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How to get over the resentment over lack of "engagement"?

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ethelb · 23/09/2014 17:08

In May I had a thread on here about a discussion I had with DP about setting a date to get married. He had said that sounded like a good idea. A few nights later I said to him that I wanted to seriously start asking round about what was a good date for our families, but he flipped his lid.

He said that we couldn't afford it (we can afford something small actually and I would be paying) and that it was irresponsible to organise a wedding when we didn't know what was happening with my job. This is true. Long story short I handed in my resignation two months later to run my business full time. I'm a few weeks in and it is going ok. He had just started a new job after two years of uncertainty following an earlier job loss.

He also made a huge big deal about how he didn't have a ring so how was he supposed to propose? I said that I didn't want a big Disney proposal, we have been together for nearly six years, have already discussed getting married at length (ie I kind of realised I wanted to get married about three years ago and him about two years ago). I thought we could just set a date and maybe get a ring if he was game.

He was unhappy with this saying that he wanted to have a story to tell people about our proposal. He also made a big deal over how he "didn't even know what kind of ring" I liked. I said I wasn't bothered but we could go looking if he wanted to. We spent a morning looking at styles a few days later. I settled on a few ideas.

Since then he has obviously, not proposed. And I'm starting to feel he never will. But partly due to his personality rather than not wanting to.

To add insult to injury I was asked when we were getting married FIVE TIMES in the space of a week a while back. I'm sick of just smiling and nodding. There really are very few reasons why we shouldn't be married. I'm getting very resentful of his demand that he proposes when I just can't believe he would ever get round to actually organising and doing it.

For example, we recently had a massive bust-up over the fact that he had said he would book a holiday this November for our 6th anniversairy. I have booked all previous holidays, and told him it was his turn. I would like to point out he took 2.5 years to actually get round to planning on booking this holiday. We sat down, decided on the hotel etc and he said he would book it. I asked him six weeks later if he had booked it, he said no and revealed he hadn't even booked the time off and I'm afraid to say I saw red. I absolutly lost it and had a massive go at him about how he never, ever plans or books anything and how if he can't book a hotel and flights how on earth I can believe that he will ever propose?

He booked the holiday and was very upset that he had upset me and admitted that he does make excuses to avoid doing things (he does), and I feel terrible about that.

However, today I booked some stuff in for his birthday this weekend and I'm so cross about how easy it was and how incredibly easy it would be for him to just fucking propose if he wants to do that so much. I'm resentful that I have organised something nice for him. I'm thinking of cancelling as I can't imagine enjoying it with him as I am so upset about his behaviour. How do I get over that?

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patienceisvirtuous · 23/09/2014 17:14

:( OP I think you need to have a serious talk with him. Lay out what you want with a timeframe and if he isn't on board tell him you'll find someone who wants the same things as you.

How old are you? And have you got DC? (You don't have to answer those q's btw)

JetsAndSugar · 23/09/2014 17:16

Maybe you shouldn't get over it. You keep coming onto MN about him. So obviously him saying one thing and doing another is a big deal for you. Maybe you should stop making excuses for him and putting your needs lower than his.

You had to nag for the holiday to get booked. Are you his mum?

If you are prepared to leave if he doesn't marry you within x months then give that ultimatum and act on it. If you aren't prepared to leave then maybe get counselling to help you "get over" caring that your DP lies and procrastinates over big important stuff.

MaxsMummy2012 · 23/09/2014 17:17

Maybe he is planning something memorable and special for you. Maybe he'll propose in November on your holiday on your 6th anniversary. I think you need to chill out, you've talked about getting married at some point, he wants to propose 'properly' (whether you want him to or not) now you just have to be patient and if it doesn't happen by new year why dont you propose to him - with a big disney propsal. There's no point keep pushing, he'll just dig his heels in and it'll spoil the moment when it does finally happens.

magoria · 23/09/2014 17:17

If he wanted to marry you he would have proposed.

He is making excuse after excuse why you can't.

Do you really want to marry a man who only does stuff because you see red or get upset? Wouldn't it be better to be with a man who is eager and happy to do these things with you?

He won't change.

Chaseface · 23/09/2014 17:19

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whyhasmyheadgonenumb · 23/09/2014 17:26

My friend had a DP like this, she had a chat with him about it and got very annoyed with his lack of motivation on the subject. Turned out he was planning on proposing and had booked a surprise trip, he proposed in a really romantic place and they got married a year later abroad. She planned the wedding but he did get involved.
Maybe your chat will spur something along?

MaxsMummy2012 · 23/09/2014 17:27

Spoil the moment? What about the OP's ongoing welfare? He is dangling this like a carrot. And heaven forbid getting married should be a joint decision not a YouTube moment.

What ongoing welfare?! An engagement isn't a life or death situation! They've discussed it and agreed that they'll get married but it doesn't mean he's ready!

For what it's worth I think he was right to suggest waiting until jobs were secure and although OP said she could afford to fund a small wedding - maybe he wants to share the cost.

I also don't think he's dangling it like a carrot he's said they'll get married once he's proposed so she has 2 choices wait for him to ask when he's ready or ask him herself.

And there's nowt wrong with a youtube moment Wink

memphismoon · 23/09/2014 17:30

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patienceisvirtuous · 23/09/2014 17:32

Agreed memphis.

Also, if he doesn't propose on the Nov holiday, it will be completely ruined for the OP.

rainbowinmyroom · 23/09/2014 17:34

I hope to all the powers of light and dark my daughter never hooks up with a person like this.

He doesn't want to get married.

He doesn't make any effort.

He's not that into you.

He wastes your time.

You are worth SO much more than this.

Cut your losses. Don't throw good time after bad.

rainbowinmyroom · 23/09/2014 17:36

And if my son was like this with his girlfriend I'd tell her to stop wasting her time and tell him to stop being such a knob.

Gen35 · 23/09/2014 17:36

I get why you're so cross. Bottom line, how much longer do you want to give him? Practically, I'd be inclined to wait to see re birthday and holiday, but if no proposal after that, and it's a deal breaker for you (and the anger sounds as though it is), make a mental date to walk away after that without anymore twists as that's more than enough waiting and chances.

MaxsMummy2012 · 23/09/2014 17:37

You have led either a blessed or sheltered life if you think a discussion and alleged agreement to marry equals an engagement for many men!

That may be so but my husband refused to propose until he was completely ready - 4 years after meeting, my sisters soon to be husband waited 6 years, my cousins husband waited 11 years, my best friends husband 10 years to name but a few so maybe all the men I know are honest to their word and we've all been lucky in that our marriage discussions have eventually led to proposals. Not all men are big bad wolves out to cause misery, pain and mistrust!

And I agree with you the OP is clearly unhappy but only she has the power to change that - by chilling out and waiting, asking him or walking away, she needs to decide which is best for her but forcing him to do something he's not ready for will only lead to resentment and more misery.

rainbowinmyroom · 23/09/2014 17:42

He can't even be arsed to go on holiday. He admits he makes excuses. He wants a story to tell. He wants to the one to propose. Are you noticing a pattern here?

How about when it comes to other big decisions in life?

Him, him, him and what he wants.

Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

gatewalker · 23/09/2014 17:49

Why do you need a proposal from a man who is reticent to make one, OP?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 23/09/2014 17:55

He booked the holiday and was very upset that he had upset me and admitted that he does make excuses to avoid doing things (he does), and I feel terrible about that.

Someone not taking action over somethng previously discussed in depth shifts the responsibility onto the other person. It suggests they aren't wholly committed.

He is dragging his feet, still. He shouldn't have to be bludgeoned into being on the same page as you. What does this delay tell you?

You are now at the point that even organising his birthday treat rubs it in that he can't get around to proposing. Hardly spontaneous if he keeps getting reminded of course but I suspect he has dug his heels in.

yougotafriend · 23/09/2014 18:16

I gave my OH 12 months (new year 1993) he took 9. Totally ruined every special occasion in that 9 months as I was "waiting" and disappointed when it didn't happen.

I would have walked away, and in hindsight wonder if I should have, but that's a discussion for a whole other thread.!!

ethelb · 23/09/2014 18:22

Thanks for all the comments. I do get what you are saying about just leaving, but it is not easy is it. I feel I can stay and be a bit resentful or leave. But I feel that would be a waste.

With regards to the points about me proposing. I sort of did I feel by starting the discussion about setting a date. I wanted it to be a mutual decision and was not bothered by a Disney princess proposal.

Also with regard to the digging heels in comments. They really grate a little. I was at a wedding of a friend who had waiting 10 years and comments about this in the best man's speech struck me as quite rude.

My DP has had literally years to propose as a 'surprise' and hasn't. I do feel quite strongly we are way past the point of surprise anyway. There was a good three months where I didn't bring up the fact that we weren't engaged after going window shopping for rings. Prior to that a good 18 months since I had bought it up. How long do people wait to "nag" and "remind" then to ensure any proposal is spontaneous.

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Gen35 · 23/09/2014 18:25

I wouldn't stay and be resentful long term, it'll kill your love and respect for him - understandably it sound as though that's already started. Resentment is really poisonous, either talk and resolve or it's essentially an unreconcilable difference.

FinnsMum19 · 23/09/2014 18:37

Maybe he just doesn't want to get married. Have you asked him?

I don't get why women would issue a time limit on a proposal?! I would always feel like I'd forced him into something he didn't want to do. If a man wants to marry you, he will propose. It really is that simple.

FinnsMum19 · 23/09/2014 18:37

Maybe he just doesn't want to get married. Have you asked him?

I don't get why women would issue a time limit on a proposal?! I would always feel like I'd forced him into something he didn't want to do. If a man wants to marry you, he will propose. It really is that simple.

ethelb · 23/09/2014 18:49

I have asked him repeatedly if he wants to marry and he is very upset that I don't believe him when he says he wants to marry me. I have asked him that if he doesn't want to get married to please have some decency and let me know so I can choose to leave him and find someone who does.

I have tried to discuss the possibility of not being married but having legal protection re finances etc which he doesn't want to do as neither of us are against marriage.

On our first couple of dates he told me he wanted marriage and children one day and quizzed me on whether or not I did and now swears hand on heart he wants to have that with me.

I don't want to drip feed but he feels (as do I to a degree) that we are already a lot more committed to each other than many married couples due to the number of things we have gone through together (mental illness, job losses etc). But he still swears he wants to marry me.

Re this: I would always feel like I'd forced him into something he didn't want to do

I feel like he is forcing me to not be married to him iyswim. I have spent years taking his feelings into account about waiting etc and now he is refusing to really consider mine properly. I'm resentful he is happy to see me this upset over this and do nothing.

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magoria · 23/09/2014 18:55

So he doesn't want to commit to you via marriage.

And he doesn't want to commit to you to have legal protection should the worst happen.

Basically you are good enough for now but he doesn't want any more commitment than you have in case something better comes along. You are the right now girl not the right girl.

MagnificentMaleficent · 23/09/2014 18:56

Could I ask how old you are. how old he is and whether you want/have children?

I know plenty of women who have married after "nagging" their DP's but let's face it - it's shit. You didn't have to be nagged, why should he? Either he wants to or he doesn't. He says he wants to but doesn't.

I'm afraid hiss actions are speaking louder than his words. And he is being cruel by keeping you hanging on - why would you want to commit to a man like this?

rainbowinmyroom · 23/09/2014 18:56

OP, HE DOES NOT WANT TO MARRY YOU.

It really is that simple.

Time to give what you feel and want as much consideration as you give his, because he won't. He doesn't even give a shit if you go on holiday together.

He is stalling and making excuses and keeping you sweet by dangling a few carrots along about wanting a story to tell, one day, rings and shit.

Either it's enough for you or it isn't.