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New romance with boyfriend gone very wrong;-(( help please

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KatieMaddocks · 23/07/2015 16:59

Hi all,
Something I would like to share and get your help on, it was hard to write this out so please do not be unkind.
I met a guy online and our courtship and romance started off quite fast, he did all the planning, pursuing, courting and reaching out to me as well as calling, texting and making sure we have plans. we've been seeing each other for almost 3 months now, twice a week (Wednesday evening for a date in town) and on Saturday when we spend the whole day together and I stay over at his house.

We enjoy each other's company but have delved into conversations about children, family, marriage as I am 35 and had been married (no kids) before, he is 44, never married/no kids. I have voiced a desire to have a family soon with the right person, he said he wants the same. He has said he does not believe in marriage - parents divorced when he was 10 - and that he can have kids and 'then see if marriage can be on the cards'.

I am not entirely happy with it as it means he has 100% commitment from me and no recognition on paper/formally. He does say he loves me, he said it first and pursued me, but now calls less and rarely texts, also we met on Wednesday after a great weekend and he said that he was going on a finance course the next day and wanted us to finish early. I asked him if he wanted to meet at all, as he seemed distracted, a little aloof/cold and did not compliment me on my dress, looks - which he rarely does anyway, less to nothing now - and was not in a hugging/affectionate mood. I told him in a bar that I would love to see his affection and emotions and that I really like if we're tender with each other. He told me he has come out to meet only because I 'would give him grief if we didn't meet on Wednesday' and that I 'always pick an argument'.
I feel I cannot discuss the affection issue with him, he closes off and sees it as me nagging him. It felt like I was an old wife he got bored of and we're only dating 3 months!

Needless to say, I was upset, he saw me off home, did not get out of the car to say goodbye and walk me to my house. I invited him in, he declined. He wanted a kiss, I briefly kissed him and jumped out of his fancy car. He was angry I did not properly kiss him and I ended up saying why don't you come up for 5 mins? Big mistake. We ended up having sex which was mediocre (unlike before), he left and said 'cheers' on his way out....!!! Then returned realising it's wrong and just to almost tick the box said 'love ya'.

I feel like he has intimacy issues and does see me as wife/GF material but is not in love with me. He cannot say it to me face to face, plus if I bring up affection, hugs and kisses or calling during the week he gets angry and defensive. I do not know what to do and feel awful as it feels like he lost interest after hunting a beautiful girl down (he told me he was very proud a beautiful girl like me went out with him).

I feel broken hearted, upset and not loved/respected because of his recent treatment and how he talks to me on a daily basis (no compliments, cute words, no feelings.)

I played by the rules, did not pursue him, did never call him, rarely returned calls. What happened and is there a future here? Am I blind and need to move on if he does not appreciate me?

Another fact is that I am a high earner compared to him 9 years younger and have a really good job/lifestyle which he does not have to the same extent. Being a macho and a red-blooded male male, it does bother him I think. Nothing I can do about it, but thought it's important to point out. I love him the way he is, and my only criticism is absence of emotions/affection/hugs and compliments, as I am a fairly good looking girl who is used to swim in men's attention and adoration.

He does also routinely swear at waiters, people in cars and sometimes me - he has called me a 'dick' when I unbuttoned his shirt's top button, 'an arsehole', and told me 'not to behave like a bitch'. I find this really shocking as my mum and dad never speak like this, but he says it is okay and he is not meaning anything nasty by it.

What is your advice on this for the future? It was hard writing this and I really would like your point of view. I love him but not sure how/if this can work which fills me with fear and sadness.

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uglyswan · 24/07/2015 17:44

Katie, OP means original post or poster, i.e. you. And I am very glad you're not going to chase this creep.

ChilliAndMint · 24/07/2015 17:44

OP : Original post/poster...you!

MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 17:45

Him not calling doesn't mean the end. it just means he's messing with your head. He'll be in touch when it suits.

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 17:49

ShebaShimmyShake I just laughed into my cup of tea reading your post...pissbaby;-)))

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avocadotoast · 24/07/2015 17:55

Why don't you just block his number? Don't even give him the option of getting in touch with you.

I feel for you, OP, but I think you also need to realise that liking certain things doesn't make you a good person.

Driving a Porsche, liking classical music, appreciating colours(!), eating fine food, cooking nice meals, drinking good wine... All of these are things that anyone could do. You could do all of these things and be an absolute sweetheart, or you could do all of these things and be a top notch dickwad. A person's behaviour and attitudes reveal who they are, not the car they drive or the money they have in the bank.

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 18:05

MyDogAteMyBelt No, I think he is a crap partner but we're harsh. I think if he decides to break up, he will once and for all. He will not be begging or texting in the meantime....

I am not defending him, but he is not a complete monster and doesn't deserve ALL hate we gave him.

One other thing I forgot to add: in bed he asked a lot of a BJ, even if I did not feel like it...it is an intimate thing to do and I feel you should know someone better... He asked for it and cajoled me to go with it every time...I still don't like it thinking about how forceful he was. I was falling in love so did it with happiness.

He never returned the favour, because he said it tastes not very nice (on any girl). I asked if it's the smell or a shower issue and he said no, just doesn't like it. I felt like double standards. Plus no one ever said it before....

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MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 18:12

OP, I didn't think for one minute that he'll come back "begging".

MyDogAteMyBelt · 24/07/2015 18:12

Why don't you just block his number? Don't even give him the option of getting in touch with you.

^^

ShebaShimmyShake · 24/07/2015 18:21

Katie, let me tell you a secret about abusers.

They are never awful all the time. They always have some kind of redeeming quality (usually, they're nice when everyone is bowing and scraping to them). It doesn't matter. The fact that they are actually capable of being decent means it's worse than they choose not to be when things get difficult. They are complicated beings, certainly, but they are abusive nonetheless. And this munter has called you disgusting names, refers to you as 'rich pussy' to his friends, thinks it's funny to talk about murdering women and is rude to waiters.

Oh, he's sometimes nice and sweet? SO ARE ALL ABUSERS. It's how they keep their victim status in their minds (confront him and I guarantee he'll blame it all on some sob story from 30 years ago), convince themselves they're really misunderstood good guys and that they're not really responsible for their horrible actions (if only everyone else would just work around THEM!). It's how they keep you in just enough doubt about their vileness to make you stay and doubt yourself.

He is a pig, a leech, a misogynist, a scrub and a violent minded shithead. I don't care how much Beethoven he plays or how nice his cars and suits. Get rid and block him. Now.

schlong · 24/07/2015 18:24

Is he called Patrick Bateman?? F me. Get. Rid. Of. NOW.

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 18:27

He just called, no VM. Sent a text saying What's up? Why are you ignoring my texts. It's not nice to end via text.

In agony.

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FantasticButtocks · 24/07/2015 18:27

I think if he decides to break up Why wait for him to decide? You could take control of your own life here and dump him.

Jen1610 · 24/07/2015 18:30

You need to stay strong. Do NOT reply! You will go see him face to.face to break up and he will manipulate you in to not doing it.

This guy is really bad news.

MiniTheMinx · 24/07/2015 18:34

Selfish in bed too...he just sounds better and better. What do you mean by being forceful? This is "horrendous"

Ignore the calls, ignore. Give it a little while and then text back a simple text to end it. I wouldn't probably block and lose number just yet if it was me, not until I had preggers test and STD checks and the all clear, then I would block.

ShebaShimmyShake · 24/07/2015 18:35

Yes! This is your chance, Katie.

"I am not returning your texts because we are no longer in a relationship. You make me feel like an old matron with your lack of affection, you 'joke' about women being inferior and shooting them, you are rude to waiters, you called me an arsehole and a dick and described me to your mates as a 'rich pussy'. Do not contact me again to justify this and tell me why it's all ok really. I am no longer your girlfriend and as of this moment I am blocking your number. Goodbye."

And no, don't go to do it face to face. Jen is right, he will use the opportunity to manipulate you. Once that text is sent, there is no need to engage any further. Stay away.

KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 18:39

Who is Patrick Bateman?

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KatieMaddocks · 24/07/2015 18:41

I know. Hard though. He will not drive up to my flat. Just text and then prob nothing....

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ptumbi · 24/07/2015 18:51

It's not nice to end via text. So what? You are never going to see him again, (right?) so who cares what he thinks?

Don't go and see him out of some desire to be the 'good guy', doing the 'right thing' by him.

Twinklestein · 24/07/2015 18:53

Don't indulge it Katie, just block his number, his email and all social media.

Go out for the evening. Distance yourself from the whole thing.

HirplesWithHaggis · 24/07/2015 18:53

Patrick Bateman.

Jen1610 · 24/07/2015 18:55

Good, that is a positive.

I know it's so hard but he is not the sort of person you should plan a future with. As you have said you are 35 and you feel your biological click is ticking so you can not waste time on relationships that aren't right. Call your friends and get out this weekend for drinks and let your hair down.

Do none of your friends partners have single eligible bachelor's they could set you up with?

GoldfishSpy · 24/07/2015 19:06

run for the hills

HPsauciness · 24/07/2015 19:08

I thought everyone knew the 'rude to waiters' test to weed out dickheads?

LeoandBoosmum · 24/07/2015 19:17

Katie, please wake up. Please read your messages back! Stop giving this man credit where it's not due! He is not a nice person. Stop downplaying the horrible things he's said and done.
Sheba is absolutely right too, abusers can be very charming...it's a tactic used by them to manipulate you/ make you feel conflicted (ie when he's nice he's so nice, he cooks, he's kind, he doesn't mean any harm etc)
I wouldn't enter into any kind of explanation with him, in person or via text, apart from texting to tell him it is not working out for you, you won't be changing your mind and if he continues to text or contact you will consider it harassment. You owe him nothing at all!
I know it's hard but you will be doing the right thing for you. We can all see it here.
I know you are keen to settle down - but that should not mean settling for a misogynistic, selfish and unkind man. Perhaps if you don't try too hard (and socialise with friends/ get some outside interests) a happy and healthy relationship will happen naturally.

gymbummy · 24/07/2015 19:17

Katie... I've skim read all these comments. Your good points: Successful career and fluent in 4 languages, financially secure, articulate, good looking. You are also apparently quite capable of standing up for yourself and not being a complete doormat - on an anonymous forum anyway.

His good points: No, haven't seen anything. I could write an essay on his bad points.

I get that at 35 you want marriage and kids, but why pick this knob head? Do you really want to be posting in a year's time to say nothing has changed except you've got a baby and a custody battle?

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