to long.......kick him out TODAY you'll deal with your broken heart later!

Stormtreader · 05/08/2015 16:59

First off, huge hugs and Flowers.

No matter how smart or stupid anyone is, there's a truth to "the heart wants what the heart wants", its natural and human to want to believe the best of your partner and to support them, whether that's emotionally, financially or whatever. It's also so so horrible to have to grieve the loss of the life you planned, and it's also natural and human.

Tell your friends. They won't think you're stupid, they will probably be relieved that you've seen the light at last! And they'll be there to support you through it all, and you deserve to have that support, all of it.

Also, He has literally no where to go . And a houseful of his stuff. And no money whatsoever. if he has a houseful of saleable stuff then I'd say there's his answer right there. Tell him to sell some of his stuff so he has some funds, and less stuff to move. If its valuable enough to lock away from your kids then some of it must be worth something!

DelphiniumBlue · 05/08/2015 16:59

How has it got to the situation that you are allowing him to tell your almost adult ds that he can't stay in the house without an adult? How have you allowed him to lock your own children out of the living room?

Your children have clearly suffered so much, it's time for you take back control, and get this abusive user out of your children's lives.

I would be more sympathetic, but the fact that you have said that you are worried that your real life friends will think you are stupid just shows that you are not taking this seriously enough. Do you really think they don't know what is going on ? I think you should swallow your pride and speak to friends/family to ask for their support in getting this man out of your home, and start thinking about how you are going to help your children get over the damage done to them.

And what Blether said - apologise to your boys and don't get involved with anyone else until they have left home.

Whippetwhopper · 05/08/2015 17:00

Hi op, I have been where you are. I took ten years of this rubbish. My MH is destroyed as is the relationship with my daughter as a result. Please leave.

Whippetwhopper · 05/08/2015 17:01

Sorry just seen its your house. Make him leave. Get the police if he won't go.

LemonCream · 05/08/2015 18:20

Two things....

Why exactly do you think you are "fucking stupid"? What have you done that's so fucking stupid? Trusted & loved someone? We're all guilty of that. You've done nothing wrong. I am pretty sure that none of your friends will view it in that fashion...relationships break down all the time and decent friends offer support no matter what the circumstances.

Secondly, your "fear" is probably about being alone in the future. And that is completely natural.

Well, leaving aside the assumption that you won't meet anyone else (a poor, probably wrong assumption) then I'd have to say that being alone is considerably better in terms of personal happiness than being in such an awful relationship. It truly, truly is.

(Three things, actually)

Also....your kids. They are the most important people you will ever meet - and their future mental health is dependent on what you do now. A huge responsibility, I know....but you must meet it. Currently they are being made unhappy by your DP and you not showing him the door is as much proof as they need that their mother cannot/will not put them first. That's a terrible, terrible lesson to learn at their age and will stay with them forever.

Tell him to leave. Today. If he refuses call 101. Allow him to collect a few clothes and tell him that you'll be packing on his behalf for the rest of the week. he can collect at x time on y day.

Change the locks and block any avenue he has to contact you.

Fuckingstupid2015 · 05/08/2015 18:24

I do appreciate the time you have all taken to post. And I appreciate the comments. They tell me what I already know. He is away until Sunday so I have a space to act / strengthen my resolve

My list looks like this

negative

he does not earn and will never do as he does not work hard enough
he is unreasonable
I am afraid of his temper
he will not discuss differences / issues in a reasonable way
he favours one child over another
he bans the kids from the living room (the kids do have a big room elsewhere where they can watch videos etc)

positive

he does DIY
he is gorgeous
on our own we get on really well
he is fiercely supportive of me - I have grown in courage since I met him

I know I have done his before. But that was easy as I no longer loved or even liked my ExH. I still love DP although I am not sure I like him much.

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