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This can't be right...

118 replies

allwornout · 22/11/2006 14:20

I am a regular but have changed my name as this is quite personal.
2 weeks after our second baby was born my DH came into the room saying something had happened and an ?opportunity? had arisen which should be considered while I was off work for the next few months. He then proceeded to tell me that he had come across an adult chat website a few months ago and had got into conversations with a female with a view to a threesome.
I was gobsmacked ? we had a new baby. He had joined this website under the guise of it being his wife ie me looking for a threesome. When I said there was no way I would do this and expressed my disbelief that he gone this far he said it was because years ago I had led him to believe that I may be up for this sort of thing. He is referring to fantasy talk we may have had during our own sex. For me any talk like that ( it was like over 10 years ago) was pure fantasy to spice up our sex life never an intention to go through with. I think those situations are very dangerous for relationships. We had a heated row after which I felt like if I didn?t go along with it I would be neglecting to nurture our sex life and to take it beyond the ordinary. The subject was dropped for a while but resurfaced several times over the past few months with questions like ? Are you ready for your affair?? If I just said no we would have to have a long discussion/argurment about why I should.
Admittedly the months previous to the baby being born were fairly quiet on the sex front (not completely absent but I felt sick pretty much the whole of the time and frankly just not up for it), but after this discussion I made more effort to the point now where I feel if I am not up for it (and proactive in making it more interesting like dressing sexy etc) pretty much every day I get a huffy hubby.
Anyway the long and the short of it is I feel pissed off to be under that kind of pressure and wonder whether I am justified to be pissed off about it.
I could go on with a lot of background but that might bore anyone who may have read so far and might feel like commenting. I?m happy to fill in details as asked.

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MascaraOHaraIncredibleSheHulk · 22/11/2006 16:30

Wasn't it a godfather in ireland?

(sorry what a useless interruption to the thread, I will disappear again)

allwornout · 22/11/2006 16:31

No not at all. I haven't seen that thread. I normally stick to posting on less controversial threads but like I said I have needed to get this off my chest for months.

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expatinscotland · 22/11/2006 16:37

K, I'll be blunt. B/c that's how I am and you asked for opinions:

You are married a person who is abusing you.

He is emotionally abusive and a substance abuser.

YOU do NOT need counselling to overcome your sexual issues, b/c you don't have any. You just don't fancy shagging someone else.

You do need counselling to help you recognise and break the pattern of abuse you've been subjected to by your spouse.

He refuses to go counselling.

Then he needs to LEAVE.

Sorry, but staying w/a abusive twat like this any longer will do you, and your children, NO good.

Megglevache · 22/11/2006 16:40

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Rhubarb · 22/11/2006 16:40

Oh so he's been violent has he? Your man's a drunk to boot too!

Sorry, but I feel like shaking you right now! Why do you put up with this? When you are writing all of this do you have any idea how it all sounds?

It would be funny if it wasn't so goddam serious! Think I'd better leave this thread now.

allwornout · 22/11/2006 17:01

Written down in black and white it does sound like an awful situation. It's not always but when we row it all comes to the fore.
I put up with it because there are times when things are fine, because I left once and came back, because I don't know if I have the energy or am hard enough to go through the nastiness (it would be messy)of a separation/divorce. Plus I cannot physically make him leave. Where would he go?

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NotQuiteCockney · 22/11/2006 17:07

Wait, you couldn't afford to continue counselling, but he can afford to drink like a fish? More and more and .

I do think counselling would be good for AWO, so she can think about the situation (ok, marriage) she's in, and get herself out of it.

catsmother · 22/11/2006 17:15

In answer to your original question - yes, you have every right to feel pissed off about the stupid tactless insensitive 3some suggestion.

In answer to everything else which has arisen since the 1st post, I don't think the problem is really about sex. That is one of your problems and maybe, just maybe, it might have been surmountable had it been the only one. However, you've revealed so much more about your husband and frankly, he sounds frightening.

In fact he sounds a frightening bully. No-one would ever suggest that separating from the father of your kids is the easy option - I've done it and I know it's not - but what's worse, getting through that, or staying in an environment where you're forever walking on eggshells, scared that the most insignificant thing will prompt a violent rage ? If he regularly starts drinking in the afternoon, your children must see some of his volatility and if they're not already scared by it, they soon will be.

He may be a great (sober) dad, but can you honestly, hand on heart, say that you trust him with the kids 101% if he often starts drinking that early ?

Whilst he might be feeling "emasculated" by being a SAHD ( ..... and BTW, why should you feel "lucky" and/or grateful about that given they are just as much his children too?) and he certainly appears to be pathetically jealous of each new child, those feelings do NOT excuse in any way shape or form his attitude towards you.

HE says YOU need counselling to get to the bottom of YOUR sexual issues. That's absolute shite. Such a remark implies that anyone who doesn't want a 3some has "issues". In other words, you are being blamed for not giving in to his demands. He refuses joint counselling point blank, thereby implying that HE's perfect.

Where do you go from here ? ....... TBH, with someone SO insensitive (at best) and a violent bully, who is quite probably an alcoholic as well, there really only seems one option you can take. No-one can do that for you but what else can you do ...... clearly, you're not happy with the current situation or else you wouldn't have posted here.

Bear in mind that a separation might just shock him enough into seeking advice and accepting responsibility. If he does, and at some stage in the future you get back together again than great, but even if he doesn't, you will still almost certainly feel so much better without the pressure and fear you're currently living in.

forestfern · 22/11/2006 18:43

Listen to what Happy Daddy said. My husband did the same. Also getting text messages from couples who wanted to join him. Nothing to do with me. I am very passionate but pretty conservative and very loyal.

I do wonder if the threesome thing is an immature jealous reaction to the really mature and very real NEW threesome that is in your lives now with the new child???

Male sexual immaturity becomes a very dangerous thing after the age of 18. In fact, I sometimes think that any severe problems that we have deep wihin us become more and more dangerous as the complexities, anxieties and general factors of adult life evolve.

Maybe we should all have heavy counselling every ten years!!

"If you dont know me by now ...". When do we really know somebody else? After going through every experience in life with them?

Some people trust their gut instincts from early on in relationships - and can easily move on to fresher pastures. Maybe we should all do that if we have not made vows. I certainly envy them their strength.It takes a lot of self-confidence too.

I am leaving my relationship now.

RachelG · 22/11/2006 20:30

He sounds to me like an alcoholic bully who has brainwashed you into thinking that you're the unreasonable one, when it's obvious that it's him. I really hope you can get out of this relationship, it sounds terrible. I really feel for you.

As a single Mum I can tell you that life is much happier alone than with someone like this.

You deserve better.

tribpot · 22/11/2006 20:35

Gosh, you go, catsmother. I totally agree. My dh is a SAHD but has yet to suggest a threesome (will be speaking sharply to him about this ). AWO, your dh is completely out of order. A wine box contains three bottles of wine, possibly even four. That is WAY more than anyone should be drinking of an evening.

Also agree with NQC, you can't have counselling but he has that much money to spend on booze?

Have you talked to Al-Anon?

fireflyxmasfairylights2 · 22/11/2006 23:32

I have just told DH about this thread. His exact words?

"It's bastards like him that give men a bad name, the fuckin knob"

Seriously. He's an arse.

allwornout · 23/11/2006 09:26

Apologies for having left the thread y'day afternoon. It was time to go home.
Thanks all of you for taking the time and effort to reply.
I have a calm feeling inside now knowing that I'm not going mad and that it isn't all to do with my "attitude" as he puts it. I'm not too sure what to do next and how as I'm not very good at confrontations although when pushed into a corner I will stand my ground. What I'm saying is in practical terms it's hard to rock the boat. We have no family close by or friends that I would want to involve. As I said earlier, it probably sounds a lot worse than it is on a day to day basis because a lot of the issues have been spread over the last 15 years.
HappyDaddy you made me laugh.
Forestfern- Wow your H did the same? How did he present it to you? Do you have children? How are you getting out of the relationship? Sorry if too many questions.

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themulledSNOWMANneredjanitor · 23/11/2006 09:52

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Bugsy2 · 23/11/2006 10:10

allwornout, you have my every sympathy. It sounds to me as though you are trying to please someone who will probably never be pleased.
No one who really loves you should try to force you to do something against your will. I shudder when I think how he is using your abused sexual past to try & MAKE you engage in a sexual activity you have no interest in.
I spent years with an emotionally controlling bully. Mercifully divorced from him now. I've had a lot of counselling too, to identify why I allow myself to be bullied & even seek subconsciously seek it out in relationships.

Have a long hard think about how long you want to spend with this man. Is he good for you?

meowmix · 23/11/2006 10:30

your attitude? please tell me thats not just you stating your views.

Really you need to think about yourself here - he's bullying you itno something you don't want, but I'll bet you have thought at some stage "ach I'll just do it and get it over with, anything for a quiet life..." - which is exactly why he behaves like that.

You say you have good periods and that this is just a bad one. Where is it written that you have to put up with the bad periods? Are the good periods really worth this or are they just 'good' in relation to the bad? ie is it one of those "isn't it nice when the noise stops" things?

meowmix · 23/11/2006 10:30

your attitude? please tell me thats not just you stating your views.

Really you need to think about yourself here - he's bullying you itno something you don't want, but I'll bet you have thought at some stage "ach I'll just do it and get it over with, anything for a quiet life..." - which is exactly why he behaves like that.

You say you have good periods and that this is just a bad one. Where is it written that you have to put up with the bad periods? Are the good periods really worth this or are they just 'good' in relation to the bad? ie is it one of those "isn't it nice when the noise stops" things?

allwornout · 23/11/2006 11:55

Meowmix you are right on the maybe I'll do it then I thought f*that! Also on the good/bad periods.
How can you be not "nurturing the intimacy in a relationship" just cos you don't fancy sex one week. Can't you just snuggle up in bed together and go to sleep?

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meowmix · 23/11/2006 13:03

well yes you can. if you're being treated with respect that is.

his drinking is a real worry tho - a wine box is 5 litres

HappyDaddy · 23/11/2006 16:20

He's definately a bully and a scumbag, probably a drunk too.
You have good periods because you choose not to confront him about his drinking and stupidity, all the time.

You deserve a happy, loving home. He deserves a smack.

He is the problem in your life, not your "attitude". I'm not going to heap more pressure on you to leave, or chuck him out. Although, where he goes is his problem. I absolutely HATE "men" who act like he does. He's a child and should be treated as such.

allwornout · 28/12/2006 11:45

Well for those of you who were kind enough to read first time around here's an update. It would take ages to go into all the details but I will fill in if asked. Anyway on Christmas Eve I called the police and DH was arrested and taken away (needless to say drink was involved again). I have not let him back since. I feel like a huge weight is off my shoulders but at the same time I am scared of the struggle ahead. I also feel guilty. I have made him homeless (unless I pay for a studio for 6mths and get further into debt which I am considering), our DS (4) misses him and I don't know how to tell him. At the moment I am just saying his Daddy loves him but has to be away at the moment. He talks about "When Daddy comes back".
I am trying to be strong but I want to cry.

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allwornout · 28/12/2006 12:00

bumping in the hope someone will either say well done or you cruel b.

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morningpaper · 28/12/2006 12:08

allworn out so sorry you are having a crap time but it sounds like you are moving forward in a positive way. DO NOT FEEL GUILTY! Any problems this man is in are of his own making. You sounds like such a loving mummy. Good luck xx

swiftybaby · 28/12/2006 12:13

well done allwornout. I have only just read the thread so wasnt aware of your situation. You are so doing the right thing, for you and for your children. Good Luck and stay strong x

Scootergirl · 28/12/2006 12:18

You and your children are better off without him, IMO. He sounds like an alcoholic bully with some major issues. I admire your bravery and wish you lots of luck in the future x

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