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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

OP posts:
Jux · 24/09/2014 11:01

You are NOT a loser. You have been subjected to a 'man' whose only way of feeling better about himself is to step on and squash someone infinitely better than him, then he feels powerful.

Now you can see him properly, and you did that by yourself - a phenomenally difficult thing to do. Not only did you open your own eyes all by yourself, but you then did something about it. You came here. You have formulated an outline plan of action. You've done all that, and got your career sorted, studying hard and doing well. Looking after and loving a lovely child. By yourself.

Do not underestimate yourself. He may look like an unclimbable mountain right now, but you'll get through - up over round, any way you like - you will get past him, and you will succeed.

YOU ARE NOT NOT NOT A LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AnyFucker · 24/09/2014 12:13

No losers to be seen here.

Sootgremlin · 24/09/2014 12:38

You are not a loser, everything you are doing with your life is positive and meaningful. You're completing your education, you're trying to help your son do well at school and taking steps to widen his horizons, the only negative stuff is being foisted on you by someone else, and you're taking steps to take control of that situation as well.

Hope you hear from WA soon. I am with you re: phone calls, I get my DH to make awkward ones for me I hate it so much, it doesn't sit well with my feminism but I do most of the DIY so I've made my peace with it.

Can you inject anything nice into your day just for yourself? Go swimming or buy a new book? You can't change the big things overnight, but I find when I'm feeling low about stuff I too often let go of the little things that would make a difference like reading and listening to music.

longtallsally2 · 24/09/2014 17:38

Hi Notsure

Could you ring 101 to ask if the local DV unit has an email address? That way if WA don't get back to you, you could send your email to the DV unit to ask their advice. If they are like my lovely friend, they will be able to give you lots of sensible support and advice.

When you feel that you are missing 'him', it isn't really him that you are missing, you know. You are missing being in a supportive and loving relationship, because that's what he could sometimes pretend that you were. You have said that he can be charming and convince other people of things. He did that to you too, so that you wouldn't complain about the awful stuff. But it wasn't real love. As sootgremlin says, if you can go NC with him, you will give yourself a chance of meeting someone good, someone kind, someone who wants to help you enjoy your life, make new friends and be happy.

You have taken the first steps towards that already. Smile

AnyFucker · 24/09/2014 18:30

Good advice there

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 18:33

Running DS' bath, so posting briefly, he's been messaging all day.
Do you think I could post the email he's just written me (personal details removed) because it would give you an idea of the crap he spouts and how it's head twisting to compare it to his actions in reality..

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AnyFucker · 24/09/2014 18:36

Post it if it will help, but We Believe You anyway. Watch out though, if you put it up, it will be googlable

magoria · 24/09/2014 18:36

Every time you get a text you feel you want to reply to. Every time you want to text him because you are a bit lonely.

Post your reply on here.

We won't laugh much honest.

Someone will always be around to keep you motivated to stay no contact.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 18:39

I will get back on after bathtime to reply properly to above messages, thank you all so much, really. xx

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ByeByeButterfly · 24/09/2014 19:04

If it helps you then post it without names and extra details in.

But importantly keep your head up and remember how he has made you feel and how it is not OK.

PacificDogwood · 24/09/2014 20:39

Just to say, you are SO not a loser Thanks

Post whatever you want, but you do know that you do not have to prove anything to us? We believe you.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:03

Thank you.
He has been texting and now an email has got through. I wanted to post the general tone of the message because it is just so full on.
I haven't replied, even though he keeps asking me to "just tell him" its over- I have already done that so why do I need to keep telling him?

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:06

When I read the amazing, passionate things he says about me, it is just so at odds with the vile things he's said and done in the past.
Its because he wants something, right?

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PacificDogwood · 24/09/2014 21:06

No, you don't need to keep telling him.
He has heard you loud and clear, he is just ignoring what you have told him.
Or trying to.
So ignore him right back Grin
He knows, but does not believe you because he needs to believe that he controls you and that you will be back.
Which of course you won't be, right?

PacificDogwood · 24/09/2014 21:06

Yes, he wants something: prove to himself that you dance to his tune.

AnyFucker · 24/09/2014 21:09

Do not reply. Him trying to make you "tell him again" is just inviting you to re engage so he can mess with your head again.

AnyFucker · 24/09/2014 21:11

Empty words mean fuck all

Anybody can say anything. They open their mouth, or tap on the keyboard, and it only means anything if it reflected consistently in their actions. Some people even manage to convince themselves but it's just empty white noise.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:27

I think that's the crux of it.
He waffles on with these grandiose, empty words of passion and lust and adoration, trying to convince himself .
As I have said to him many times, you can tell me how much you adore me as many times as you want, but each time you betray, belittle, abuse and hurt me, it means less and less until words like love, trust, sorry, change, mean NOTHING.

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AnyFucker · 24/09/2014 21:29

And also you have the crux of it. You have tried to tell him how his behaviour affects you so many times. he does not care He only cares how he can control you.

PacificDogwood · 24/09/2014 21:34

Actions speak louder than words.
Trite, but true.
The word 'sorry' mean nothing on its own if only my DS2 could understand that

He has shown you who he is by his actions many times in the past - no need to give his words more credence than they deserve: none.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:39

Gonna reply here.

Apparently:

I'm so great that I "render you powerless to stop loving me" - putting it all on me again.

When i'm taken away from you "the world becomes a dark place" - yeah cause its only you there.

You'd "fight til the death for me" - please don't bother.

You're truly sorry for your behaviour - of course you are. So sorry you'll be doing it again in two weeks or whenever I look like i'm getting on or having fun without you.

You're in pain not cause you're upset but because you've hurt me - how does that work then????

You will leave me in peace but 5 words later you say you only want me and i'm impossible to walk away from. Which one is it? We both know.

P.S - as IF you are going to see you counsellor tonight. Even if you are, you'll just be moaning about how mean I am for finally getting rid of you. She SAW me hardly able to breathe - I feel sorry for her having to deal with you.
But if it makes you feel better that you are only a horrible nasty bastard because your dad was too, then i'm sure you can both sit there for ages talking about the strategies for change that you will never make, because it's not because of your mum and dad, it's because you CHOOSE to keep doing it to me. Not any more.

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PacificDogwood · 24/09/2014 21:41

I think you've wrapped your head around it really well, now your heart just has to follow…

What a prize twat!

AnyFucker · 24/09/2014 21:43

Wow. You have nailed it !

Sootgremlin · 24/09/2014 21:45

He wants you to be sitting there thinking "he really loves me and thinks I'm beautiful and amazing...what if nobody else ever thinks this?" But they will, and, crucially, there will not be such a high price to pay for it.

He is selling you an imitation of love, just enough to keep you under control, not enough to actually make you happy.

Sootgremlin · 24/09/2014 21:47

But you already know that - just read your last post!

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