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SIL, DH and me

129 replies

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 16:22

I don't really get on with SIL, and to be honest, I never have.

Its not that she's an awful person, or that i am, its just that I find her a bit bossy. I don't precisely know why she doesn't like me but I think the problem is she considers herself my social superior. Nothing about our feelings or opinions about each other has ever reached the other person's ears.

The problem is that DH is caught in the middle.

DH and I have argued over things she has done to me in the past. He doesn't like them, but he gets over them, whilst they just keep piling up in my mind.

One thing she particularly does, is call DH up to tell him to tell me not to do something, or to command me to do something. She will never deign to speak to me personally when she can pass a message through DH instead, even if its a direct reply to a message I left on her phone.

I also have a very strong suspicion that she's been putting the knife into me with MIL too.

Things have now deteriorated to the point where we only see SIL and BIL annually, usually for just three hours or so. Unfortunately, its that time of year again, where they realise that our two families not seen each other all year and its all "we must meet up before the year is over". DH usually sees her on his own once or twice a year, but not this year (because he was very hurt by a phone call she made to him complaining about me in the Spring - even though I had not seen her since December last year).

I always tell myself that i can get through 3 hours. But the truth is, it stresses me out beforehand and DH and I invariably fight about the situation either on the way there, or on the way back, or both.

I asked to be excused this year (any convenient lie would have done), so now we are not meeting them at all, as DH would not go with the DC on their own.

The thing is i can't imagine wanting to be around her next year either. or the one after that. However, I don't want DH to go years without seeing his sister.

I am worried that i am causing a family break up and that would be a terrible thing to do. However, I find it incredibly stressful to be around SIL. Often DH and I fight about it and it ends up with us both feeling bruised and battered, sometimes for weeks afterwards. I find it safer to not let her see any part of my life and I've no intention of ever contacting her again.

What would you do? Go see her and catch every passive-aggressive dig? Or take up smoking for occasion and start rolling my own in her sitting room with my muddy shoes on the sofa to prove her snobbery correct? Or tell DH that he on his own until she apologises to me personally for what she insinuated about me in that last call?

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wreckingball · 20/11/2014 17:20

You'll just have to take his word for it?
That is almost as rude as his sister! Shock

Fucks sake, how old does he think you are?

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 17:22

All normal families argue, but they aren't usually as nasty as his family sound.
He sounds much the same as his sister.

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 17:25

Its not only 3 hours of passive-aggressive nonsense.
Its 3 hours + worrying about it beforehand + serious risk of DH and I have a major fight + giving SIL some knowledge of my life that she can then twist out of all recognition and use to base an attack on me at any time over the coming weeks and months.

The most recent attack was five months after i'd last seen her.

Is it low self-esteem to not want that?

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WipsGlitter · 20/11/2014 17:28

Can you not do a neutral thing, panto or a meal out so there's more going on than just you guys all stuck in a house together.

KristinaM · 20/11/2014 17:28

No it's not low sell esteem, I would t go.

And I'd not be impressed at my DH behaving like that either

LoonvanBoon · 20/11/2014 17:31

if you can't take a family member being bitchily passive aggressive for 3 hours a year then I think you probably need therapy for low self esteem.

What a bizarre way to look at things! It's not about whether you can take it, it's about whether you're prepared to. To be able to say that, actually, you're not willing to spend time with someone who is vilely rude to you suggests healthy self-esteem to me.

Anyway, I think you've got a DH problem as well as a SIL one, OP. Your DH sounds less than supportive even though you're not trying to come between him & his sister. Agree with wreckingball that his approach to you is rude & patronising; & I think he's just wrong to believe that an outward show of family harmony is better than the occasional honest argument, if the former comes at the cost of a load of passive aggressive bullshit.

The platter incident would have been the last straw for me. I think I would have said: "Don't be so bloody rude" there & then. As for now - I might be prepared to see her if I knew my husband was watching my back, & accepted that I would bite back under provocation. If not, no way. He can do what he likes, but it's a bit sad if he's more concerned with the possibility of social embarrassment than the quality of his relationships.

HolgerDanske · 20/11/2014 17:31

No. Just don't do it. There is no need. If he wants to see her/them at christmas he can. No one is stopping him.

Why on earth all this smoothing things over/tip-toeing around SIL's nastiness/pretending everything's fine. It's not. She's nasty and she seems determined to be poisonous.

You don't owe her a thing, so don't entertain it any longer and have a lovely time at home doing things that will make you happy and spending time with the people you love and who treat you well.

tomanyanimals · 20/11/2014 17:33

I wouldn't go either but then again I would expect my dh to support me and call his sister out on her behaviour and say if u can't be nice we won't be having contact with you

LittleBairn · 20/11/2014 17:34

No its not low self-esteem its about having some self respect and no longer tolerating being treated like crap.

KristinaM · 20/11/2014 17:36

My DH is overweight. If anyone did that " joke " with the platter, I wouldn't be going to their house again until there had been an apology. It's the height of rudeness

staplemind · 20/11/2014 17:48

I stood up to my SIL who through her kindnes wanted to run my life.
My SIL isn't nowhere as bad as yours and know how I felt when she started digging in...

I stopped seeing her for a couple of years. Kids went with my ex or by themselves.

Hw should take them if he wants to. hey! They can go with GP's there.

You shouldn't have to bend backwards to accommodate!!!

MonstrousRatbag · 20/11/2014 17:48

DH usually sees her on his own once or twice a year, but not this year (because he was very hurt by a phone call she made to him complaining about me in the Spring)

now we are not meeting them at all, as DH would not go with the DC on their own

Sounds to me as though he doesn't want to see her either, but he feels he has to keep up appearances. I bet his non-arguing family is all about keeping up appearances.

Just keep not going. Ask your DH not to bother passing on any messages from SIL in their 'phone calls (why does he do that?). Leave it to your DH to do all present buying for nieces and nephews and SIL and BIL< and anything else that might require you to have contact.

And I think it is completely wrong to suggest not being prepared to go along to be abused for 3 hours is a sign of low self-esteem. You know what you're in for if you go, why bother? Talk about turkey voting for Christmas.

HolgerDanske · 20/11/2014 17:49

Trouble is rude, nasty, spiteful people are rarely pulled up on it because people would rather just ignore and try to stay out of their way. This is especially true in family dynamics where people will make all sorts of allowances for them not meaning it, or being lovely, really, or oh but that's just how she is, etc, instead of telling the person straight out, from a young age where they can still moderate their behaviour, that they're being horrible and nasty and it's not acceptable. Instead what happens is the person gets worse and worse until they're the sort of individual you're dealing with here. And still your DH plays along with the dynamics.

Ugh.

Bogeyface · 20/11/2014 17:49

I would suggest you dont discuss it with him again.

If he brings it up say "I have already said I am not going and why, if you want to go you can but I will not be joining you" and if he kicks off saying he wont go then, breezily say "Ok :)" Every.single.time. He cant have an argument on his own!

Oh and L O Fucking L at him saying you know nothing about family harmony when he is happy to cause a stonking row with you over his bitch sister!

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 17:52

Last year she wanted us to spend Christmas with MIL. SIL usually goes but didn't want to last year. So, it was either DH's or the other sister's turn. The other sister was unavailable.

However, my mother had already been invited. SIl suggested i just ask MIL to invite DM too (but for all sorts of logistics reasons connected with old people, i just couldn't do this).

SIL gave DH a choice: either he went to MIL's for Christmas or he left his old mother on her own at Christmas.

In the end I had to uninvite my mum, go to his mum's and my mum spent Christmas alone.

SIL knew this but in all the calls about it, she would only speak to DH. She had no intention of asking me to help, or acknowledging the impact it had on my family.

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Bogeyface · 20/11/2014 17:54

In the end I had to uninvite my mum, go to his mum's and my mum spent Christmas alone.

Why?

Who insisted you do this?

Why didnt you simply say no?

This isnt a SIL problem, its a DH problem. How is he with other things?

HolgerDanske · 20/11/2014 17:55

From now on you spend Christmas and any other special days with people you love and those who make you happy. Just don't even discuss it anymore. Exactly as others have already said, just disengage completely. Your DH can deal with everything, and I mean everything, that is in any way concerned with your SIL. No compromise. It's not healthy to allow poisonous people like this to affect you.

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 17:56

You let your Mum spend Christmas on her own after already inviting her?
Well sorry but you sound like a right wet blanket now.

GoatsDoRoam · 20/11/2014 17:56

Your DH needs to grow a spine and back you up.

He'd rather cause strife within his marriage, than cause strife with his overbearing family. That is not an admirable trait.

HolgerDanske · 20/11/2014 17:57

And yes, I do think your DH needs to find his backbone and stop allowing his sister to manipulate things like that. How dare she ruin everyone else's Christmases like that.

Are you going to see your mum this year? I do hope so.

MonstrousRatbag · 20/11/2014 17:57

In the end I had to uninvite my mum, go to his mum's and my mum spent Christmas alone

You didn't have to, you chose to. I expect under pressure from your DH. please don't fall for this again. She's not your boss.

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 18:00

Stubborn.

The choice last year was either

  1. let my DM down
  2. let our children by not having both parents on Christmas day
  3. Let DH feel guilty about MIL

2 was a non-starter for everyone. I preferred the MIL option, but DH wouldn't back down so DM is coming this year (and DH huffs every time I mention it).

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hesterton · 20/11/2014 18:00

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wreckingball · 20/11/2014 18:02

I'd have kept my DC at home with me and my Mum and let DH sod off to his Mum's.

Groovee · 20/11/2014 18:03

I didn't have contact with dh's brother and his wife for 5 years. It was fine. Dh went on his own with the kids. It was a happy compromise.

Your dh needs to back you up. Until he does, there cannot be a no contact compromise.