What do you suggest then, OPohdear ?
About what?
Women/girls must not dress "sexily" unless they accept it is inevitable there will be sexual violence against them ? (I could consider a range of behaviours to be "violence" from unwanted sexual advances/comments to rape)
"Unwanted sexual advances" count as violence? Ok then, dress modestly if it means that much to you. Or accept that a certain level of "violence" is present in our current civilisation and is probably just going to get worse before it gets better. It is depressing, indeed.
And how "not sexy" must we be to make us feel safe from such ? No short skirts ? No belly on show ? Hide our hair ? Hide our ankles ? Hide all skin ? The skin is a sexual organ after all. I got hassled many times as a schoolgirl dressed in blazer, knee length skirt and woolen tights. Your argument simply does not work.
It really depends on the context - a bikini on the beach is not provocative, but a bikini on the street is. Of course there are plenty of men who will hassle modestly dressed women, but there are more who will hassle a woman in a crop-top and mini-skirt. Hey, don't shoot the messenger, you know it's true.
How about we condition men to think otherwise, then...
Yeah, good luck with that...
Are they? Or is it just ignorance and lazy assumption...
Plenty of women think it's true as well.
How about we castrate them ?
That should work out fine.
oh noes mustn't get thought of as one of those nutcase man hating feminists!
Too late for that!
actually, feminists advocate that men are in control of their hormones (or should be)
Most men are in control of their hormones, and in fact don't sexually prey on women. But being in control of your hormones doesn't mean you don't notice women who are provocatively dressed, it just means you don't go up to them and try to have sex.
it's them manpleasing emptyheads that think they are not
Well I'm a man (as I've mentioned on other threads) but I simply cannot understand why some feminists here are happy for their daughters to go out dressed like hookers. Surely it encourages objectification, and that's bad for everyone. There's even one poster who chastised the OP for wanting her daughters to dress modestly!
What does 'sexually available' even mean other than consent between individuals? There is no general public concept of 'sexually available', and no outfit that indicates 'sexually available'.
Really, you don't know what sexually available means? Life must be so confusing for you. Here's a clue: it means open to possible sexual relations with somebody new. There are many ways men and women can give this message out, and it's a good job they do otherwise we'd be facing extinction.
The reason, by the way, that men are more attracted to sexily dressed women is because they think there's more chance they'll sleep with them, because of their implied greater sexual availability. Oh the mysterious dance of lust and love, or something like that...
OP, I get your point - there are opportunistic abusers and, say, serial abusers. The later will steal/attack/rape whenever they can, but we can and should protect ourselves against the former.