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Did I overreact?

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ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 13:00

I have been on here for 10 years but have name changed for this. I have never posted on relationships before but have been reading it for years.

DH and I have been together for 16 years, married for 12 and have x2 DCs aged 10 and 5.

The last 10 years have been rough. Horrific sleep deprivation for me. A nasty injury whilst heavily pregnant, underlying health problems with DC1 and severe mental illness for me which has basically swallowed up 2 years of my life.

Over the years, DH has stepped up doing things on a practical level, but he has never been any use at supporting me emotionally. It is no surprise that our sex life was non existant for many years.

I was exhausted, stressed, turned off by his complaining if I said no, feeling like a burst blow up doll when he sulked and huffed out of the room if there was nothing on the cards. All about him and his "needs". Comments about how men should be allowed a harem (basically saying you are no use to me, I wish I could fuck someone else). No thought to my needs for emotional closeness or cuddles with no pressure to have sex. None. No thoughts like Jeez, my wife is absolutely exhausted and falls asleep in the car any time we drive further than a couple of miles, what can I do to help her.

After I became mentally ill, the pressure to have sex stopped, thank god. I assumed he was masturbating, which I have no issue with and I guessed he was probably using porn, which I do have an issue with, and he knows it, but I was in no position to address the issue. Sometimes, getting through the day was a struggle enough.

Anyway, DC1 now has access to the laptop, so we put parental controls on the broadband a while back and it blocks dodgy stuff on any devices using the wifi. It is my email address which is the log in for the providers website and I started getting emails telling me that my parental web controls had been changed. Always when I was out, always in pairs around half an hour to an hour apart, presumably the controls being switched off then back on again. No prizes for guessing why they were being changed.

This went on for a while and I changed the password with the broadband provider and also my email password so that he couldn't change the controls. I thought it might prompt a conversation if he asked me what the password was. We are normally open with all our passwords etc and it was out of character for me to change them without telling him, but nothing from him asking why.

So, last night, I left the house to go to my usual thing I do on a Tuesday. The kids were both away on sleepovers. I got as far as the car then realised I had forgotten to bring a letter that I was going to post and went back to the house a few seconds later for it, only to find the door locked which was a total giveaway. I had left my email open on the laptop by mistake and it later turned out that he was straight in there resetting the password with the broadband provider so he could change the parental controls. And of course when I arrived where I was going, I saw there was an email on my phone confirming that the settings had been changed.

I am finally well and I have now got the mental strength and physical energy to deal with this, so when I got in (late) I went through his wallet, his email account, his facebook, his other email account. I picked up his phone and had a look through that. Nothing to be found other than some dodgy looking spam email which had been deleted, unread. I get spam for viagra and hot chicks looking for sex and all that, so I know that it happens innocently. I am the named account holder for both our mobiles and I have full access to the details of his calls and texts. Again, nothing.

My issue is that I have no idea what he has been doing while the parental controls are switched off. It could be "just" some porn, or it could be sex chats or web camming or hook up sites or anything. I've been on here long enough to know what some blokes are capable of. Secret email addresses, secret credit cards, affairs, prostitues etc etc. Like I say, I am not naive about what can be going on right under the wife's nose.

Anyway, he woke up when I picked up his phone so I had it out with him. He lied at first saying he was on a facebook group from when he was in the military (he was, and is on 3 such groups) and sometimes there were dodgy videos on there that he needed to switch the controls off to see. I had already looked through the groups on his facebook account and there is some nudity and stuff, but I saw nothing posted in the last 2 years that would be blocked.

But, it was a red rag to a bull for me. He lied. I know that they lie then minimise. It is the script.

I gave him the opportunity to tell all and said in no uncertain terms that he had better explain everything because if I find anything else that you have failed to mention then it is over.

He said he had "only" been looking at some normal porn and definitely nothing dodgy or illegal. I asked what constituted "normal porn" and he said lesbian sex, only free stuff, he'd never paid for anything online etc etc.

All our bank accounts are held jointly, we go through them regularly together and there have never been any suspicious transactions or withdrawals of cash that can't be explained, or even a tenner here and there that could be stashed. His salary is paid straight in every month and I see his payslips and P60 when I do the tax figures and deal with all the admin. I am at home during the day and there has never been any mail or anything else that has ever made me suspicious. There are two women at his work, the rest are men. One is gay and the other is a lot older than him, so I really don't think there's anything going on there. I've met all his colleagues.

He struggles with neck and shoulder pain and has been a couple of time for a Thai massage which he agreed doesn't look good. But, I have seen the payments leaving the bank account and there is nothing I can find anywhere on Google to suggest that this place is anything other than legitimate. Unless I am looking in the wrong places!

He says he only looks on his phone, never on any of the other devices that the kids can use, and of course with private browsing, there is no history to be found anyway.

He probably is telling the truth, but I have no way of knowing 100% what he's up to. The fact that he didn't even twig that I was getting emails every time he changed the controls kind of tells me that he would probably be shit at hiding things if there was anything going on. But again, I have the niggle from what I have read on here over the years and I know I would be foolish and naive to trust him 100%

Did I overreact and what do we do now?

OP posts:
Jan45 · 08/07/2015 14:16

See I thought being in a marriage or a long term relationship meant having each other's back, being there emotionally, supporting each other - it doesn't mean, I have a direct right to sex with you regardless of how I am treating you - it takes hard work and effort to make a relationship happy, it just doesn't happen after being together for years, you both need to sit down and decide if it's worth saving, if not, get out, life is far too short.

coffeetasteslikeshit · 08/07/2015 14:22

I'm afraid that I think the same as pp's, that you have over reacted. It doesn't sound like a great relationship but I'm confused as to why you think he's having an affair.

SylvaniansAtEase · 08/07/2015 14:23

I think you're waking up, getting better and getting ready to leave a pointless marriage.

ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 14:26

I didn't say I thought he was having an affair.

I said I had no way of knowing what he has been doing online, whether that be porn, sex chats, web camming, hook up sites or anything else.

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Norest · 08/07/2015 14:30

I don't actually think it is that helpful to question whether you overreacted or not actually. You are entitled to how you feel, just as he is, especialy regarding porn. It doesn't sound like he is having an affair, but that he has been looking at porn.

The issue is your sex life and the resentment and hurt you feel for feeling that your needs have not been considered. It sounds like he is also resentful about how he views his sexlife. Could you both consider couples counselling? A way to reconnect so that you can rediscover some emotional intimacy, which could improve the relationship and probably your sex life to both your satisfaction?

No-one has a 'right' to sex just because they are married. However I also think for most couples a healthy and mutually fulfilling sex life is a massively important part of keeping together and enjoying the relationship. So it is down to both of you to start to work on the issues.

ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 14:35

We've done couples counselling.

Apparently we need to communicate more. No shit Sherlock.

We also saw a psychologist as part of my recovery treatment. She had no issues with my ability to communicate and express myself, DH however is crap at it. She worked with him alone on it, there was a slight improvement for, like 5 minutes, then back to the same old.

Communication is a two way street. I can try to communicate all I like, but if he can't hear, understand and communicate back, then I might as well be hitting my head off a brick wall.

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BlueBlueSea · 08/07/2015 14:38

Why do you need to know what he is doing online? Each person in a marriage is entitled to privacy.

kewtogetin · 08/07/2015 14:41

I think YABU. You have a pretty low opinion of your husband of many years to instantly assume the worst, hook up sites, brothels etc. if my husband changed the parental controls I would perhaps assume he was watching porn but you seem to think he MUST be doing something else, having an affair or seeing a prostitute.
I know a thing or two about mental health and the devastating effect it can have on a marriage, particularly on your sex life. No, he doesn't have a right to have sex with you but he does have a right as a human being to be sexual, feel sexual excitement and stimulation. You have absolutely no right to tell him he cannot watch porn. You don't like it? Fine, don't watch it. You don't have the right to refuse to sleep with him AND tell him he can't get sexual gratification through porn, that's unfair and you're being very controlling.
I think you're projecting a lot of your own insecurities about your marriage onto him, ie 'I'm not having sex with him so he MUST be having sex with someone else' hence your obsessiveness in 'trying to catch him out'. I think you both need to decide if you want to stay in this marriage first off and then go on from there.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 08/07/2015 14:45

OP... presumably you and your husband did used to be able to communicate effectively? I mean, you wouldn't have married somebody you didn't get on with/couldn't talk to - so what's changed? Is it just this illness that has been a catalyst? Do you think he feels that you blame him (it sounds a little as if you do), or that if he says what's on his mind it will tip you into your illness again?

I know that sometimes I can be dismissive and snappish with my husband and get the expected result. I watch myself doing it halfway through and catch myself then after the annoyance, I ask again, in a different way, making it clearer - and it's better. I'm not saying this is happening with your marriage but, if you aren't prepared to get help both of you and you're not communicating then you really don't have much choice but to split.

Maybe that kind of mediation counselling would be a better option? You need to both be good parents, not necessarily together - you don't know if you want to be with him, perhaps he feels the same way? Find a solution to this pressure, one way or the other because this is no way to live, not for you, your husband or your children.

ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 14:48

I did not say that "he must be having sex with someone else".

But it would be naive of me not to consider it a possibility, whether it be actual sex or interaction with somebody else online. Both of which constitute cheating.

He is not a stranger to the sex industry btw. He confessed years ago to visiting prostitutes when he was "young and stupid". At the time when he told me, I thought, oh well, none of my business, all before he met me. If I had my time again, I would have ended the relationship at that point.

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hedgehogsdontbite · 08/07/2015 14:55

Sorry but I think you're overreacting and your need to know every detail of what he's doing is unhealthy and very controlling. If my DH went through my phone and computer to check up on my internet use I'd go ballistic. It's a massive infringement of his privacy.

ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 15:00

Lying yes, we used to get on great. We had a lot of fun and laughs, admittedly a lot of it alcohol fuelled.

He was put out that he didn't get "enough attention" after DC1 was born. He has admitted that he was jealous of his own child. DC1 couldn't feed well, he didn't sleep through for years and years and as I mentioned before was ill a lot and had an underlying health problem.

Jealous of his own child. Incredible.

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kewtogetin · 08/07/2015 15:05

I'm unsure as to why you've posted TBH. It sounds like you have made your mind up about the marriage and have an awful lot of anger and resentment towards your husband. Maybe that's understandable but you're coming across as though you hate him so I'm wondering what you want to hear from posters?

hedgehogsdontbite · 08/07/2015 15:07

I think feeling jealous after the birth of a first child is pretty normal. You talk a lot about him not supporting you emotionally but it sounds like you don't support him either. Like here where he's shared that he was feeling jealous, which must be quite difficult to admit to. You sound quite dismissive and somewhat sneery about his feelings. To be honest, it doesn't sound like you like him very much.

hedgehogsdontbite · 08/07/2015 15:08

x post with kew

Stealthpolarbear · 08/07/2015 15:09

On the surface tabu. But the more you say about the history and how things are..you're both unhappy. Time to change

ToTrustOrNot · 08/07/2015 15:16

hedgehogs I did not have an ounce of energy to support him emotionally.

Relentless problems for 10 years, affecting me physically and mentally with no emotional support.

Where exactly was I supposed to find the resources to support him emotionally?

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Bunnysncats · 08/07/2015 15:32

I feel really sorry for you. I have similar views as you on the porn thing and have been in a similar situation, however my husband still gets sex on a regular basis and shouldn't need to look, but he does. He got a dongle (we have no passwords on the computer) God knows what he's doing on the internet, but it's a really horrible feeling that everytime your back is turned it's going on. He refuses to talk about it and storms off in the huff.
Everyone says you have been overreacting, and that's possible, but you have created a huge issue that you will find it difficult to overcome especially in this day and age where porn is everywhere and other people seem to be fine with it.
I agree with the other poster, go away for a few days and really invest some time in each other, show him you still fancy him. The porn thing won't go away, but if you start feeling fulfilled in your life in general it will become less of an issue maybe.

BlueBlueSea · 08/07/2015 15:32

You sound very unhappy. Your initial question about your over reaction to the internet situation seems to be the tip of the iceberg.

Do you think that you will be happier if you split up?

mommyof23kids · 08/07/2015 15:36

If my dh had been physically and mentally ill for 10 years and did not have any resources during that time to give to me I have to admit I would have left years ago.
Especially if I knew he was only with me because he didn't have the strength to leave. 10 years. God that is such a long time to live like that.

SugarOnTop · 08/07/2015 15:36

I had left my email open on the laptop by mistake and it later turned out that he was straight in there resetting the password with the broadband provider so he could change the parental controls.

in answer to your username and the above, no - i wouldn't trust him. how are you supposed to trust a man who is emotionally closed off and abusive, deceitful and a bare faced liar? If he refuses to interact with you then what other choice are you left with other than to try and find answers on your own? why couldn't he just admit he didn't care about your views and was going to carry on watching porn instead of sneaking and lying? he has no problems communicating when it suits him, telling you he wanted 'a harem'...seriously, what kind of man says that to his wife especially given everything else you've been through? he's not investing himself into this relationship and it doesn't look like he wants to be there.

what about having a break from each other for a bit? give you some headspace to figure out where you want to go with this without him draining your energy.

DorisDazzler · 08/07/2015 15:37

When someone is ill it affects everyone. My spouse has had similar issues and its incredibly difficult. You effectively become a single parent.You have to take on their responsibilities as well as your own. There's often financial issues and childcare issues. Friends drift away and its lonely , scary and frustrating. My spouse felt I didn't support him. I'm not a professional and could only do so much. I did the best I could with what I had at the time. I had no support and children to take care of , financial problems ect. I didn't want to burden my spouse with things so I shielded him from any stress.

Instead of focusing on what he didn't do , maybe look at what he DID do throughout that time. You do seem intent on seeing the worst in him. His feelings about the baby are valid. It wasn't just you that had relentless problems for ten years , you both did. You acknowledge you weren't able to offer him ANY support yet you seem incredibly angry that he also struggled to be supportive.

CatMilkMan · 08/07/2015 15:41

It sounds like you both have been having a very hard time in the past, I think you are over reacting and if things have been getting better and this is going to slow that down I think it's a massive waste of time and effort.
Im probably going to get flamed for this but I think he deserves more credit it seems like everything in your relationship is on your terms after your illness and after he stepped up and helped more can't you just let the porn go?
This is going to seem extremely harsh but if I was him I would be staying at a hotel for a few days now until you had a serious talk about the relationship.

CatMilkMan · 08/07/2015 15:43

"I said I had no way of knowing what he has been doing online"
If my DP was saying this after everything else you have said I would be ending the relationship.

CatMilkMan · 08/07/2015 15:44

Doris has said what I wanted to say in a much better and fairer way.

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