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Another 'My Mum' thread. I've reached the end of my tether, I think. (Another long one)

110 replies

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 11:03

Basically, up to now I've kept my relatively strained relationship with my Mum off MN. But the fact is that I need to talk about it to someone, I should prob have changed my name but there you go. Whenever I talk to DH about it he just sits, listens and refuses to say anything negative (which is fair enough, I suppose), but sometimes I really need to hear that he is on my side.

Condensed background - My parents separated when I was 6 years old. My father was a violent alcoholic gambler (with an utterly charming, handsome and likeable facade). My mother was entirely controlled by him. Lots of things were witnessed and experienced by me that no child should ever have to go through. When they separated, they asked me who I wanted to live with, I was 6 years old and sat inbetween them being asked to choose. My father was crying and my Mum wasn't, so my 6yr old brain chose the one who looked most upset .

I went to live with my father. I still saw my Mum every other weekend and used to cry when she brought me back to my father's house, he used to 'phone her and ask her why I was so miserable after spending time with her (I wasn't miserable about going there, I was miserable and terrified at having to come back). My father got together with a woman a few years older than him and he continued to dole out the same violent behaviour. She took it out on me. I once forgot my Brownie uniform (I must've been about 7) and she held me by the throat up against the living room wall, she actually lifted my feet off the ground and was screaming with rage into my face. This is/was a 40+ year old woman.

I eventually begged to go and live with my Mum at 11 because I couldn't handle it anymore. I moved in and life was ok from then on. I never saw my father again (my choice entirely). My Mum was the 'cool' Mum that all my teenage mates wanted, she would let me out 'til all hours and was fairly relaxed with anything and everything I wanted to do as a teenager. Quite detached, not very maternal, although I always knew she loved me.

I moved 100 miles away from my Mum just a few months before my 17th birthday and was v happy. I was still relatively glad of the detached parenting style she employed.

I eventually moved areas again and settled down with my now DH. We had only been together a few months when I moved in with him, and shortly after I was pg (planned). My Mum didn't take well to the news of my pg and completely shut down. She would 'phone and ask about everyone and everything bar the pregnancy. When DD was born my Mum was very happy and fell in love with DD. Although 'phone calls never included "how's DD?". Which really, really hurt.

It really seems to me that it is a total case of 'out of sight, out of mind' for my mother. When we are there at her house, or she is here, she is so involved and wants to be a part of it, but when we are apart it's like we don't even occur to her. She didn't 'phone to ask how DD's first day of school went, despite her knowing the date (I'd told her about 3 times). Nor did she 'phone to find out how my first day college had gone. I could go on forever, but tech wouldn't thank me !

I have to 'phone her all the time. I'm sick of chasing her, practically forcing her to take an interest in her grand-daughter's life, our lives. But the problem is that I feel trapped by it. My Mum is DD's only living grandparent, DD adores her (mainly because she is 4 and is protected from the vague nature of her grandmother). I can't afford for DD to lose her, but I can't spend the next 20 years+ begging my mother to be a part of our lives.

I've talked to my Mum about it countless times but she just denies everything and cries, leaving me feeling fucking awful and unjustified. I don't know what to do, but I know I can't go on like this.

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frumpygrumpy · 03/10/2006 12:24

Kitchen put back together!

I think counselling would help (if the first counsellor doesn't click with you don't give up, try another), and you should be able to access this through your GP.

How supportive is your DH? If he's great then I'd let him know you are considering it so you can feel fully fit to face all the uncomfortable stuff head on. If not, could you try it out without him knowing, during the day? You could try it and see without any major commitment.

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 12:25

warty

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NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 12:27

DH would be ok with it, I think but I know he would worry about it happening again. Maybe if I can let him know that it is more about prevention than cure, he will be more open to the idea ?

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NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 12:28

It isn't something I'd do 'without him knowing'. I'd be very worried if the shoe was on the other foot and he felt he couldn't rely on me to be supportive

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popsycal · 03/10/2006 12:32

NDP
Some counsellors are awful and some are fantastic - just like with any profession. I think making a decision to see a counsellor is a sign of strength not of weakness.

You sound really strong and know yourself really well.

A fantastic counsellor once said to me something along the lines of 'You can't change other people no matter how hard you try. But you can change your response and reactions to their behaviour. The only person you can 'change' is yourself'.

It is futile wanting her to change. As other posters have said, this behaviour/coping mechanism /whatever is deep seated in her. I know it is tearing you apart. PArt of the coping for you though may be accepting that she won't change and working out how you and your family can cope with this.

That probably all sounds really vague.....not had much sleep

xx

Bozza · 03/10/2006 12:33

ndp what happened to you in your childhood weren't small things. You are bound to have some emotional fallout in adult life and your DH should recognise this. I think if you explain it, as you say, as a preventative measure that is a rational and intelligent thing to do.

Tortington · 03/10/2006 12:33

my mum was the perfect mum. my dad died when i was small. i had lots of loves and cuddles. and she was very attentive until my teenage years.

my mum doesn't send my children a birthday card. she doesn't phone. when we are up there we visit. she called my daughter a completely different name it had been 3 years since she last saw her. still forgetting a name?!!

so my childhood much different from yours. and my mum is shit.

so i accept it and move on - it was really hard becuase she isn't the only living grandparent. but dh's mum favours her youngest sons grandchildren - and mine were always last on the list "sorry cant afford a birthday pressie" stuff like that. arrrrrrgggghhhhh

however. its a sort of benign resignation. it hurts, really hurts, i know. but sometimes you have to just come to the realisation that people some people are crap - not parents per se.

then think of this. think of your childhood - think of the power which your mother unknowingly still weilds over you as a n adult.

and vow forever never to abuse that power with your children - recognise it - hold it in reverence and never abuse it.

let her be a rubbish nanna.

you just be the best mum.

isn't it just the fucking pits coming to the awful realisation that other people especially your mum or other close relative dont think the world revolvs around YOUR child or children.

i am not being fe3ceatious. when it comes to you its like a blow to the head with a baseball hat.

i am truly sorry your mum is crap.

frumpygrumpy · 03/10/2006 12:34

Absolutely, it isn't even prevention really, its just you have things you need to understand more and they're about your mum's behaviour and how to handle it. I'm glad you can tell him.

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 12:34

I don't know how to accept it though. I wish I could be as detached as she is. I wish it didn't matter as much to me. I wish I could laugh it off as being 'her way'. It isn't as simple as that. I'm not sure that a counsellor will be able to help me 'accept' it, because to me her behaviour is completely and utterly bewildering.

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NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 12:36

thanks custy, that means a lot.

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popsycal · 03/10/2006 12:38

It is bewildering. Like custy said though - some people are just like that. and I know it is really hard to accept or undersatnd.

frumpygrumpy · 03/10/2006 12:40

They will find other ways of looking at it and other ways to look at her behaviour. They may suggest things to try with her. Mine suggested a letter to my dad (he wasn't even the reason I went!) that I would or would not send. I didn't even write it but I did do it sometimes in my head and it helped a bit. You don't know if it will help until you try. But as I say, it took me 4 years to get there.

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 12:55

The man has a point

I'm going to have a long talk about it with DH and I'm going to look into counselling services in my area.

Thank you all.

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popsycal · 03/10/2006 13:08

....except for the last line.....
xxx

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/10/2006 13:09

NDP

You are yet another who carry the legacy of a "toxic" childhood.

I would also suggest counselling for your own self, it is in no way a "weakness" to talk to someone impartial. I would say it is a brave thing to do. Your DH should not have any worry that somehow history will repeat itself, it is very difficult living with someone with depression Your issues are concerning your childhood and the fallout from same - an entirely different matter. He can and should be able to support you throughout. Perhaps he is afraid for you (counselling will be difficult) but for your sake you need to confront this as and when you are ready to.

Both your parents failed you because of their shortcomings and treated you abysmally (this is far, far different from all parents who mess up from time to time). You were abused by these people and they have caused you much pain. They both brought their toxic behaviours and combined guilt with them into your life and you carry that to this day. I would also suggest you read the book by Susan Forward called "Toxic Parents", It is certainly not a panacea or cure all but it will give you more insight into how and why such people operate as they do. It also has a chapter on alcoholics and the relationships contained within the family unit which may particularly be of interest to your good self.

People have a different relationship with their grandchildren than they do with their own children. This may be a small part of why your Mum is acting the way she is with your child.

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 13:11

Thanks for that post Atilla. I'll have a look at that book.

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Mumpbump · 03/10/2006 13:19

IME, counselling is about rationalising and understanding how things are affecting you - not about understanding your mother. I think that understanding why you react in a particular way is half way to getting control over your emotions and changing your reaction.

But like other people on here, I agree that it might help you to take a step back (at least for a bit) and let her do the running. Much better than banging your head against a brick wall. It's not like you'd be cutting her out, just giving yourself a break... Good luck!

mymama · 03/10/2006 13:22

NomDePlume I know exactly how you feel about the "disinterest" from your mum when she is not with you. My mil is exactly the same and she is the only Nana my kids have as my parents are gone. Interestingly enough her husband also was a violent alcoholic (he died 9 years ago) although she stayed married to him. She also calls and tells us all about herself and never asks about the children or if she asks she does not wait for the answer and keeps talking about herself. In theory it is easy to tell yourself not to worry about it and it doesn't matter but it hurts esp when you see other grandparents who dote on their grandchildren. I agree with another poster that you will probably not be able to change her and that you need to find a way to cope as best you can from your side. I realise you want the relationship for your dd's sake, and that is important, but your dd has already got something you didn't have growing up - a stable loving home with two parents. As important as grandparents are, you can't beat that. Perhaps an idea for the telephone would be to make a "roster" where you take turns calling each Sunday etc and make a lunch date the first Saturday of each month or something. Another way to go might be to have your dd phone her grandmother on those important days like first day of school and tell her all about it. Your mum might just switch on!

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 13:29

Oh shit. DH has just spoken to mum about this issue. He phoned her at home without speaking to me about it first. Apparently she is going to phone me later to discuss it. Great. Nothing will change and I'll be left feeling shat on again. I wish he'd have spoken to me about it first and not gone over my head but I know he was only trying to help because he hates seeing the effect it has on me.

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Mumpbump · 03/10/2006 13:50

Oh well! It might help. At the risk of stating the obvious, (having a sensitive dh) I tend to give lots of positive feed back when discussing anything contentious or which might be a perceived criticism, ie. you are generous/loving/supportive, etc., but it would be nice if you were more x.

Good luck anyway!

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 13:52

I just know I'm going to feel wrong footed when she phones. I wanted be the one to phone first to give me a chance to get my head together.

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CheesyFeetcomingtoGETyou · 03/10/2006 13:53

He probably didn't see it as going over your heaf, he probably thought he could help by taking some of the responsibility for sorting it out from you.

Hopefully it'll help.

CheesyFeetcomingtoGETyou · 03/10/2006 13:53

Oh god, that sounded really pompous didn't it? Sorry it wasn't supposed to.

I find warm and caring tones don't always come naturally

NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 13:55

I know he was just doing what he thought was best in an apparent stand off situation.

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NomDePlume · 03/10/2006 13:56

I'd just rather the ball was in my court, and I wasn't jumping at the phone every time it rings just in case it's her wanting to have it out.

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