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DH has left again

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:34

Third time in as many years. He sat me down last night and said he was unhappy and thought we should separate. I asked him what he was unhappy about and what I needed to change. It was difficult to pin him down to anything but then it came out: he wants me to do things for him like sew buttons back onto his shirts and fix his trousers when there's a hole in the pocket or the hem has dropped. That's it. He wants to put me through all this again because of a few buttons. It's so incredibly pathetic I would laugh if I wasn't crying.

What it actually boils down to is that he wants to feel respected as the manly head of the household, even if he hasn't put it like that. As I told him last night, it's difficult to respect him when I feel like his mother: organising everything, picking up after him, reminding him of essential things that need doing for the kids, coming into the kitchen many days to find it full of dirty crockery from the day(s) before (I cook, he washes up), struggle to tidy up because the bins are overflowing (his job) and have to cajole him into coming out with the kids instead of sticking on a DVD and lying on the sofa all weekend. I have tried and tried in as many ways as I could think of to make things easy for him and do things for him but get ground down by the sheer laziness of his response. The more I do, the less he bothers.

I said I would do everything around the house if that would stop the arguments and resentment, just to be stonewalled with 'it won't work'. I asked him to try doing the household chores he had agreed to do, consistently, and got 'it won't work'.

I pointed out that I had supported him in going to the gym every morning before work and going out with his friends several nights a week so that he gets his own time. Apparently 'it's not that'.

I said how hurt I was that he had complained about what I cooked so I only made the things he said he wanted but he still orders pizza for himself. How hurt I am that when I did as he asked and made his lunches he didn't eat them, preferring to get fast food instead. 'Shrug'.

The fact is that he has a pretty cushy life but, as he repeatedly points out, he is the 'breadwinner' while I only work because I want to, so anything wrong around the house is immediately my fault for not being wifely enough.

I ended up screaming into my pillow with sheer frustration. He didn't come to bed and this morning he wasn't in the house and his car has gone.

Another fall to the tax office to sort out tax credits tomorrow. Another time trying to keep myself together for the kids, dealing with their anxieties over their dad being gone, pretending that he's in meetings or at the gym every evening. Dealing with my parents' disappointment again.

I'm sorry this is an essay. I don't want anything, just needed to get it out.

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tribpot · 28/10/2015 21:05

I would be running this past a lawyer as well, I would hate to think what this might mean. Do you know what your position is with regards to any business debt? I know you said there was money in the business accounts but given his previous form for non-payment of bills this wouldn't inspire confidence.

K1mberly · 28/10/2015 21:05

That's good that you've resigned Harry . Did you get your money out of the company ? ( assuming you are a shareholder )

Some or all of the company will be a marital asset , so you have rights to that too

AndHarry · 28/10/2015 21:09

I really don't know anything firm about the company's value, assets or liabilities but judging from the various letters that have turned up here, it owes money to a supplier and HMRC. I resigned as the secretary and signed my shares over to H because I didn't want any part of it.

Crap. Lawyering up...

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tribpot · 28/10/2015 21:32

Major arse covering needed here if it owes money to HMRC. You really can't have any meaningful discussion about dividing up the assets if you don't know what debts there are in one of the assets. I would certainly be extremely hesitant to give him half the house when you gave him half the business for nothing.

To be clear, he used someone else's address on your street as the company address for a month? I wonder if that is fraudulent. Were you a director at that point?

K1mberly · 28/10/2015 21:36

It would have been good to lawyer up before signing over anything to your STBX. However AFAIK as you are still married, it's still a marital asset .

Please don't sign or agree anything else without legal advice . I know the fees are a nightmare , but the alternative could be much more expensive

AndHarry · 28/10/2015 21:50

No, I had resigned by then.

I just wanted to keep this simple. I don't care about his money. I do care about my home. Clearly, I need some serious legal advice, which I will now be getting.

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tribpot · 28/10/2015 22:01

You also care about not being landed with his debts (again). This isn't about grabbing his money, it's about protecting yourself from the fact he doesn't have any.

I think Companies House would be interested in the use of the fake address - the people living there should consider reporting him I think.

K1mberly · 28/10/2015 22:13

I'm not sure if it's that simple, depends when the debt was incurred . It really needs a lawyer .

Sorry you must think I'm on commission from the law society

K1mberly · 28/10/2015 22:16

Harry - it's not HIS money. If you are married, it's your money too . And you need to care about it , because it's for your kids . You can't afford to be all noble about it

AndHarry · 28/10/2015 22:38

Are you in fact on commission from the Law Society? :o

Looking back, I've immediately jumped every time he's asked for something: changing contact times, doing extra drop-offs, handing over the shares, setting up house valuations and an appointment with a mortgage advisor. Arghhh! Can I ship him to Oz?

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K1mberly · 28/10/2015 22:50

Of course you are still dancing to his tune, he's trained you well . It's a hard habit to break ....

That's one of the reasons I love MN. It's a voice of sanity, in a world telling us that it's all about the menz.

MN says " actually women are people too . And what about the kids ? "

No wonder Jeffrey and his pals hate us

AndHarry · 28/10/2015 23:02

tribpot I'm sure it was a typo rather than a deliberate decision to register the business at a neighbour's house. It should be fixed though, just not to my address!

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tribpot · 28/10/2015 23:18

Can I ship him to Oz?

No, but you can (metaphorically) ship your guilt there. That's what's making you jump to his tune, you feel guilty (despite the fact he left you) that the marriage is over because you won't forgive him yet-a-bloody-gain for the same failings.

More importantly, by not standing up to him you're letting him know he still holds the balance of power in the relationship. You need to start saying no. Repeatedly. It's not about being obstructive or difficult, it's about saying (to use the MN phrase) "that doesn't work for me".

AndHarry · 31/10/2015 00:35

Well, he's turning nasty very quickly. I've been ignoring his calls for the past few days so eventually he sent me an email with some practical questions about DD's party and then this:

Also I would like to know whether or not you are going to answer my calls in future so I am aware whether I need to make other arrangements speak with the children not. I am happy to text in future and they use your phone to call me back if you don't want to speak to me apart from by text or email. However if you are willing to accept my calls we can continue as we have been.

Thanks, STBexH

To which I replied:

The children are always allowed to call you when they ask. It would be better if you pre-arranged calls when you would like to speak to them at other times.

AndHarry

He's gone berserk.

Thanks for responding,

I'm not going to pre arrange calls, that is ridiculous! Since when do I need to arrange to speak with my children, I only see them 2x a week.

This game has gone far enough and needs to stop, don't start using the children to get at me! The children are young so it is more likely that they won't ask to call me but it is important for them to speak to me and keep that communication open.

If you're going to be like this AndHarry and start changing things because you think you can then everything will change.

Luckily, I was out with a friend when that came through and she reassured me that he was being a jerk, so I just ignored it. I dislike being threatened, especially when my supposed 'game' is a figment of his imagination and so far I've bent over backwards to accommodate his demands.

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Suninseptember · 31/10/2015 00:49

AndHarry,

I'm very new to this forum but I've read this thread and have de lurked and signed up to say that you are giving this man too much air time. You are giving him opportunities to be have like this. The power is in your hands. Use it and let him know what the rules are. Those rules won't just be for him though, they are for you too because it seems like you pay too much attention to what he says.
This is the type of man that you need to be curt. You've been with him for years and he knows how to play you and you need to work out a way to stop him getting a rise out of you.
You're doing really really well. I was in your shoes with a verbally and mentally abusive man even after we'd split up. He would use the children or anything that he knew meant something to me just to hear my voice or get a rise out of me. Anything to him was better than nothing.
You know what I did?
I set ground rules and stuck to them. To this day he now knows that those trick don't work. When I drew the line, he saw a new woman. Going back to lurking now.
Good luck. Flowers

AndHarry · 31/10/2015 10:12

Thankyou for delurking :)

I find it tiresome that we have a row of some sorts and I can guarantee that the next day he will call 'to talk to the children'. He is trying to get a rise and to assert that he sets the rules. I don't mind him calling to talk to them, I think it's important that they have a good, secure relationship but I don't think it's reasonable for him to expect us to drop what we're doing - bath time, a story, a day out - whenever he wants to have a lengthy chat. I don't think it's too much to ask that he checks whether it's convenient first and accepts that sometimes it may not be.

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tribpot · 31/10/2015 10:23

I think having a pre-arranged time for a call is very sensible - it makes it possible for you to plan and for the dc to know when their dad is going to be in touch.

If he wants to call on an ad hoc basis, I would get another mobile and have him call that. Your own phone shouldn't be constantly full of his bile.

FrancesNiadova · 31/10/2015 10:35

AndHarry your DC are 2 & 5, so what you are trying to establish is a clear routine.
Their lives have turned upside down & as a good mother, you understand that regular, established routines will help your DC cope with all the changes. STBXH has yet to realise this, perhaps he doesn't have your skills or experience of parenting.
Screenshot his text & use it as evidence against him.
KOKO Flowers

ifyouregoingthroughhell · 31/10/2015 17:54

It's time to stop negotiating with a known liar.
Seek proper legal advice.
You may find his debts, are your debts.
I know you don't think like he does, but that's the only way to get through this.
Do not be surprised by anything he does, and expect the worse.
Makes it easier when it happens.
I'm currently waiting for the next unexpected bucket of shit to come my way !

AndHarry · 14/11/2015 16:02

I am so sick of his stupid games over this maintenance. Last week he wanted to pay me in instalments, today he wants to deduct £25 because he bought presents for birthday parties the children attended on one of his weekends. Happily, I've channeled this thread and told him no.

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Kr1stina · 14/11/2015 17:11

Oh dear Harry ! You mean you didn't phone his up to ask what presents he thought appropriate , buy them , wrap them and deliver them for him ??? You weren't actually expecting him to parent on the weekend when he has his own kids , were you ?

How unreasonable of you Shock

tribpot · 14/11/2015 17:18

Quite right, Kr1stina - I'm surprised AndHarry isn't meant to have done a year's worth of Moonpig cards already so that he doesn't have to worry about sending those either.

He's not actually paying you maintenance for days when the dc are with him, is he? I thought that was how the overnight rule was used to calculate maintenance payments.

AndHarry · 14/11/2015 17:39

No, he's paying - or not - based on the number of nights he has them. I've recommended that he contacts his solicitor or the child maintenance service so that they can explain to him how child maintenance works.

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Kr1stina · 14/11/2015 17:41

Excellent suggestion , andharry

AndHarry · 14/11/2015 18:03

I have to share the text conversation we had about it. It's a classic. He makes out that he's doing me a favour by making random deductions.

AndHarry I bought 2 presents for the parties today. Both came to £25. I'm going to need to deduct this from the maintenance this month as it is really tight. I understand you wouldn't have had time to get the presents so did this. Thanks, STBxH

Me:

No that's not ok. You are responsible for the children's costs when you have them.

Him:

I agree in normal circumstances, however this month I have covered the cost of a big party and all food, cake, prizes etc, then a birthday meal for DD the next day, now this week 2 birthday presents. Yes, my weekends have fallen on busier weekends and yes I said I would plan a party for DD, however I cannot subsidise everything when I'm giving a good amount for child maintenance which goes towards things like the occasional present, clothes, food, activities. In future on occasion i don't mind as I am not unreasonable and have the best interests of the children at heart but i can't do it all at once and can't do it this month. DD and DS seem to both have colds so I've given them Calpal and will put them to bed early so they are fresh for tomorrow. See you tomorrow.

Me:

You don't seem to understand how child maintenance works. I suggest you talk to your solicitor or the child maintenance service so they can explain it to you. To reiterate, I expect the full amount due tomorrow.

Him:

Standing orders pay out on work days AndHarry [maiden name, which I haven't used in the last 7 years]. Yeah you're probably right I should research and understand more how child maintenance works. Thanks for advice

Me:

You're welcome.

So he clearly thinks that his research will unearth some new ways for him to underpay me Hmm

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