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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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NettleTea · 24/09/2014 21:48

That is the absolute truth notsure its all words words words and soon they become meaningless.

Does your uni town have a police station? You can walk in and ask for the DV unit if phoning them up is a problem (although you may feel walking in is an even bigger thing) - I know I used to hide from the phone and not even pick up to really good friends when I was in the grip of abuse. Im not really sure what the fear was - shame, concern I would break down, feeling I had nothing to say, because I just couldnt say what I needed to and was too frightened to...

The constant texts after asking him to leave you alone is enough to claim harrassment - if that is a lesser crime to deal with maybe you could start with that. Someone in the station would talk to you, and a warning from the police would allow you to stop recieving these mind spaghetti-ing texts and emails from him, it would give you the space to gain the strength and the distance you need to be strong enough not to fall from it. You dont even need to ask for the DV unit at that point, although they may direct you to a specialist officer. In some ways he is doing you a very big favour sending all this evidence to you.

Also the very real warning from the police, rather than you telling him that you WILL go to the police will send a very strong message, a sign that you are deadly serious. If you just threaten to report him he may turn nasty to frighten you off doing that, and Im sure you dont need any more head fucks from him. And at this point its just harrassment. Its your call if you want to tell them more. And its logged. And if he DOES contact you or come near you in any way then they will act, rather than waiting for that nasty moment to happen, because you seem to think, from his previous behaviour, that he wont stop.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:49

haha, thanks, I have sent messages like that before, and he's all like.. yep, yep , you're so smart, you are SO right. I need to change...
I say, ok well I won't be 'with' you, as in your partner, but i'll be there for you. I'll help you.
He is a master at being charming, vulnerable, sweet. I could send 100 messages pointing things out like that but as you said - he doesn't have any intention of doing anything about it, because I go back.
That part is my fault. He knew I would go back. he thinks I will this time..
I can't. He'll break me. Sad

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MothershipG · 24/09/2014 21:53

Have you seen thenamehaschanged's thread? She got an eerily similar email from her abusive STBXH. There appears to be a script for these abusive tossers.

Stay strong Flowers

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:53

Sootgremlin you are so right - selling you an imitation of love, just enough to keep you under control, not enough to actually make you happy

Flowers
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NettleTea · 24/09/2014 21:55

I dont think anyone has mentioned the book yet???

this helps

It was a complete eye opener for me. to actually classify it as 'abuse' rather than just think it was a relationship I wasnt happy in, and was fighting hard to make right.

And then that book seems to lead people naturally to this one

but steady, steady. Lets get him stopped in his tracks and away from you first.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:55

MothershipG I have been following thenamehaschanged 's thread, silently cheering her on, I will pop over and see what her STBXH's email says.
She has been so courageous.
And thank you for the Flowers xx

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 24/09/2014 21:58

Yep Nettle 'Angry and Controlling' literally conjures him up before me. I need a suitable 'name' by which to address 'him' on here.
I have actually read 'Toxic Parents' and found myself almost gasping in recognition Sad Might re-read it actually.

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PacificDogwood · 24/09/2014 22:00

Well, he won't break you because you won't let him Smile

Yy to the book - do read it.

arowhena · 24/09/2014 22:06

The OP's partner in "Work stress?" is doing the exact same thing, writing a gushing list of reasons he loves her which includes kindness to rodents and being good at cooking his dinner. A recommended read for you, notsure.

arowhena · 24/09/2014 22:07

Oops sorry cross post with Mothership.

BotoxedFossil · 24/09/2014 22:08

Wow. I thought id had a horrible x but even my abusive x never violated me while i slept.

Op u can rebuild yr self esteem. Please get rid of him.

IPokeBadgers · 24/09/2014 23:30

Hey notsure....you have had loads of great advice on this thread and people really do care: none of us want you to be further hurt and abused by this man. Reading your posts has given me chills and my blood runs cold at the situations you have described. I am in no doubt that you are dealing with a man who is potentially very dangerous and I am afraid for you. Please report the harassment to the police and make sure that your home is as secure as can be. Good luck and please continue to do ignore ignore ignore this sorry excuse of a man.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 11:24

Hi all,
Have had no more texts or emails today, thank god.
I haven't heard back from WA.
I am not sure how I feel about involving the police as he is not actually doing anything at the moment as he has not messaged today, and all it is, is my word that he has harassed me in the past.
Could be that he did actually go to counselling last night, told her what he has done/been doing and she has advised him not to contact me?

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Sootgremlin · 25/09/2014 13:09

That's good, glad you've had a bit of a break at least.

It is completely up to you whether you want to involve the police at this stage. The only thing is, don't wind up minimising it to yourself, if you see what I mean. Yes, it is your word against his, but remember he did actually assault you, and there is no other explanation for what he did. It wasn't a misunderstanding. We believe you, believe yourself.

My feeling is that a call to 101 just to log your concern that it could escalate based on his previous interaction with you would just make it easier if things did take a turn, you would be known to them.

I have a personal experience involving the police that I don't really want to go into here, but suffice to say they are human too, and if he is charming etc, he could charm them too, and if they have to turn up off the cuff they may not know what they are really 'seeing'. If you have already had a chat with them when you were feeling up to it, it prepares them for dealing with a more serious situation as well as you, and stops them seeing it as a one off incident.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 13:21

Yeah, it's his job to be charming, he's a salesman!
He did assault me, yeah. Repeatedly.
Its just my say so though.. I know it happened, you all believe me, I just worry I won't be believed if I speak up to the police. Every one will just think - oh this handsome charming guy? Nah, she's just a crazy bitch.
He paints me to others as a "handful" and a "nightmare"..he's even told me that he doubts anyone else would be able to "deal" with me because i'm such a "nightmare".

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 13:22

And P.S, sorry to hear about you experience with the police, sounds like it may have been less than good enough. xx

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 13:46

He's just text me, he's in my town, he wants to meet for ten minutes "just to drop my stuff off".

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LoisPuddingLane · 25/09/2014 13:50

No. No. No. No. No.

AnyFucker · 25/09/2014 13:51

You would be very foolish to do that.

switch off your phone for the rest of the day

Do not even acknowledge you have got that text

notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 13:52

I obviously am not wanting to engage, but if I don't reply, he may turn up at my house, which I really do not want.
Reply, ignore... i'm going for ignore at the moment. I have to go out to get DS at about 3.15. I am hoping he wont be out there, or at the school where I can't make a scene.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 25/09/2014 13:53

This is where he has manipulated me before. if I don't reply he uses that as an excuse to come to my house to 'check i'm alright'.

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LoisPuddingLane · 25/09/2014 13:53

He can always drop stuff outside your house and fuck off again. No need to meet up. Or drop stuff somewhere neutral.

LoisPuddingLane · 25/09/2014 13:54

If he comes to the house, do not engage with him.

AnyFucker · 25/09/2014 13:56

You have told him you don't wish to see him/talk to him. You don't have to do anything more.

If you are worried he may turn up, now is the time to call 101

LoisPuddingLane · 25/09/2014 13:58

Indeed. Please do that.