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SIL, DH and me

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odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 16:22

I don't really get on with SIL, and to be honest, I never have.

Its not that she's an awful person, or that i am, its just that I find her a bit bossy. I don't precisely know why she doesn't like me but I think the problem is she considers herself my social superior. Nothing about our feelings or opinions about each other has ever reached the other person's ears.

The problem is that DH is caught in the middle.

DH and I have argued over things she has done to me in the past. He doesn't like them, but he gets over them, whilst they just keep piling up in my mind.

One thing she particularly does, is call DH up to tell him to tell me not to do something, or to command me to do something. She will never deign to speak to me personally when she can pass a message through DH instead, even if its a direct reply to a message I left on her phone.

I also have a very strong suspicion that she's been putting the knife into me with MIL too.

Things have now deteriorated to the point where we only see SIL and BIL annually, usually for just three hours or so. Unfortunately, its that time of year again, where they realise that our two families not seen each other all year and its all "we must meet up before the year is over". DH usually sees her on his own once or twice a year, but not this year (because he was very hurt by a phone call she made to him complaining about me in the Spring - even though I had not seen her since December last year).

I always tell myself that i can get through 3 hours. But the truth is, it stresses me out beforehand and DH and I invariably fight about the situation either on the way there, or on the way back, or both.

I asked to be excused this year (any convenient lie would have done), so now we are not meeting them at all, as DH would not go with the DC on their own.

The thing is i can't imagine wanting to be around her next year either. or the one after that. However, I don't want DH to go years without seeing his sister.

I am worried that i am causing a family break up and that would be a terrible thing to do. However, I find it incredibly stressful to be around SIL. Often DH and I fight about it and it ends up with us both feeling bruised and battered, sometimes for weeks afterwards. I find it safer to not let her see any part of my life and I've no intention of ever contacting her again.

What would you do? Go see her and catch every passive-aggressive dig? Or take up smoking for occasion and start rolling my own in her sitting room with my muddy shoes on the sofa to prove her snobbery correct? Or tell DH that he on his own until she apologises to me personally for what she insinuated about me in that last call?

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wreckingball · 20/11/2014 16:49

And if I had been another guest there I would have gone and sat with you and told her how nasty that was.
Fuck keeping the peace, some people need telling.

Joysmum · 20/11/2014 16:50

He's enabling her behaviour. I wouldn't put up with anyone treating me that way so I'd lay the law down with him. Tell him you support his choice to see his sister as often as he wants to, but this will be by himself and they'll have a better dynamic without you there anyway.

Tbh, I firmly believe both of them would use YOU as the reason they don't see each other more often. If you take away their excuses they are left with the truth which is they don't want to see each other more without having a third party to blame for their troubled relationship Wink

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 16:53

That platter thing, was that in front of his Mum?
I'd be furious with any of my kids who behaved like that, bullying.
Don't care how old they are, you don't behave like that.

Only1scoop · 20/11/2014 16:53

Maybe Dh just does genuinely care about his sister and feel she is a 'lovely person'.

I'm not partial to my dp brothers ....but I smile and tolerate twice yearly even though they come out with some pretty nasty remarks.

Catsmamma · 20/11/2014 16:54

well which is it OP??

he is still hurt over the phone call about you in Spring, or he thinks she is a lovely person?

She sounds like a piece of work tbh! If no one is going to call her on her behaviour then the best way is to completely ignore her and never go, and it's not that hard...you just go along with all the plans but on the day claim furious diarrhoea/migraine/impending death until everyone else has left the house, because there is just no need for eveyone to miss out and then get about your day :o

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 16:55

DP would go fucking radio rental on his sister's arse if she did that to me.

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 16:55

The platter incident was just a little thing. The big thing was what she said on the phone call in the Spring. She implied that I was trying to steal MIL's money (or something). It was all very vague, but nasty nonetheless.

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TheLittleOneSaidRollOver · 20/11/2014 16:56

He always says why should he when she's such a lovely person and anyway it would be embarrassing to acknowledge by my absence that i have an issue with his sister.

He should because embarrassment is temporary but siblings are for life.

However, if you can't take a family member being bitchily passive aggressive for 3 hours a year then I think you probably need therapy for low self esteem.

DishwasherDogs · 20/11/2014 16:57

Agree with Badbalding.
This is like loads of IL problems, his sister may be vile, but Dh needs to be on your side and supporting you, if that means you not going, then so be it.
If he's not happy about you not going, he should be pulling his sister up and standing beside you, not being weak and playing piggy in the middle.

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 16:57

What catsmamma said, think of the nice day off you can have when they're all at his sils.
A day mning in bed getting ready for Christmas. Grin

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 16:57

He thinks she was well out of order in the spring. Until that moment the "she is a lovely person" excuse was the standard one. This has been going on for years, with me increasingly reluctant to see her.

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wreckingball · 20/11/2014 16:57

Chuck her.

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 16:59

DH and his family never argue. he is very critical of my family because we sometimes do.

If i fight with SIL, I would play straight into her snobbish hands.

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DishwasherDogs · 20/11/2014 16:59

Sorry, missed loads of posts there.

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 17:00

Siblings are for life? Grin
No one is for life if they behave like a cunt.
Is this the blood is thicker than water stuff, utter nonsense.

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 17:00

Don't fight with her, chuck her.

KristinaM · 20/11/2014 17:02

You don't need to go and he doesn't have to say you have a problem. There are dozens of polite excuses that he can use

Odin got called into work on an emergency

One of the kids /her mother is ill

She has a migraine /tummy bug

It's her grandmothers 90th birthday /best friends 40th

You don't have to like all your in laws / his friends /colleagues. Of course it would be better if he stood up for you, but that's not going to happen is it ?

wreckingball · 20/11/2014 17:03

If they never argue then my bet is they are a simmering raging mass underneath the 'niceness' and in reality they all hate each others guts.
Give me a good row and a make up and say sorry any day over that hypocrisy.

LittleBairn · 20/11/2014 17:07

I wouldn't dress it up be absolutely blunt the nastiness with the platter and the phone call means you will no longer be joining in family occassionally where she is present but your DH will attend.
Don't apologise to anyone including your DH. They are waiting for you to give in and just put up with it, make it clear that is no longer going to happen.

Joysmum · 20/11/2014 17:07

However, if you can't take a family member being bitchily passive aggressive for 3 hours a year then I think you probably need therapy for low self esteem

What utter rubbish.

People have every right to be treated well. If they aren't then they have every right to wave goodbye.

If anyone treated my DH like shit I wouldn't allow it to happen again and certainly would expect him to put up with it each and every time.

Joysmum · 20/11/2014 17:07

*wouldn't

ilovelamp82 · 20/11/2014 17:13

It's not your fault if your DH doesn't want to go and see her. If he was that bothered he would. There is no need for you to put yourself in a position of being treated badly. If they wanted to see each oth er that much they would. Or she would treat you better.

I wouldn't worry about it this year. If nothing negative happens next year, you can see her next year. Simple

HolgerDanske · 20/11/2014 17:14

I agree, there is absolutely no reason why you would need to put up with that, low self esteem or not. She is not a 'lovely person'. She is, of course, his sister and he is entitled to love and care about her, but he does not get to pretend she's a lovely person to the detriment of your happiness.

If he wants to see her he is perfectly capable of doing so with or without the children, and his not doing so has nothing whatsoever to do with you. Don't let him/them guilt you.

Quitelikely · 20/11/2014 17:14

I feel your pain. I think you would actually go if your dh showed that he understood where you were coming from a but more but as it is he's not really demonstrating that which is then making you reluctant to do this favour for him.

I also understand what you mean about the anxiousness creeping up the closer the visit but I only visit when absolutely necessary.

Kill with kindness and chat to the dc as much as possible if you do go.

odinsdaughter · 20/11/2014 17:15

"You don't need to go and he doesn't have to say you have a problem. There are dozens of polite excuses that he can use "

I know... I have been arguing that point for years. Its just what he says.
When i ask him to justify it, he says if i don't understand then I'll just have to take his word for it. And what would i know about family harmony etc etc since my family argue sometimes... etc etc

You can see how circular it is. Basically DH wants me there and won't accept me not going. He gives all sorts of spurious excuses for me having to go and tries to change the subject by criticising my family.

So this year, when he knows i will not go, he has chosen to not go himself rather than set a precedent.

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