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Did I overreact?

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ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 13:00

I have been on here for 10 years but have name changed for this. I have never posted on relationships before but have been reading it for years.

DH and I have been together for 16 years, married for 12 and have x2 DCs aged 10 and 5.

The last 10 years have been rough. Horrific sleep deprivation for me. A nasty injury whilst heavily pregnant, underlying health problems with DC1 and severe mental illness for me which has basically swallowed up 2 years of my life.

Over the years, DH has stepped up doing things on a practical level, but he has never been any use at supporting me emotionally. It is no surprise that our sex life was non existant for many years.

I was exhausted, stressed, turned off by his complaining if I said no, feeling like a burst blow up doll when he sulked and huffed out of the room if there was nothing on the cards. All about him and his "needs". Comments about how men should be allowed a harem (basically saying you are no use to me, I wish I could fuck someone else). No thought to my needs for emotional closeness or cuddles with no pressure to have sex. None. No thoughts like Jeez, my wife is absolutely exhausted and falls asleep in the car any time we drive further than a couple of miles, what can I do to help her.

After I became mentally ill, the pressure to have sex stopped, thank god. I assumed he was masturbating, which I have no issue with and I guessed he was probably using porn, which I do have an issue with, and he knows it, but I was in no position to address the issue. Sometimes, getting through the day was a struggle enough.

Anyway, DC1 now has access to the laptop, so we put parental controls on the broadband a while back and it blocks dodgy stuff on any devices using the wifi. It is my email address which is the log in for the providers website and I started getting emails telling me that my parental web controls had been changed. Always when I was out, always in pairs around half an hour to an hour apart, presumably the controls being switched off then back on again. No prizes for guessing why they were being changed.

This went on for a while and I changed the password with the broadband provider and also my email password so that he couldn't change the controls. I thought it might prompt a conversation if he asked me what the password was. We are normally open with all our passwords etc and it was out of character for me to change them without telling him, but nothing from him asking why.

So, last night, I left the house to go to my usual thing I do on a Tuesday. The kids were both away on sleepovers. I got as far as the car then realised I had forgotten to bring a letter that I was going to post and went back to the house a few seconds later for it, only to find the door locked which was a total giveaway. I had left my email open on the laptop by mistake and it later turned out that he was straight in there resetting the password with the broadband provider so he could change the parental controls. And of course when I arrived where I was going, I saw there was an email on my phone confirming that the settings had been changed.

I am finally well and I have now got the mental strength and physical energy to deal with this, so when I got in (late) I went through his wallet, his email account, his facebook, his other email account. I picked up his phone and had a look through that. Nothing to be found other than some dodgy looking spam email which had been deleted, unread. I get spam for viagra and hot chicks looking for sex and all that, so I know that it happens innocently. I am the named account holder for both our mobiles and I have full access to the details of his calls and texts. Again, nothing.

My issue is that I have no idea what he has been doing while the parental controls are switched off. It could be "just" some porn, or it could be sex chats or web camming or hook up sites or anything. I've been on here long enough to know what some blokes are capable of. Secret email addresses, secret credit cards, affairs, prostitues etc etc. Like I say, I am not naive about what can be going on right under the wife's nose.

Anyway, he woke up when I picked up his phone so I had it out with him. He lied at first saying he was on a facebook group from when he was in the military (he was, and is on 3 such groups) and sometimes there were dodgy videos on there that he needed to switch the controls off to see. I had already looked through the groups on his facebook account and there is some nudity and stuff, but I saw nothing posted in the last 2 years that would be blocked.

But, it was a red rag to a bull for me. He lied. I know that they lie then minimise. It is the script.

I gave him the opportunity to tell all and said in no uncertain terms that he had better explain everything because if I find anything else that you have failed to mention then it is over.

He said he had "only" been looking at some normal porn and definitely nothing dodgy or illegal. I asked what constituted "normal porn" and he said lesbian sex, only free stuff, he'd never paid for anything online etc etc.

All our bank accounts are held jointly, we go through them regularly together and there have never been any suspicious transactions or withdrawals of cash that can't be explained, or even a tenner here and there that could be stashed. His salary is paid straight in every month and I see his payslips and P60 when I do the tax figures and deal with all the admin. I am at home during the day and there has never been any mail or anything else that has ever made me suspicious. There are two women at his work, the rest are men. One is gay and the other is a lot older than him, so I really don't think there's anything going on there. I've met all his colleagues.

He struggles with neck and shoulder pain and has been a couple of time for a Thai massage which he agreed doesn't look good. But, I have seen the payments leaving the bank account and there is nothing I can find anywhere on Google to suggest that this place is anything other than legitimate. Unless I am looking in the wrong places!

He says he only looks on his phone, never on any of the other devices that the kids can use, and of course with private browsing, there is no history to be found anyway.

He probably is telling the truth, but I have no way of knowing 100% what he's up to. The fact that he didn't even twig that I was getting emails every time he changed the controls kind of tells me that he would probably be shit at hiding things if there was anything going on. But again, I have the niggle from what I have read on here over the years and I know I would be foolish and naive to trust him 100%

Did I overreact and what do we do now?

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Bakeoffcake · 08/07/2015 17:36

Gosh, the more to you say about him the worse he sounds. What did he do to your DS?

And I don't think you have to get rid of your seething resentment. I'd use that resentment to get rid of him.

DorisDazzler · 08/07/2015 17:38

People will always try to get away with stuff and if you don't assert yourself they will take advantage. Sometimes the anger we feel about people taking advantage is actually anger at ourselves for putting up with it. It might be worth sitting down and working out what is annoying typical stuff and what is serious incidents of neglect.

Sometimes we believe things about ourselves and others that are simply not true. This website might help you to deal with some of your unhappy beliefs that are causing you pain.thework.com/

Jan45 · 08/07/2015 17:40

Nope, people that love and care for their partner are not always trying to get away with stuff, this is her husband of 16 years, not some acquaintance out to take advantage.

hedgehogsdontbite · 08/07/2015 17:46

I think you get rid of the resentment by not focusing on it. Stop putting the past under a microscope and start looking to the future. What do you want your future to look like? Is your husband in it? I suspect not but that can't admit that to yourself, which is why you're looking for us to tell you to ltb.

Jan45 · 08/07/2015 17:47

Well said hedge.

ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 17:48

He has always been a bit rough handling the kids. Goes on and on and on at Dc1 about trivial things. Blames DC1 for all sorts of things and basically bullies him. On this occasion, he shoved Dc1 over. Sure, dc1 was being a bit cheeky, but ffs, you do not push your kid over in anger. Ever.

Give DH his due, it gave him a massive fright and he has changed his attitude completely and the house is a much happier place. Or was.

I was finally feeling well, had some energy, bought new clothes, actually started feeling like having sex actually did a few times. I was hoping that we had turned a corner.

But he still sneaked onto look at porn before I had barely shut the door.

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DorisDazzler · 08/07/2015 17:51

Yes he is her husband of 16 years. That's exactly my point. If he didn't care about her I'm sure he would have left when she was ill. Instead he's stood by her and supported her, perhaps not in the way she needed , but he's tried. And of course people take advantage of each other. I know full well it's my turn to cook tonight but I don't want to so I'll let my spouse do it. I don't think there's a parent alive who didn't once pretend to be asleep when the baby cried hoping their spouse would get up instead.

ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 18:03

Anyway, I have to go to work. Back later.

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StaircaseAtTheUniversity · 08/07/2015 18:41

I do think you overreacted. But I also think there's a massive gulf between the two of you in terms of your expectations and ideas about what a marriage is. I'm not sure you can stay together as you clearly think so differently. Not and be happy, anyway.

Cabrinha · 08/07/2015 19:06

Just end your marriage.
You don't like him.
Whether he looks at porn or not, what does that matter now?

FWIW, of course anyone has a right to set out their terms for staying in a relationship. I'm not a fan of porn use myself. So you have the right to say no porn, and leave him for it. But honestly, I think it's unreasonable to have a permanent withdrawal from a sex life (it sounds permanent) AND dictate no porn.
And by that I don't mean that you should have sex when you don't want to. I mean that you should accept that your relationship is over.

Maybe there are things that could be worked out, but it doesn't sound like it.

missqwerty · 08/07/2015 22:04

Yes you over reacted. Bit what puzzles me is the lengths you goto to berate him into been who you want him to be. Seems all about control rather then what's best for your relationship.

It's almost like you hate him but you think if you nag him enough he will start behaving. Maybe your not wrong, maybe he isn't. Just maybe your wrong for eachother.

I've had mental illness so I get your point on that, I get why you didn't want sex, I get why he chose to watch porn. Have u ever thought maybe this whole situation Is partly your fault too? As in your posts you are he'll bent in having people see how bad he is, yet when people sympathise with him you seem sort of aggressive and rude. Like you expect everybody to see the world through your eyes and nobody else can have an opinion. I doubt very much he feels like an equal to you as your obsessive ways will make him feel like a naughty child with an over bearing parent. I think you lack self awareness though to take anything from the replies on this post. Which is a shame as some where spot on.

Childrenofthestones · 09/07/2015 00:06

Overreacted .

DrSethHazlittMD · 09/07/2015 08:49

This is, as a PP said, a classic AIBU situation.

OP: Did I overact?
Majority: Yes.
OP: I don't think I did. Here's why. Drip feed.
Majority: Still think you overacted.
OP: I don't think I did. Here's why. More drip feed.
Majority: Still think you overacted.
OP: I don't think I did. Here's why he is totally in the wrong. More drip feed.

Do we all think he is the perfect being? No. Few are. But it's a two-way street and the majority of us seem to be able to see how your relationship is from both sides. You don't.

I honestly think divorce would be best for BOTH of your mental health.

CarolPeletier · 09/07/2015 09:00

DrSeth is completely right!

Fearless91 · 09/07/2015 10:12

OP I haven't read all of the thread so I'm going off your reply to my post.

You're right my personal opinion towards porn doesn't really matter to you, but when you're posting a thread on here asking for opinions you can't become annoyed when you don't agree with an opinion different to yours. I'm going to be completely honest..

He knows you don't like porn. Okay. So what are his options? Live his life without sex AND without being allowed to watch porn? I'm sorry, I don't want to upset you, but I think that's highly unfair and unrealistic.

If I'm wrong I apologise but I do wonder if these parental controls you put on for your son were also put in place so that in your mind your H couldn't access anything either..

I think it's wrong you changed the password so he couldn't access anything such as porn etc. That's a form of control.

You've told him what you need from him in terms of support but you say he hasn't done it. Have you ever got help with any of your personal problems?? Again I'm not trying to upset you but his job is to support you, he isn't responsible for you emotions.

To be quite honest I feel for the guy. You've dealt with health issues which isn't your fault, but as you say he's very helpful and practical yet he's expected to live his life with no sex and being treated like a child by having no access to the parental controls?

I don't think the main issue here is him looking at porn. I think the biggest thing that needs resolving is your health. It is your responsibility to get help for your health problems. He can't do that.

But not having sex with your H, changing the parental controls password, not allowing him to look at porn. You are controlling him. From your posts on here it sounds as if you're determined for everyone to think he's the bad guy.

Jan45 · 09/07/2015 10:15

If you feel let down by your partner then no matter what anyone else says, and let's face it, we are going on what is said here, then that resentment can kill a relationship, if it's not a two way street then it's better to call time on the whole sorry affair.

You are not unreasonable for having those feelings OP, they come from somewhere and I think it's just a symptom of a failed relationship.

Fearless91 · 09/07/2015 10:55

Jan - you're right resentment does kill.

The OP has said her H has been very helpful and practical.

But it sounds as if in her opinion, that isn't good enough.

But just because she feels no better it doesn't mean he hasn't tried. He can try all he can, but at the end of the day it's up to the OP to help herself (mental health issues etc). He doesn't have a magic stick.

I don't think it's just the OP who has resentment.

Oh, and he insisted at the weekend that we all traipse everywhere together as a family, so there was no opportunity for me to catch up on sleep then either.

So he tries to do something nice, something that you all as a family can do together, but instead of seeing that as a positive thing you see it negatively and moan that because he wants to spend time as a family you can't sleep.

Going off that alone OP it sounds like whatever he does is never good enough.

I said I had no way of knowing what he has been doing online, whether that be porn, sex chats, web camming, hook up sites or anything else

Why do you need to know what he's doing online?! You don't have the right to police and monitor what he looks at. He isn't your child.
If my partner said to me he was upset that he Had no way of knowing what I was doing at online I would be gone.
You should trust him that he isn't on sex chats or whatever. But getting annoyed that you can't see what he's been doing online is not healthy.

You aren't happy he isn't happy. You have major resentment towards him and it seems as if whatever he does isn't good enough and because of that it effects him. All that along with the fact you don't have sex, you try to control what he looks at online, you change passwords to stop him accessing things, I think this relationship ended a long time ago. But I think until you get proper help OP you're never going to be happy.

Jan45 · 09/07/2015 11:29

From what I have read I'd say neither of them have treated each other very nicely, it's not just the OP.

ToTrustOrNot · 09/07/2015 12:38

Have you actually read the bit where I said that I am now well, started taking care of my appearance, lost the weight that the medication piled on, have actually got some energy and we had actually been having some sex?

I am also back working doing something I really enjoy which I am good at which has helped me enormously with my confidence and self esteem. Things were finally heading towards normal at last.

I hear what you are all saying. Yes he had a hard time too. Yes it was crap for him having no sex. Yes I probably have been difficult to live with. Many if you are calling me controlling and I accept that changing the password probably was but I did it with the intention of getting things out in the open. I have learned from the past (even long before we had kids) that he will not communicate about stuff unless something drastic triggers it.

I have never looked through any of his things before. The fact that we use the same passwords for most things, leave email/facebook etc open on the laptop was enough for me. I would have no issue with him looking at my phone/email/facebook etc. Yes, even this thread.

I saw red when he lied to me though. Nobody likes being lied to.

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PeppermintPasty · 09/07/2015 12:53

Erm, he hit your child? 'Shoved' him over. That puts everything else in the shade.

DrSethHazlittMD · 09/07/2015 13:05

OP, I don't get what you want from us? You asked us if you overacted and most of us thought you did. You continually argued that you weren't, that he had been totally unreasonable for years, drip fed more and more "facts" to try and persuade us you were right - which most of us still didn't - and now you have a go at us for apparently ignoring certain bits of some of your postings which you clearly think STILL paints a different picture to what we are seeing.

Clearly, both of you have been very unhappy for a very long time. I suspect it's is beyond saving and I suspect your DH would probably have left long before now if it wasn't for the kids. The best thing really, really, would be for you to split up, go separate ways, do the best parenting you can, but both of you try and have a few years of health and happiness while you still can.

ToTrustOrNot · 09/07/2015 13:15

Exactly peppermint, but you are the only person on the thread to have picked up on it.

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PeppermintPasty · 09/07/2015 13:23

I'm sorry, but it all sounds so unhappy, for all concerned. I'd be getting out asap.

DrSethHazlittMD · 09/07/2015 13:37

OP, we all read the bit about your DH shoving your child. Thing is, it came very late in the day after you drip fed other facts and actually - wrong though shoving a child is - it has nothing to do with the original question and doesn't actually change the opinion that most of us had, namely, yes you overreacted but two wrongs don't make a right, you are both clearly unhappy, so make yourselves happy and split up. Even Peppermint, the one person you seem to have "on your side" (in your own mind) thinks that!

ToTrustOrNot · 09/07/2015 13:39

Ok. I am unreasonable he is poor dh who got no sex.

How do we go about splitting?

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