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New romance with boyfriend gone very wrong;-(( help please

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KatieMaddocks · 23/07/2015 16:59

Hi all,
Something I would like to share and get your help on, it was hard to write this out so please do not be unkind.
I met a guy online and our courtship and romance started off quite fast, he did all the planning, pursuing, courting and reaching out to me as well as calling, texting and making sure we have plans. we've been seeing each other for almost 3 months now, twice a week (Wednesday evening for a date in town) and on Saturday when we spend the whole day together and I stay over at his house.

We enjoy each other's company but have delved into conversations about children, family, marriage as I am 35 and had been married (no kids) before, he is 44, never married/no kids. I have voiced a desire to have a family soon with the right person, he said he wants the same. He has said he does not believe in marriage - parents divorced when he was 10 - and that he can have kids and 'then see if marriage can be on the cards'.

I am not entirely happy with it as it means he has 100% commitment from me and no recognition on paper/formally. He does say he loves me, he said it first and pursued me, but now calls less and rarely texts, also we met on Wednesday after a great weekend and he said that he was going on a finance course the next day and wanted us to finish early. I asked him if he wanted to meet at all, as he seemed distracted, a little aloof/cold and did not compliment me on my dress, looks - which he rarely does anyway, less to nothing now - and was not in a hugging/affectionate mood. I told him in a bar that I would love to see his affection and emotions and that I really like if we're tender with each other. He told me he has come out to meet only because I 'would give him grief if we didn't meet on Wednesday' and that I 'always pick an argument'.
I feel I cannot discuss the affection issue with him, he closes off and sees it as me nagging him. It felt like I was an old wife he got bored of and we're only dating 3 months!

Needless to say, I was upset, he saw me off home, did not get out of the car to say goodbye and walk me to my house. I invited him in, he declined. He wanted a kiss, I briefly kissed him and jumped out of his fancy car. He was angry I did not properly kiss him and I ended up saying why don't you come up for 5 mins? Big mistake. We ended up having sex which was mediocre (unlike before), he left and said 'cheers' on his way out....!!! Then returned realising it's wrong and just to almost tick the box said 'love ya'.

I feel like he has intimacy issues and does see me as wife/GF material but is not in love with me. He cannot say it to me face to face, plus if I bring up affection, hugs and kisses or calling during the week he gets angry and defensive. I do not know what to do and feel awful as it feels like he lost interest after hunting a beautiful girl down (he told me he was very proud a beautiful girl like me went out with him).

I feel broken hearted, upset and not loved/respected because of his recent treatment and how he talks to me on a daily basis (no compliments, cute words, no feelings.)

I played by the rules, did not pursue him, did never call him, rarely returned calls. What happened and is there a future here? Am I blind and need to move on if he does not appreciate me?

Another fact is that I am a high earner compared to him 9 years younger and have a really good job/lifestyle which he does not have to the same extent. Being a macho and a red-blooded male male, it does bother him I think. Nothing I can do about it, but thought it's important to point out. I love him the way he is, and my only criticism is absence of emotions/affection/hugs and compliments, as I am a fairly good looking girl who is used to swim in men's attention and adoration.

He does also routinely swear at waiters, people in cars and sometimes me - he has called me a 'dick' when I unbuttoned his shirt's top button, 'an arsehole', and told me 'not to behave like a bitch'. I find this really shocking as my mum and dad never speak like this, but he says it is okay and he is not meaning anything nasty by it.

What is your advice on this for the future? It was hard writing this and I really would like your point of view. I love him but not sure how/if this can work which fills me with fear and sadness.

OP posts:
MameHootieBench · 24/07/2015 16:42

I know you're from another country, but this thread is from another world.

Your focus on appearance (yours and that of other women) is bizarre.

Taking off a man's watch? Is he a child?

You've hardly spent any time with him yet you're talking babies and custody battles with a man who is clearly very unpleasant.

Why on earth would having a relationship with a man who calls a woman 'pussy' be a good idea? And not to use contraception?

For someone who thinks she's intelligent you're doing some pretty stupid things.

Twinklestein · 24/07/2015 16:42

HQ gave you the all clear, so that's all good, but please don't play the 'very sad and alone' card just because you weren't able to post for a few hours on a forum that you're brand new to.

It's not for you to tell the OP how she should react. It's not actually any of your business.

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 16:43

Twinklestein why would someone invent it and post? It takes so much time and effort to reply, write out comments. etc...

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KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 16:45

Guys, I wanted to thank you all for giving me clear feedback and help here. even though you don't know me;-))

I really appreciate it, even the harsher comments.

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CultureSucksDownWords · 24/07/2015 16:46

people do it for attention, Katie, believe it or not.

Twinklestein · 24/07/2015 16:48

There are people who do - bored, silly, whatever.

The recent thread I mentioned is a case in point.

I don't know what they get out of it. Shit and giggles I guess.

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 16:49

MameHootieBench

Your focus on appearance (yours and that of other women) is bizarre.

[I am proud of taking care of my appearance, I am not 'focusing on it'. It was just a sentence, in context[.

Taking off a man's watch? Is he a child? - [We were cuddling on a sofa, his watch was digging into his arm, I took it off. what's the big deal? why so unrealistic?]

You've hardly spent any time with him yet you're talking babies and custody battles with a man who is clearly very unpleasant. [Yes, a bit bizarre, but I was stung by my ex who in the end did not want more children and overdid it with the next guy - talking that is. The new guy said he wants kids and his ex - a younger 28 y.o. girl - apparently effused to settle down, so that's how we came about to talk....early, I know....]

Why on earth would having a relationship with a man who calls a woman 'pussy' be a good idea? [I do not.]

For someone who thinks she's intelligent you're doing some pretty stupid things. [Yep. I know. I am intelligent at work, but not in personal life. My mum doesn't understand it either].

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MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 16:50

Twinklestein the OP directed that comment at me, not at anyone else. I'm free to call her out when she's trying to make me feel guilty.

LeoandBoosmum · 24/07/2015 16:54

There was one I know of not too long ago Katie. It was really long and complex - she was even logging on in the middle of the night to post messages.

You appear to be successful in many areas. Do yourself a favour and don't look back! There a nice men out there who you will be much better suited with. He'll probably come along when you're least expecting it!

Twinklestein · 24/07/2015 16:58

She directed the comment at anyone who reported the thread, not you in particular dog.

She wasn't trying to make you feel guilty just explaining how it made her feel.

But, by your own terms, if you can 'call her out', she's entitled to call you out.

If you don't believe the OP's for real, then don't bother with the thread.

MiniTheMinx · 24/07/2015 16:59

As Twinkle says this man could be a monstrosity in any language. I don't know him so I can't be sure. Problem is, I don't think you really know him either.

The fixed days thing is often a good way of ensuring that someone can compartmentalize their life, Suzy on Monday and Sunday, Gym on Weds, Vicky the intern on Thurs, online dater on Friday...One night stand on Saturday. You feel a certain amount of commitment and certainty is being offered, what is actually being offered is a sort of fixed contract with no wriggle room, this ensures you can't ask if he wants to do theatre on Monday or concert on Friday, it creates a sort of mental barrier. You are less likely then to turn up at his door and surprise him on Tuesday!

MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 17:01

Twinkelstein
I reported the thread last night because I had doubts. I asked HQ for an update this morning which they gave, and reassured me that they don't have any reasons to think it's not real. That's why I've been posting on it today.

ChilliAndMint · 24/07/2015 17:06

"Used to swim in men's attention and adoration..."

Who wrote that ..the ghost of Barbara Cartland ?

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 17:11

What's OP?;-))

Mini: We talked every day until now on texts/calling so I knew pretty much where he was, unless of course he wasn't telling the truth. It is always possible a guy lies, but you've just bent the other way making him sound like a horrible multidater;-))) He might be. Who knows. He remembers every detail of everything we talked about and doesn't slip/mix up my previous statements, our conversations...so I doubt he multidates. He had good sex, hugs, cooked meals, meals out....plus he hangs out with friends.

Anyway, it would be a crude way to look at any man that way, no?

But you may be right.

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KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 17:12

ChilliAndMint haha. I never read her books... I am foreign, remember, so not perfect English;-)

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Twinklestein · 24/07/2015 17:12

I agree with Mini that he's likely got multiple options on the go at any one time. That's why I suggested an STI test.

A lot of men use dating sites for sex partners...

MiniTheMinx · 24/07/2015 17:13

Maybe its a common saying in a different culture

Oh, and really just imagine OP if you had lots of other wise women around you who could have given you some feedback on him weeks ago. Ultimately though (setting aside considerations about English humour/his background) if there are things that he says, personality traits, or behaviour that doesn't sit right with you, it matters not if he is good or bad, he is not the one for you.

MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 17:17

OP - good sex and cooked meals don't stop some men from being unfaithful! (or some women) That's a very naive view, IMO.

MiniTheMinx · 24/07/2015 17:19

Katie I used to work in care management, it required knowing where 30 plus people were in any 15 minutes during any 24 hours. I needed to remember some silly triffling details never filed on any care plan, Mrs Smith's Cat is called scruff, Mr Pickles only likes to be called Tom, Mrs Jones will not accept you if you don't put all the forks back in the right drawer...plus all the woes and personal dramas going on with staff and clients. Its very easy to remember lots of things about lots of people.

Of course, he may have been quite faithful, maybe you will never know, so go get the STD checks

guinnessgirl · 24/07/2015 17:22

good Lord, he sounds awful. You can do so much better, OP - get rid. The 'jokes' about women, in particular, are a big flashing red warning light. He is NOT a keeper. Angry

ShebaShimmyShake · 24/07/2015 17:39

Katie, stop trying to defend him by saying he cooks for you or appreciates style or listens to classical music or whatever. He is a pig of the first order. He's not even like Christian Grey, Grey was many things (including a whinging pissbaby) but he wasn't a scrub and he was good in bed.

If you are half as beautiful as you say you are, you will have plenty of options. Abandon this lazy, abusive, misogynistic, leeching cockmunch.

Believe me, if I hated you for being beautiful (I have only your internet word for it anyway), I would tell you to stay.

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 17:39

WHAT IS OP??????

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KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 17:41

ShebaShimmyShake strong but true. I needed the cold shower effect and got it here, I think. BTW, he is NOT calling. that I think means the end. It does not feel sad, actually...

Maybe tomorrow night will be the culmination of pain...who knows.

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SweetCharityBeginsAtHome · 24/07/2015 17:43

OP = Original Poster ie you Katie

ShebaShimmyShake · 24/07/2015 17:44

OP is opening post, ie the person who started the thread.

There is no 'maybe' about tomorrow. This is not something happening to you as you remain passive, it is something you can control. Tell him his behaviour is deplorable and it is over, and he is not to contact you again.