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How to handle this?

123 replies

Idiotdh · 29/11/2014 21:15

Today we went some distance to a school sports event ds was taking part in. They lost but good game and ds enjoyed it. Afterwards there was some food laid on for the players but dh asked if ds would rather wait and come with us for us all to eat together on the way home which dh had planned to do in about twenty minutes. Ds said ok, fine, said goodbye to team mates and teacher.

The conversation went like this.

Dh;Shall we go to main food joint and we can all choose there?( mainly McD, think there is salad bar and jacket potato place too)
Me; Yes, fine.
Ds; Yes please , Mc Donald's?
Dh;Junk food?
Ds ;There's not much else in that place, KFC a bit further on?( near home)
Dh;Ok if thats what you want?Dont you want to go shopping too?
Me; Happy either way we can shop if you want to for a while.
Ds ; not really, just want to eat. Can do for a while though.
Dh ; well we can't all just do what we want all the time can we?

Dh, suddenly indicates left off motorway. This is towards original place planned. Says 'Well I'm stopping here look there is a KFC here anyway.' Then continues to drive past KFC part to area closish to original venue planned.
Ds; Can we go there (KFC?)then?
Dh ;Stops car far from KFC near to original planned place (McDs) says'Do what you want, Im going to the toilet we can just go home as far as Im concerned '
'I'm not going to KFC ds can go there if he wants give him a fiver it's over there ( quite far, across roundabouts etc, not accessible by foot)
Me; Let's just go and eat together at main food place, ds is hungry.Its not fair to wait any longer.
Dh; shouts ; Bugger off then, we can just go home if that's what you want.
Dh walks off with car keys. Says meet you here in 15 mins. I say ok shall we get food or are you shopping now. Dh seems to mutter F off and storms off leaving us in car with no keys.
I get back in , say come on ds let's go get something, what do u want, ds shouts ' I don't care ' and bursts into tears and breaks his heart..have never seen him do this and he is a very placid child who just tries to please.

I feel incredibly let down by dh behaviour with this... All we did was try to agree a plan , ds did nothing wrong and dh just made it impossible no matter what ds said. I think he's been incrediblybadly behaved and really let ds and me down. I am shocked at how unreasonable difficult and rude he has been. I am so angry I have not spoken a word to dh since. After dh came back to the car he rapped on the window and barked' What are you doing I thought you would be ready by now' . When we got out he said to ds' You can't go out like that, with a bright red face'.

I took ds via the loos to McDonalds and was furious but just refused to react or argue. We (ds and I )got food. We went back to car and came home. I have apologised to ds on behalf of his father but can't explain it.

What is this all about? Is he an unreasonable bully? Is he on the ASD spectrum, because it is really hard to communicate with him, he just doesn't follow the flow of conversation then loses his temper..so is either being deliberately difficult and obtuse, or he has some sort of problem.

I know he has been completely unreasonable out of the blue and ruined everything.. But what do I say now. Do I tell him to apologise to ds and me? Do I tell him to get out?

Please can I have some advice. LTB may be the right advice, but these are sporadic incidents and ds will still be seeing his father regularly (and always wants to spend time with dad)if I do LTB so it won't necessarily solve the problem. As in, I have to make or try to make dh change this behaviour and apologise and display to ds he was in the wrong...if I don't address this properly now, even LTB isn't going to be enough.

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Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 15:07

When he and ds were together I asked for dh to apologise again.
It went like this;
Mum says you were crying yesterday...what was that about
Me; can you apologise for being unreasonable in the car please, it's not about me and what I did or didn't say its about your behaviour yesterday.

Dh You just wanted to go to KFC ds didn't you?
Ds smiles wanly
Me just apologise
Dh sorry to hear you were upset yesterday ..why was that , was it because you just wanted to go to KFC?

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daisychain01 · 30/11/2014 15:33

IdiotDH, he is being so obtuse, isn't he. Just determine not to 'get' it, deliberately minimising your obvious upset and now worst still, using your DS to deflect. All that stuff about the restaurant, splitting hairs about KFC, when it doesn't really have anything to do with where you ate that day. It was his attitude and he is now digging his heals in, unprepared to be remotely empathetic.

I'm so sorry, you don't deserve that, but I can only empathise and hope you decide your next steps based on the input you have here, and your own expectations.

Don't doubt yourself in all this, please don't, you have no reason to.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 30/11/2014 15:33

Is he a lawyer.... ?

Vivacia · 30/11/2014 16:05

So he didn't apologise in the end? Have you asked him why he refuses?

Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 16:44

Not a lawyer(!)
Vivacia. He just said he'Took us somewhere to shop and eat, what more do you want? Then you sat in the car being strange and not speaking, like you didn't even want to eat. And ds digging his heels in about KFC. Completely ruined my day...You should never have come'

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/11/2014 17:02

He does not actually think he has done anything wrong in the first place; he feels that entitled. Such men never apologise nor has he accepted any responsibility her for his actions. He will not do so either.

He solely wanted to shop, he did not want to eat so your wishes were disregarded. He totally manufactured the drama that ensued to his own ends. He's also not above projecting onto you either.

I would be looking at your long term future within this relationship because you do not need a crystal ball to see that this is not looking at all good for you or your son.

Vivacia · 30/11/2014 17:41

Wow, you and your son must think you're going 'round the bend in the face of such denial.

daisychain01 · 30/11/2014 18:03

Gas-lighting? "deny, deny - it must be you, I don't know what you mean ..."

Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 18:13

When I disputed his version he said 'It was over your head '.

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Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 18:51

He is in conciliatory mode now. He realises he over stepped the mark and I mean business. He has offered cake, to take ds into school tomorrow and is quiet. I am still not speaking to him as I feel it's important not to cave.
It's hard for me because I am sociable and helpful by nature. I have made tea but just eating mine and ds' on our own at the moment.

It's really what do I do now? Because I always end up caving in in the end and it gets brushed under the carpet.

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DreamsOfFreddieInTheNight · 30/11/2014 19:07

If you can't do anything else, could you at least stay silent, take a few days to really let this sink in, then say that you want to make an appointment for relationship counselling?

I recommend a book called 'a woman in your own right' which is excellent Der this sort of situation- helps with being assertive and standing your ground. Which you need to do for your sons sake (and also for yours). Good luck. He sounds like he thinks he will get away with this, and needs teaching differently.

Kleptronic · 30/11/2014 19:10

I would say you need to get out of this relationship. What are you getting out of it? Love, understanding, support? What is your son internalising because of this? His father behaved like a bullying arse, it's not the first time, he will not recognise it, apologise or change his ways. Seriously, stop trying to cope with this and cut your losses. You and your son will live the better for it.

Vivacia · 30/11/2014 19:15

I don't think that the silent treatment is ever an effective way to behave. I think that a line in the sand is. Restate, "your refusal to take responsibility for your actions and apologise to DS and me has really made me think. I need some time to get straight my thoughts and feelings on this". Then Broken Record technique.

Vivacia · 30/11/2014 19:16

And I seriously would be reconsidering this relationship on these terms.

Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 19:40

Ok that seems a good approach because usually I am upset and angry but as a few days go by, dh starts being nice and I am torn..do I go for the chat about he is given a month to improve then he is out , or what?

It is usually me in the firing line rather than ds, but sometimes it is ds. When it is just me, I don't have anyone else to confirm it is happening in the way I feel it is happening if that makes sense, and it ends up being minimised.
When it is ds I just refuse to tolerate it in any way. Previously I have given him a dressing down, and he just says I am mad or being ridiculous. Ds of course is desperate to be in dads good books and therefore wants to appease.

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Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 19:44

"Your poor behaviour and refusal to recognise it and apologise has made me take stock. I need some time to think this through. From now on things will change. You have mistreated us and I have to make some decisions."

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Vivacia · 30/11/2014 20:14

he is given a month to improve then he is out , or what?

The problem with that is "improve" is too vague. You need SMART goals, I guess(!). Second problem is that you need to mean it.

I think I would stick with that he needs to apologise for his shitty behaviour the other day, and his shitty behaviour since.

It is usually me in the firing line rather than ds, but sometimes it is ds. When it is just me, I don't have anyone else to confirm it is happening in the way I feel it is happening if that makes sense, and it ends up being minimised.

He's gaslighting you and he's gaslighting your son.

Ds of course is desperate to be in dads good books and therefore wants to appease

This is natural in children. He is learning that in order to survive he has to Please People. This is necessary in your household, but not a healthy way to function.

Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 20:18

Rather an unpleasant showdown just took place.

Dh came downstairs . Kept asking lots of questions trying to make me speak. Then started to take food said ' Have you made this' I said yes but not for you. He said tough Ill just have some. I said I didn't make it for you.

He immediately got nasty and started to get annoyed. I said I have asked him to apologise and I'm not going to forget..why can't he just do it? He said what are you still going on about ..he's done nothing wrong, he's spoken to ds who is 'fine' , and he's been waiting for twenty years for me to apologise for being such an unreasonable person and all my other defects.

He then said turn this rubbish off( X Factor) and turned the heating off. I turned the heating back on as its cold. He tried to close the door on me as I was waiting to go in. I told him he is not going to win with this.

This is a bit shit isn't it.

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Vivacia · 30/11/2014 20:22

This is a bit shit isn't it

I think that this recent incident is the final straw. I think actually this thread is about a whole lot more.

I told him is not going to win with this

A relationship should not be a battle. I think you are currently playing a game, and it's a game of his design, on his terms. I would opt out of the game and start planning my exit.

AnyFucker · 30/11/2014 20:24

This is no way to live Sad

Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 20:27

When I say win I mean he is not going to get the better of me and beat me down denying he is a bully and especially trying to put me down and maybe even get care of ds.

I feel quite uncomfortable now , not exactly scared but definitely uncomfortable. I wish I just continued to ignore. I don't know.

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CrispyFern · 30/11/2014 20:31

I'm sorry you are living in such an unhappy house at the moment, it must feel very stressful.
Do you have friends or family you can talk to?

Vivacia · 30/11/2014 20:36

Sweetheart, nobody should live this way. Your home should feel the safest place on earth. Your partner should make you feel cherished.

Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 20:37

This is why I cave in..I mean why won't he back down? Now I feel mildly threatened , now and about what will happen in the future.

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Idiotdh · 30/11/2014 20:39

Usually, he's ok as long as you agree with him. Yesterday he wasn't, even though we agreed. Now I am challenging him and not backing down I feel nervous.

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