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Another 'My Mum' thread. I've reached the end of my tether, I think. (Another long one)

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NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 11:03

Basically, up to now I've kept my relatively strained relationship with my Mum off MN. But the fact is that I need to talk about it to someone, I should prob have changed my name but there you go. Whenever I talk to DH about it he just sits, listens and refuses to say anything negative (which is fair enough, I suppose), but sometimes I really need to hear that he is on my side.

Condensed background - My parents separated when I was 6 years old. My father was a violent alcoholic gambler (with an utterly charming, handsome and likeable facade). My mother was entirely controlled by him. Lots of things were witnessed and experienced by me that no child should ever have to go through. When they separated, they asked me who I wanted to live with, I was 6 years old and sat inbetween them being asked to choose. My father was crying and my Mum wasn't, so my 6yr old brain chose the one who looked most upset .

I went to live with my father. I still saw my Mum every other weekend and used to cry when she brought me back to my father's house, he used to 'phone her and ask her why I was so miserable after spending time with her (I wasn't miserable about going there, I was miserable and terrified at having to come back). My father got together with a woman a few years older than him and he continued to dole out the same violent behaviour. She took it out on me. I once forgot my Brownie uniform (I must've been about 7) and she held me by the throat up against the living room wall, she actually lifted my feet off the ground and was screaming with rage into my face. This is/was a 40+ year old woman.

I eventually begged to go and live with my Mum at 11 because I couldn't handle it anymore. I moved in and life was ok from then on. I never saw my father again (my choice entirely). My Mum was the 'cool' Mum that all my teenage mates wanted, she would let me out 'til all hours and was fairly relaxed with anything and everything I wanted to do as a teenager. Quite detached, not very maternal, although I always knew she loved me.

I moved 100 miles away from my Mum just a few months before my 17th birthday and was v happy. I was still relatively glad of the detached parenting style she employed.

I eventually moved areas again and settled down with my now DH. We had only been together a few months when I moved in with him, and shortly after I was pg (planned). My Mum didn't take well to the news of my pg and completely shut down. She would 'phone and ask about everyone and everything bar the pregnancy. When DD was born my Mum was very happy and fell in love with DD. Although 'phone calls never included "how's DD?". Which really, really hurt.

It really seems to me that it is a total case of 'out of sight, out of mind' for my mother. When we are there at her house, or she is here, she is so involved and wants to be a part of it, but when we are apart it's like we don't even occur to her. She didn't 'phone to ask how DD's first day of school went, despite her knowing the date (I'd told her about 3 times). Nor did she 'phone to find out how my first day college had gone. I could go on forever, but tech wouldn't thank me !

I have to 'phone her all the time. I'm sick of chasing her, practically forcing her to take an interest in her grand-daughter's life, our lives. But the problem is that I feel trapped by it. My Mum is DD's only living grandparent, DD adores her (mainly because she is 4 and is protected from the vague nature of her grandmother). I can't afford for DD to lose her, but I can't spend the next 20 years+ begging my mother to be a part of our lives.

I've talked to my Mum about it countless times but she just denies everything and cries, leaving me feeling fucking awful and unjustified. I don't know what to do, but I know I can't go on like this.

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CheesyFeetcomingtoGETyou · 03/10/2006 13:56

WOuld it be easier to ring her before she rings you and say "I hear you spoke to dh earlier, I want to chat about it with you"

Then you aren't sitting waiting for the phone to ring

wartywarthog · 03/10/2006 13:56

write down a couple of keywords that remind you of how you feel and keep it by the phone. when she phones and starts laying guilt trips on you, look at your words and stay strong. she's an expert manipulator - she's had all her life to hone her skills.

DON'T feel guilty and don't let her throw it back in your face.

good luck.

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 13:57

Maybe it would cheesy.

Thanks for the tip warty

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FioFio · 03/10/2006 14:02

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NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 14:05

She really isn't an awful person, you're right Fio.

One of the times we sat down and had the discussion, she said that she was distant towards me and baby (at the time) DD because she didn't want me to feel like she was trying to take over and smother us, but she took it to the other extreme.

Oh shit phone.

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fondant4000 · 03/10/2006 14:18

NDP - twocats has some very wise advice.

My guess is your mother, like mine, feels that she 'doesn't have the right' because she's failed you in the past, and non-interference actually feels more like cold detachment. I think my mother was a very easygoing parent in my teenage years because of similar reasons to your mum and she didn't want to judge or interfere, when actually support and love wd have been much more welcome.

It took me years, and a few discussions with my brother and my mum (not always very successful), for me to accept that she was not the mother I felt a child deserved or that I wanted. But she did some good mum things too, has some very good points, and we get on pretty well together.

When dd was born, a lot of the issues came up again. My dh has helped me a lot on justifying my feelings and accepting stuff.

She's never going to see it the way I do, and always manages to justify her past actions (infuriatingly!), she doesn't really 'do' feelings. But I'm not going to change her, so I take the good stuff, and moan to dh about the bad!

wartywarthog · 03/10/2006 14:26

was it her?

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 14:37

There are lots of good valid points in this thread. Thank you all for tasking the time to read it and talk to me.

I've just spent the last 12mins 45 secs on the 'phone to my Mum.

Her opening gambit was 'Hi, how's things ?' [cheerful I'm doing this off my own bat tone]. I said I'm fine, she said I sounded tired. I told her I knew she'd spoken to DH. She said yes. I gave her a vague synopsis of how her attitude makes me feel and she denied any prior knowledge. She also denied that she never 'phones, that I am always the one making the first move. She made excuses about being away last weekend and that's why she didn't 'phone. I told her it wasn't just last weekend it was the last 24 YEARS that have fucked me up (not quite so confrontationally, admittedly).

She tried to change the subject, talking about her housework. I was silent, she asked me if I had any news. I said no. She said 'don't you want to talk to me then ?'. I said that I did want to talk to her but I'd be sitting by the phone since DH told me she was ringing and I wasn't really in the frame of mind to be discussing Mr Sheen.

I told her how hurtful her ambivalence was and how I couldn't match it up to the woman we see in the flesh, warm and loving. She asked for examples of her being cold or simply just not there emotionally towards DD. I gave lots, going as far back as the day I told her I was pg and as recently as DD's first day at school. I told her that I know she has a life and a job etc in her town and I didn't expect her to be here every given weekend, just as she didn't expect it from us, but a 'phone call takes 5 minutes and makes a huge difference. She has email too, so that's even easier. She still denied being ambivalent - "That's not the way I see it, "

I told her that I carry around a lot of crap from years ago, most of which is/was not her fault but that doesn't mean I don't still want/need her to be involved. She is all I have left, family-wise, and I can't afford to lose her.

She ended up admitting that she doesn't phone often enough, etc and does get caught up in whatever is happening in her life and often it's to the detriment of our relationship/contact. She said that she knew we'd had this conversation before (despite denying it to DH earlier - DH has been in the room when I've had them in the past so he knew the truth), and that nothing had changed as a result. She apologised through tears and said she loved me/us and that she hated hearing/seeing me upset. I just said, 'well let's change things', she agreed.

We've said we'll leave it a few days for the dust to settle.

I really hope it comes to something. I hope she understands now. Only time will tell.

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NAB3 · 03/10/2006 14:46

Mums!!!!

Mine chose her various boyfriends over me.

She now has no one, last year discovered I had children and now is threatening to take me to court for her right to access................

CheesyFeetcomingtoGETyou · 03/10/2006 14:47

NdP, that sounds like it ended really positively. Fingers crossed that something will come of it and she won't regress.

Thinking of you

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 14:48

I really hope my DD isn't on here (or its equivalent) in 20 yrs time saying the same things..

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GeorginaA · 03/10/2006 14:50

Agree with Cheesy, it does sound like a positive outcome. I really hope things get a lot easier from here on.

CheesyFeetcomingtoGETyou · 03/10/2006 14:50

I'm pretty sure she won't be

GeorginaA · 03/10/2006 14:50

She won't be - trust me on this.

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 14:51

I just get deja-vu because these things are not new things. I've said them all to her before, numerous times. I hope she pulls her finger out, but I'm not that optimistic. At least I know I have tried though.

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GeorginaA · 03/10/2006 14:51

She'll be on here instead saying "SHEESH, my mum just won't leave me ALONE!!!"

CheesyFeetcomingtoGETyou · 03/10/2006 14:52

Hmmm.... yes, all us daughters of detatched mothers may well be overcompensating (I know I do!)

Bozza · 03/10/2006 14:57

Sounds like there is a possible positive outcome there ndp. And at least your DD has had those first 5 years of a stable, loving family home that you were denied - so a bit less baggage at least.

fondant4000 · 03/10/2006 15:58

Good for you NDP, though I wouldn't pin your hopes too much too much on expecting 'change'.

It's more important that you've told her, she knows, whether she does anything, well it's not something you have any power over.

When I first had discussions with my mum I hoped it would change things. Gradually I just felt glad I'd told her and didn't have to pretend everything she'd done was 'alright'.

My dh knows I worry that I'll carry stuff over to my dd, but like everyone else says, you're far more likely to go the other way and be told to 'get off' I've even threatened that if my dd moves far away when she's older, I'll follow her and keep cuddling her

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 16:02

Like I say, we've been here before so I'm not pinning everything on her sorting her sh*t out, so to speak. All I can do is give it one more chance.

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flashingnose · 03/10/2006 18:16

ndp, I'm so glad the phone call went OK. The fact that you weren't met with a complete wall of denial and resistance is a good first step. I can't remember how old your dd is but it would be a great idea for her to phone your mum if something good has happened - this will remind your mum of her existence (!) and you may well find that this spurs your mum on to make contact more often herself.

I'd still look at the counselling option though. All the best

Dior · 03/10/2006 18:54

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wartywarthog · 03/10/2006 19:03

well done for standing your ground. at least she admitted that you had talked about it before. she'll find it hard to pretend it's never happened before next time, if there is a next time. here's hoping!

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frumpygrumpy · 03/10/2006 20:31

NDP I had to go out after my last post (old granny dependant on me today) but I thought about you all afternoon. I'm sitting feeling quite filled up about your conversation with your mum .

I know you said you've been here before but it was great that your DH called her (lovely DH, must love you heaps) and even better that she called you. It will crash you to the ground if she doesn't call in the next few days but I do think that she loves you very much, and your dd, it just somehow got all mixed up in the years and maybe basically she's never going to be quite the woman you need her to be. Try to allow her that whilst not forgetting your own needs. Do still consider the counselling. Think about printing the thread..........

Keep posting honey x.