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Another sexless marriage

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FlimFlamatron · 07/06/2015 18:14

Hi all, looking for the collective wisdom of anonymous internet folk.

I'm a married guy in my mid-30s; my wife and I have been together for about 10 years. We've got two kids.

The issue of the day is a complete and utter lack of sex, verging now on abstinence. I couldn't accurately describe the frequency, but I think maybe 2 or 3 times in the last year? This has gone on, probably for about the last 2 or 3 years, only marginally better than that for the prior 4 or 5. Only really in the first few years of being together were were really having sex regularly. The sex we do have is singularly awful - all attempts at foreplay are rebuffed, and I'm urged to finish the deed as quickly as possible (which, given the usual frequency, is not that difficult!). She's not interested in any aspect of sex at all, giving or receiving.

Things really fell off a cliff though, once I made the decision (about a year ago) to stop even attempting to initiate. In all honesty I couldn't take the continued rejection, it was utterly humiliating. I knew it would be the death knell of the twice-a-year hurrah, but I had to do it for my own (vastly diminished) sense of pride.

Sounds terrible, but we otherwise have, I think, a good relationship. We're both young, reasonably attractive, have good jobs, a couple of great kids, live in a nice house and we're better off than most. The odd stress or strain, but nothing millions of ordinary people don't face every day. On paper, we're lucky. In case it needs spelling out, yes I more than pull my weight around the house. This isn't an issue.

I do really love my wife. She's funny, intelligent, good-looking, interesting. I love spending time with her. I love going out together, wherever. I just don't know why she's completely given up on this one aspect of the relationship.

We've talked endlessly and openly about this. She acknowledges the hurt and feelings of rejection this must cause. We've talked about possible causes - there's a bit of everything in there. Body image issues, post-pregnancy pain, tiredness, birth control etc. But at the end of the day, she says she simply cannot explain why she does not want to have sex. End of. Nothing to be done. Sad, but that's life.

It is causing huge issues in the marriage. My resentment is building; knowing that this isn't helpful on my part doesn't really stop me feeling it - like her rejection of sex, this is an emotional reaction that I'm not entirely in control of. I've tried taking it off the agenda for long periords to try to take the stress out of the issue for, but in my experience this simply means it gets pushed to the bottom of the priority list below pretty much everything else.

I'm at the point now where I feel I have to make a decision about whether to end the marriage. I can't really bear the thought of leaving my kids, and feel I'm going to end up the bad guy here with friends + family when I wasn't the one who unilaterally declared celibacy.

Is this ever solvable? The more I read about other people's experiences, the more depressed I get that this will ever be addressed, and the more I think I need to act now.

Any advice / thoughts gratefully received.

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cowbag1 · 10/06/2015 21:52

I second the contraception point.

My libido was very low for about 10 years but we managed sex about once a month. I tried several contraceptive pills but each one seemed to affect my sex drive so in the end I just stuck with one and tried to ignore the sex issue.

DS is 6mo and as we want to start TTC DC2 in a few months, we decided to use condoms only. My libido seems to have gone through the roof, or rather, it's returned to it's normal state without the interference of artificial hormones. I now feel silly for not trying to solve the issue sooner and i feel lucky that my DH has been sympathetic.

OP you should really rule out any contraception issues; I think side effects from the pill can often be underplayed because it's such a popular form of birth control. If you're finished having children, could one of you consider sterilisation?

I think you will feel much more at peace with ending your marriage if you know you've both worked together and tried everything you can. But a frank discussion is needed first and foremost.

juneau · 11/06/2015 14:44

Yes, that's a valid point about contraception actually. I was on the pill for years before having kids and it was fine - it didn't affect my sex drive at all. However, when I went back on after having DS2 my sex drive completely disappeared. I was also grumpy as hell! I waited three months to see if it would improve, but it didn't, so I threw the pills away and we make do with condoms. There was a thread from MNHQ a few months back asking for women's anecdotal evidence on exactly that issue and it made very interesting reading. Basically, there were LOADS of us who'd had the same experience with hormonal contraception.

Eekaman · 12/06/2015 10:14

fuck me queenruth.....

That has to be the best ever MN post. Ever. It's so completely far from the mark of rational thought, common sense or logic...

''A man, on the other hand, doesn't need to physically bear a child. He just has to impregnate the woman, so his libido is as strong as his blood pressure allows, right up until old age.''

So, according to your logic, women lose their libido after giving birth - the two are somehow connected, so women only have sex to procreate, then after that, there's no libido?

Sorry, but thats just crackers.

And flimflam, how are you going pal? Making any progress?

FlimFlamatron · 12/06/2015 15:06

No progress; she's very resentful that I'm refusing to drop the issue. It was always a high-risk strategy, but don't really see the alternative.

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camaleon · 12/06/2015 15:46

Wow.. Does she suggest anything else or just want you to ignore this? How would she feel if you did not care at all about it? You must have other issues in your marriage. I can't even imagine any partner urging me to ignore sex or urging me 'to finish'. There are so many facets of a sexual relationship.
Do you have a plan for yourself? It must be really horrible.

HelenaDove · 12/06/2015 15:50

Exactly Eekaman And how would it explain the thousands of women who dont want children but still want and have sex.

FlimFlamatron · 12/06/2015 15:56

@camaleon

She's very angry that I would risk everything over "just sex". Maybe she's right, I'm sure many people would just carry on and be happy with what they have. Don't think I can be one of those people, however.

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juneau · 12/06/2015 16:11

Well, at least if you lay you cards on the table she can't say that you left without any warning and you can walk away knowing that you made your feelings perfectly clear and she still chose to do nothing.

DioneTheDiabolist · 12/06/2015 16:14

OP, book an appointment with a Sex Therapist for the both of you. Even if you just attend an assessment, the therapist should be able to give you both clarity on the situation and the options open to you.

Good luck.

BettyCatKitten · 12/06/2015 16:22

Yes. Sex therapy is a good idea, where she can explore her feelings.

camaleon · 12/06/2015 16:40

You can try the sex therapy idea. If she is not willing to make any effort for something that is important to you (and to many other people, you are not expecting something ridiculously weird) you will have to make a final decision in whatever direction.

Many of us would be unable to face a lifetime of no sex, no intimate caresses, no effort from our partner to fix a big problem in the relationship. It could be house chores or free time to go to the gym. And, in my books, this is way more important than any of those.

JugglingLife · 12/06/2015 16:43

Flim, is it time to show her this thread? Sounds like you have nothing to lose at this point.

My DH and I do not dtd enough, but when we do we are very compatible. Our issue is just life, we are very busy. Your earlier description of the lack of foreplay or climax and the urge to 'get it over with' is of far greater concern I think. Has it always been this way?

camaleon · 12/06/2015 16:46

Exactly juggling.. the frequency is not the most remarkable part of the situation, as described by Flim. All the other details are pointing out to a much bigger issue. Some people may want more or less sex. Hardly anybody would want sex of any kind the way is portrayed here.

lovespuds · 12/06/2015 17:08

If it's "just sex" why doesn't she get some help to start "just doing it"?!

Sorry. I think you're right in making it clear that this is a problem that needs to be addressed and resolved.

NickAngel · 12/06/2015 17:14

Hi OP
I may not have read while thread in detail so apologies if this is a daft question but do you get along day to day with your wife? Is there intimacy during the day, little cuddles or affection or compliments? Are they rebuffed?

FlimFlamatron · 12/06/2015 17:18

We did get on ok (before this particular escalation), but there was not much in the way of affection. We used to be very affectionate towards each other but that withered with the sex - probably because she was scared I'd take it as an invitation - which, admittedly I often did during the early days of drought, only to be shot down.

Such a negative spiral of behaviour :(

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Fairenuff · 12/06/2015 17:28

Make sure that she understands the message that you are giving her.

It's not 'have sex with me or I'll leave' it's 'seek therapy regarding your lack of sexual desire or I'll leave'. She should never feel pressured into any kind of sexual contact that she doesn't want but it is reasonable to ask her to address the problem.

Or alternatively 'Confirm that you just don't fancy me any more and I'll leave'.

To be honest, from what you've said I don't think she will seek therapy because I think she probably just knows that she doesn't feel attracted to you any more and that the relationship will have to end. I expect she is putting it off because it's not really what either of you want but it is inevitable in the end.

You could always suggest a trial separation where you are both free to experiment with other people. If she gets her libido back with someone else at least she will know it's not medical and you will be happy to walk away from this relationship knowing that there was nothing more you could do to work on in.

Likewise, you could start having sex with other people and see if it is worth leaving the family for.

JugglingLife · 12/06/2015 18:45

Flim, could it be that she literally does not know how to get back on track now? My gut feeling is that if this is the last chance then you will need to do the running and maybe get shot down. You need to tell her how it is going to be. You need to tell her that there is not going to be any sex until she asks for it. You need to tell her that whilst there is not going to be sex there is going to be intimacy. Cuddles to start, moving on slowly from there. If she is not willing to do even this then you need to accept that she has checked out. Does that make sense? Thanks for starting this thread by the way, it's given me a kick up the jacksy.

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