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Reaching a sexual compromise

142 replies

Notfootball · 22/12/2014 15:07

DH and I have been together 10 years and have two young DC. My sex drive has always been a fair bit higher than DH's and prior to DC we had regular ish sex, though not as often as I would like. Obviously it tailed off during the small baby days/sleepless nights but DC2 is nearly 4 and we have DTD less than 5 times a year for the last 3 or so, me always being the instigator. If I say that I understand that he has a lower sex drive but can we talk about it, he takes it as a personal affront and uses excuses such as him being lazy, tired or the bad situation with his father dampening down his sex drive.

I just want to reach a compromise where we have a bit more sex without me feeling like a bloody pest. How do I even start this discussion with him?

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HelenaDove · 22/12/2014 21:31

He called you a sex maniac. Im sorry thats just nasty and sounds like he is trying to shame you into keeping quiet.

Notfootball · 22/12/2014 21:52

We're having sex tonight, he probably feels obliged after our chat. Obligatory sex, should be fun...

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LastTangoInBognor · 22/12/2014 21:56

NotFootball - yep, having sex with other people is something we've discussed. I suggested it, he was willing to give it a try. But I know myself and I would find it difficult not to end up in two relationships. While I have the utmost respect for people who can manage polyamory, it's not something I could handle I don't think - and while DH is theoretically ok with me 'meeting my needs' elsewhere, he would be very upset if I had feelings for someone else. So right now it just feels a bit too difficult/risky. But I do think that if everything else in your relationship is great, and it's a mutual agreement, then it can work for some people.

The 'lots of women' line is a bit silly - yes, there are lots of women who don't enjoy sex. But there are, I am finding out more and more, lots of men too. It's horses for courses but I feel that in mismatches it shouldn't just be one partners sex drive that is accommodated - whether it's high or low. If a partner is unwilling or unable to meet in the middle, then it's a problem. Really have no idea what the solution is though. It does sound like he thinks you should be grateful, a bit? And almost like he hasn't really come around to the idea that women enjoy sex?

getthefeckouttahere · 22/12/2014 22:07

well as you know its impossible to reach a compromise with someone unwilling to negotiate.

So it now boils down to stay together or leave (given you're not keen on the 'going elsewhere' option). Thats a toughie isn't it? It seems like a no brainer, great hubby/dad/bloke all i have to do is put up with much less sex than i'd like....easy. But of course it isn't. i believe that being in a relationship with such mismatched needs is usually a slow lingering death. It crushes ones happiness and fulfilment. I think that to be fulfilled emotionally, mentally romantically and sexually are pretty basic human requirements and to be in a relationship that doesn't meet these needs is not for me.

I hope you can sort it, just a thought (it may have been mentioned already) would he consider attending counselling specifically related to sexual problems with you?

lateblooming · 22/12/2014 22:10

Is he gay?

lateblooming · 22/12/2014 22:13

Watch Hope Springs with him...perhaps a good way to start serious reflecting.

meandjulio · 22/12/2014 22:20

obligatory sex... or scheduled sex? Relate often recommend that, don't they? That once the partner with the higher sex drive knows that they will get sex without having to ask for it, the pressure reduces, making the partner with the lower sex drive feel better and eventually even sexier?

How would you feel about once a fortnight?

Notfootball · 22/12/2014 22:44

Helena the sex maniac comment got my back up, he obviously thinks I have a problem.

Tango how did you broach the open relationship topic? I think I could manage that type of relationship as I find it easy to separate sex from love. Just don't want to go down the secretive affairs route.

Julio I mean that he felt obliged to DTD after I complained about not getting enough, definitely not scheduled sex. He's a pretty private person so I doubt he'd wish to discuss it with a counsellor. Once a fortnight would be a start but he would see that as a big ask.

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Notfootball · 22/12/2014 22:45

Lateblooming Smile

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Fairenuff · 22/12/2014 22:48

Would you want to have sex with him knowing he didn't really want to?

HelenaDove · 22/12/2014 22:53

Notfootball the idea is to shame you into keeping quiet such as the notion that women arent supposed to like sex.

meandjulio · 22/12/2014 23:05

Certainly between 'never' and 'five times a week' is a pretty huge issue Sad

LadyBlaBlah · 22/12/2014 23:15

He doesn't want sex with you.
Won't talk about it.

It sounds like this is friendship/ appearances only. And there could be a million reasons for this and most likely there is nothing actually wrong with you, other than incompatibility.

You can't change anyone. This is his choice to be like this.
So you have to make your choices.
This begging for sex must be soul destroying.

I can't see how you'd even want to with someone so unenthusiastic

manaboutthemaison · 22/12/2014 23:19

but are you doing your fair share of the housework ?

( standard MN response to these kind of threads)

JaceyBee · 22/12/2014 23:24

A sex maniac? For wanting it 5 times a week? What a ridiculous comment, and yes he is trying to shame you.

Sex is hugely important to me and I'd happily have it twice a day if I could. I don't consider myself to be a sex maniac, or a nympho or any other misogynistic label. News flash guys, women actually love to fuck. I know right! Shock

Fairenuff · 22/12/2014 23:41

I don't think that's news Jacey. There are also some people, like OP's dh who don't want sex. That's not news either.

However there is not much that can be done about it. Nothing will make him want it more, or her want it less. That's what incompatible means.

SolidGoldBrass · 22/12/2014 23:55

I see there's already a couple of people starting on the 'Waah, Mumsnet is so sexist to men' track. Thing is, we live in a culture which is still fairly full of the idea that men like sex and women put up with it to keep men happy. And that men believe that women only exist to keep men happy. These two myths tend to mean that when the libido mismatch is due to the woman wanting less sex, it usually is down to the man doing little or no domestic work and treating his partner as a domestic applicance with a fuckhole. When the woman is the one feeling unsatisfied and unloved, she has usually tried patience, kindness., gentle conversation, being 'nice', losing weight, sexy lingerie and bottles of wine, only to be either fobbed off or told she's a slut and a nympho.
No one should have to engage in sex when s/he doesn't want to, of course. But no one has the right to insist that another person puts up and shuts up with a sex-free life, either.

Notfootball · 23/12/2014 09:18

You're right, I cannot make him want it more nor me want it less. I very nearly backed out of DTD last night because I felt like he only suggested it because I had forced his hand, a bit like pity sex. He made a sort of joke of the whole thing, I didn't feel ridiculed, just as though he was doing it only for me and I know if I hadn't brought it up it wouldn't have happened.

I actually have no idea what I'm going to do about this. After last night's discussion I feel I don't want to suggest sex again, what's the point when he's not bothered?

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Notfootball · 23/12/2014 09:19

If I turn it around and he was asking for sex that I really wasn't interested in, I'd be avoiding him.

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rb32 · 23/12/2014 09:38

"....excuses such as him being lazy, tired...."

Is he generally healthy, just that when I wasn't (not massivly overweight, just didn't do anything active at all) I really couldn't be bothered with sex much. Got healthy, got my energy back and now I wish I was getting it 5 times a week!

LastTangoInBognor · 23/12/2014 10:36

Re open relationship discussion. I explained that I loved him, loved our relationship, would consider myself very happily married (all true), but there is a big libido mismatch. I said one solution I'd thought of was an open relationship, and then sort of took my cues from his response. It helped that he was willing to discuss ground rules and things like that, because it felt like if it was going to work then it would have to be a real joint decision, and one made on trust.

I also explained that if our sex life was more frequent I wouldn't be considering it - it's not about me wanting to have sex with other people specifically, and I think that helped. I mentioned, in a non-threatening way, that the lack of sex does increase the chances of me doing something stupid, as if I were to meet someone I could have casual sex with on the sly, I would be more able to think of 'rational' excuses for doing so - and I really, really don't want to do that. Of course, I could just not do that, but I do think it's human nature to want to be sexually desired, and if you're not getting that at home then it's harder to resist if you come across it elsewhere. And then of course there's a resentment that builds up for your partner, that would add to the sensation that deceiving them would be ok. Essentially, I made it about me rather than him, saying that I was concerned that either I would cheat or feel that I should leave, and that I would like to avoid both those things.

However, my DH is very aware that I'm unhappy with the frequency of our sex life, and does agree that it's not 'enough' - like I said, I'm not sure what the 'standard' is or should be, but he accepts it's a problem and is to an extent happy that I'm still here and want to work on it. If yours is calling you a sex maniac and claiming you should be grateful, you might need to spend a bit of time making it clear how much of an issue it is for you - he needs to take it seriously and be open to working on it.

On another note, SolidGold this - "These two myths tend to mean that when the libido mismatch is due to the woman wanting less sex, it usually is down to the man doing little or no domestic work and treating his partner as a domestic applicance with a fuckhole. When the woman is the one feeling unsatisfied and unloved, she has usually tried patience, kindness., gentle conversation, being 'nice', losing weight, sexy lingerie and bottles of wine, only to be either fobbed off or told she's a slut and a nympho."

I totally agree. I know men and women in this position. The women I know are ENDLESSLY trying to find ways to solve it. They're thinking 'I'lll lose weight' 'I'll make a nice dinner' 'Maybe he has a fetish' 'I wonder if he'd talk to the GP'. The men... really not so much. They seem to find it sort of unsurprising in a very depressing way, like 'well, of course she doesn't want to have sex with me' - as though they think, deep down, that no women do, really, and it often seems to lead to 'so it's fine if I cheat'. Occasionally via a detour of 'I bought flowers'. It's sad for them too, because it feels like it could be solvable. I guess it's how we're all socialised - women are raised feeling that men find them sexually attractive (often to a dangerous degree) and men are raised feeling that they might 'get lucky' and find a woman who agrees to have sex with them. There are good reasons for this, but also not so good ones, and I don't think it's healthy either way.

SoddingCupcakes · 23/12/2014 11:43

Because someone who repeatedly refuses either to have sex with his/her official partner or recognise that the lack of sex is genuinely upsetting to the other person has no right at all to insist on monogamy.

What if they recognise it's a problem but do not address it? Does the recognition alone lay claim to monogamy?

SoddingCupcakes · 23/12/2014 11:46

having sex with other people is something we've discussed. I suggested it, he was willing to give it a try.

So he would have sex with other people too? Do you think he actually would/could?

rockup · 23/12/2014 11:47

I think the whole premise of this thead says a lot about the problem. Sex should not be about comprimise - hmm rational comprimise, that well known way to get horny.
Sexual desire cannot be comprimised or negotiated. Quite the opposite in fact. Going down that road is going to lead to the whole thing feeling even more forced and less sexy.

SoddingCupcakes · 23/12/2014 11:59

When the woman is the one feeling unsatisfied and unloved, she has usually tried patience, kindness., gentle conversation, being 'nice', losing weight, sexy lingerie and bottles of wine, only to be either fobbed off or told she's a slut and a nympho.

Breaks my heart :( :( :(

Upsetting thread, but only because it hits home. Wine for all you neglected ladies.

My situation is a mirror of the OPs. 10 years, 2 DC, low-sex drive DH (I suspect asexual but he says no). Sick of well-meaning friends with their "Is he gay?" comments. Sick of the "dress up in something sexy" suggestions.

I had an affair (had sex twice during it). It wasn't spectacular but it made me feel like I was wanted sexually by someone. A man wanted to put his hands on me, can you believe it? I felt like the hole (no pun intended) in my life was filled. But, of course, I got caught. So that will never happen again.

My DH is a great father and we make a good team, but no sex.

Breaks my heart.

Comforting but upsetting thread. What an oxymoron.

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