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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 11:07

well done x

KateeGee · 23/09/2014 11:08

Well done notsure, that's the first step. I was going to suggest writing it down, for yourself if no one else, if you ever thought "maybe it's not that bad".

Sootgremlin · 23/09/2014 11:42

Well done x

TalkingintheDark · 23/09/2014 12:06

Well done for contacting Women's Aid sweetheart, that's brilliant.

And well done for not replying to him. I too can't stress enough how important it is to have absolutely no contact with him. If you reply to him, even to say leave me alone, you're still engaging. You've already said it. You owe him NOTHING.

Sorry for such a rushed post earlier, what I meant by saying it would be weird not to doubt yourself was that...

You only really started questioning this yesterday. You've had years of abuse (and, as Cogito said, grooming) from him to make you believe his warped and twisted version of reality.

On top of that, from the sounds of it, your childhood was in some way abusive too, so the grooming started very early on. It's been going on all your life. You are so used to having your feelings discounted, your boundaries trampled over, your needs not met, that it feels normal to you.

People have given you the message that this is all you're worth. It's impossible not to internalise that to some extent. You inevitably believe it about yourself, on some level, when this is what you learn as a child.

One of the main coping mechanisms for dealing with abuse is denial. It's a psychological reality: when there is no support available, no means of escape, the brain has to find a way to live with it, and the way it often chooses is to say "it's not that bad - this isn't abuse - this is normal". As children, that process is unconscious, but then the pattern persists into adulthood and can effectively block us from seeing what's right there in front of us.

This is why it's normal to doubt yourself when the truth finally starts creeping in. You've had one "structure" in your brain pretty much all your life, where abuse is normalised, you blame yourself, you think that's all you deserve. And now you're starting to create a whole new structure where you will believe all the opposite things. You literally can't do it overnight! Rome wasn't built in a day, etc.

None of which is to say that you should defer taking action! And clearly you aren't doing. Just that this is a process and you should expect to feel different things about it all at different times; don't ever be led by the doubts but be gentle with yourself and accept they're there.

Anyway, you've already moved on again - it's good that writing it all out to women's aid opened your eyes some more.

What he's done to you is really, really frightening; I too fear for your safety around this man, and 100% you need to protect yourself and your DS from him. You've taken some brilliant first steps. You have got virtual "friends" and cheerleaders on here - a growing band - who will keep reminding you that you're absolutely doing the right thing if you're wavering. And I'm sure women's aid will offer you great support.

It would be really good to have this logged with the police, whether you ultimately press charges or not. You may well need their support too.

HumblePieMonster · 23/09/2014 12:34

Good, you're doing the right things now. Never let him back into your life, he's an abuser.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/09/2014 12:37

Well done writing the e-mail. You've done what my friend calls 'crossing a mental bridge'. If you take what you've written here and in your mail you've gone from keeping it all in-house and private to asking for help publicly. That's a massive step and it shows you have courage.

I hope they get back in touch with you soon. Don't hold back any information when they do. You deserve to be safe and your DS deserves to grow up with a Mum who isn't frightened

diggerdigsdogs · 23/09/2014 12:45

Well done!

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 19:35

OP, how's things ?

PacificDogwood · 23/09/2014 20:16
Thanks

I am so glad to read you have contacted WA.
I hope you get some constructive help from them on how to move this on.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 21:18

I wrote a post outside DS' school earlier, but my phone went all funny and it wouldn't post onto here.
I have had texts as my phone will only reject calls. Loving messages about how he knows i'm right and that he's hurt the one person he really loves, he'll walk away, he loves me so much...saying goodbye. Then another 3 messages saying he's never going to see me again...right?? Is this what I want?? Then repeated question mark texts.

He always does this. He won't fucking leave me alone, I know it as well as he does.
Maybe he will. I hope he just leaves it.

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PacificDogwood · 23/09/2014 21:19

He is trying to manipulate you.
Don't let him.
Stay strong and don't engage.
Thanks

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 21:21

Just ignore him

How long have you actually ignored him for before ?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 21:26

I was sitting outside DS' school missing having someone to text about day to day things who knows my situation, that I don't have to explain everything to.
I stick out like a sore thumb in the playground. I smile and say hi every day, but I have given up trying to make small talk. I look different to everyone, and I don't have a husband to mock and slag off which seems to be the main bonding activity with the big group. I won't be having that little sibling that DS asks for all the time.
After everything, not just 'him', trusting anyone seems impossible and just too risky. That girl that dumped me and slept with my ex, another before her who was just deeply toxic, horrible and self obsessed, used me for years to he her emotional punchbag, backup when nothing else on offer, alibi when she was cheating repeatedly (10 guys +) on her long term partner.. anyway, I just don't see myself growing close to anyone ever again, and that made me quite sad.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 21:31

I am ignoring, don't worry.
Just feel lonely, which is why I always re-engaged before, I also used to try to explain why what he'd done was wrong, or how it made me feel, or how he needed to change. Explaining what the problem was or why I was upset.
Wasting my breath.
I would love to see inside his head. How he justifies all this to himself.. on his own late at night.
He's pushing 40, he thinks he's not married with kids yet cause he "hasn't found a woman that gets him, and can handle him".
Once I said to him: "Maybe its cause you're mean."

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 21:32

AF about 3 months is the longest, I think

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 21:35

There is nothing inside his head, love

Just a whirling black hole of neediness and sucking self-hate

It's toxic alright

Keep going. Talk to us.

PacificDogwood · 23/09/2014 21:40

"Maybe its cause you're mean."
Well said, notsure

Why should anybody have to 'handle' their other half? Hmm
I don't get that - a healthy partnership should be something both parties get something out of; something positive and enriching.

I am sorry you are feeling lonely.
Can you find a way to be along yet not lonely?
I think you should seriously consider a long period of time for healing and counselling and finding out about who you are and when you are feeling a bit less raw and vulnerable, maybe find some activity or other to meet folk. ?Volunteer at your child's nursery ?take an art class ?Join a team sport
Just suggestions, but honestly, being alone on you own is far, far better than being alone (or abused) in a relationship.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 21:43

I think you're right. I just expected more. I think i'm too trusting, too willing to think the best of people, to try and fix them, to not abandon them like I've been abandoned.

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PacificDogwood · 23/09/2014 21:45

I like to think the best of people, as my default setting. I like people as a rule.

I don't think I can fix them.
Maybe that is something you need to work on? Really fully accepting and internalising that the only person you can change is YOU. It will be hard to overcome trust issues and abandonment experiences, but it can be done.

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 21:46

Lovey, nothing marvellous is suddenly going to happen to you because you have dumped this guy

we would all do it a lot sooner if that were the case

it's going to be more of a gradual realisation of the lack of someone dragging you down that is the key here

and that is a gradual thing....just like it gradually crept up on you in the first place, right ?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 21:48

I am a natural introvert, I used to do things like draw, write, read for hours, I just can't focus at the moment. I do actually like being alone.
It's just those times where you see others so busy with being involved with so many other people, and i'm just standing there like a lemon, in the playground! I kind of think....should I be doing that?
Like I said before, the times I have been most peaceful and happy are when I've been single :) I have been trying to get away/getting my head twisted by this guy for the past 4.5 years...It's ironic because I never wanted a relationship in the first place- I think I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and should have trusted my instincts.
Again, thought maybe I should be doing what everyone else was saying - screw DS' dad, go for a drink with this hot guy.... D'oh!

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 23/09/2014 21:53

But something marvellous has been happening all along, that I have a truly amazing son, and I have been able to work my arse off and get into uni. I'm starting my second year, and if I have to crawl onto that graduation stage exhausted, I will bloody well complete this degree.
I will make DS proud.
Like you said, this bubbling away in the background, sneaking up on me until I end up writing a post like I did yesterday.
Thank you all for being here Flowers

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AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 21:54
Thanks
PacificDogwood · 23/09/2014 21:55

Nought wrong with being an introvert.
Nothing wrong with not being part of the 'in-crowd'.
You have to learn to trust yourself and your judgement again.
And you will Smile

AnyFucker · 23/09/2014 21:57

I am a bit of an introvert

my school run days are over (thankfully) but I never used to stand and bitch in the schoolyard in all the years I was still doing it

drop'n'run, that was me

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