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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 27/09/2014 09:48

Cross post AnnaRose i will definitely ask about it when (if?) WA ring back. X

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magoria · 27/09/2014 09:52

You need to move the keys away from where DS can get them in future and tell him not to do it again.

FunkyBoldRibena · 27/09/2014 09:53

Coercing a child to assist in breaking and entering. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

OP - I know you are in a very difficult position but you really need to see that these men are walking all over you. Have you thought about an assertiveness course?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 27/09/2014 10:18

Thank you for highlighting it Ribena , yes an assertiveness course sounds a good idea.
DS' dad always makes out like i'm an "angry person" or uptight when I voice concerns over his behaviour. Like growing weed in his greenhouse or having a filthy house, or thinking its cool to take drugs (?!) or maybe not ripping out his central heating and relying on a broken woodburner, or getting a fridge (DS sometimes has medicine that needs a fridge) or a washing machine (DS gets a spotty bum and smells from dirty towels) etc etc etc I could be here all day.
Apparently I "want a dictatorship".
SO like a mug the other week I cleaned his filthy encrusted toilet because I couldn't bear to sit on it. He didn't even notice and when I pointed it out, was like oh thanks and changed subject.
Need to stop being a mug Sad
Thank you all Flowers

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Jux · 27/09/2014 11:48

Could you say to ds' dad that pick up is at 9 and you are going out at 9.30 - and then do exactly that? So neither of you are there when he turns up at 10ish. It would mean no break for you, extra effort to be ready yourselves, organising/spending more etc.

Mind you, Freedom Programme with sort out your boundaries, your twatdar and your assertiveness. Is there one near you?

notsurehowigottothispoint · 27/09/2014 13:20

Jux i have tried that! When Ds was way younger. He didn't start getting there on time, just accused me of being petty and i ended up having DS all the time anyway cause he wasnt really bothered until DS was about 4 and he didn't have to do as much ie wipe his bum etc.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 27/09/2014 13:21

Oops long sentences and bad grammar there-on phone.
Nothing from 'him' today so far Smile

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tipsytrifle · 27/09/2014 13:38

I literally had a panic attack reading how DS' father got in! If you were cleaning his toilet then I guess that means you were actually in XH place? Is that necessary? He and his activities sound disgusting ...

Alongside the other matter that shouldn't really be wasting oxygen either, I think it might be ok for you to get very, very Angry. Please make sure DS knows in no uncertain terms that he is not to open the door to anyone at all.

Strawdolly · 27/09/2014 14:37

Notsure, does your DS sleep at his dad's house? The reason I ask is because you mentioned the broken woodburner. I don't want to alarm you but a broken woodburner could be potentially fatal and from what you say he doesn't sound like the kind of guy to have a carbon monoxide alarm. If he thinks you're being uptight, tough shit - your boy's safety is paramount.

FunkyBoldRibena · 27/09/2014 15:21

It sounds like his dad not seeing him would be a good thing. That sounds like a death trap of a house.

SolidGoldBrass · 27/09/2014 17:04

You mentioned upthread that your family are horrible and you are NC. I'm afraid that's the reason why you have been so attractive to arsehole abusive men - they have radar for people who are accustomed to being mistreated.
OK, that's the reason - but the important thing to remember is:
It doesn't make it your fault, in the slightest, that horrible people are horrible to you.
You CAN learn ways to spot horrible people and tell them to fuck off before they get their claws into you....

And when you begin to learn these things and accept yourself as a valid, loveable, worthwhile human being, a lot of the predators will not come near you anyway. So it all gets a lot easier - and you can have a lovely life with nice people in it. You're getting stronger day by day as it is.

PacificDogwood · 27/09/2014 17:09

Do some reading around the Freedom Program online - there is also assertiveness advice available; I'll post some links in a mo'.

Just because you may have been conditioned from a young age to accept being treated badly, does not mean you have to carry on like that Smile.
You can learn to love yourself, be quite self-sufficient in your emotional needs and then, in time, you may be able to find a relationship in which you will feel valued and supported and loved and which will add to the net sum of your happiness.

Your ex was well out of line - gaining access like that Angry
Get a chain on the door; one that your DS cannot open (I don't think that opening the door for his dad should get him in to trouble btw - he just did as his father told him. Poor kid).

PacificDogwood · 27/09/2014 17:11

Being assertive from Leeds Uni

SkillYouNeed

MoodJuice

MoodScope - if you fancy a cheery little email message everyday that helps you with emotional 'housekeeping'

There is lots of this stuff available online Smile, some is very good.

PacificDogwood · 27/09/2014 17:12

FreedomProgramme online course - costs a tenner

TalkingintheDark · 28/09/2014 09:37

How are you doing, notsure? Hope still nothing from 'him'.

And yes, when the dust settles a bit, I think you will need to have a look at how your rotten childhood has set you up to be an easy target for these users and abusers. You may need to do some work "reparenting" yourself, as it's clear your actual parents failed badly. They left you feeling worthless and undeserving, when in fact you sound like an amazing person.

You come across as loving and caring, a fantastic mum, someone with loads of determination, and very, very bright and articulate. It's so, so hard to feel our true worth when those we loved and depended on didn't reflect it back to us as we were growing up - when in fact, they projected all their own shit onto us to make themselves feel better.

But you are making massive strides in taking care of yourself properly - you've come so far in under a week! - and with good support, you can change these patterns re boundaries and identifying abusive, unacceptable behaviour. As your self esteem goes up, you won't tolerate this stuff any more.

None of this is your fault. You are dealing with so much, so well. Hope today's a good day, lovely.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 15:08

Haven't been able to update, not in a great place today due to hugely draining friend visiting and DS bein at a party.
He is still messaging, friend so negative which makes me feel so lonely. Struggling.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 28/09/2014 15:37

Can you tell draining friend to sod off or shut up?

Can I tell her for you?

ocelot41 · 28/09/2014 15:51

I just wanted to reiterate what everyone on this thread has said. This man is an abusive rapist. I am so sorry you have encountered him. Please talk to Women's Aid about how to plan your escape route safely. My heart goes out to youThanks

Sootgremlin · 28/09/2014 15:58

That's a shame. We all have those days (and those friends!) try not to let it knock you off course.

Weekends can be harder sometimes than during the week as there's so too much weight of expectation on them being fun and relaxing, and I always find it easier to feel low without structure.

It'll all be catching up with you a bit too I expect. Your ds had a party though, that sounds good, can you do something nice with him when he gets in?

Take care.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 16:23

I'm at the party now with DS and 'friend '.
Trying not to cry tbh.

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Strawdolly · 28/09/2014 16:39

Deep breaths, Notsure - don't let negative nancy bring you down. Give her the old heave ho.

BTW, I think you should change your name to Damnsure! Grin Flowers

Sootgremlin · 28/09/2014 16:45

Oh I see. Anyone else you can talk to? Just hold it together notsure, this too shall pass Flowers

notsurehowigottothispoint · 28/09/2014 17:16

Home now, she's gone. NEVER AGAIN. Even DS age 6 said she has nothing nice to say about anyone and "we can get some peace now she's not talking all the time".
She was in my city and dropped in . I honestly don't want to see her again, she was being RACIST ABOUT THE CHILDREN AT THE PARTY. Vile .
Shes actually my polar opposite. I know her from over a decade ago...
I am completely drained. Exactly what i didn't need.
He has been in contact. Still haven't replied, though i have been tempted.
Thanks for checking in on me, i will read everything properly and reply once I've got DS to bed. Thanks Thanks

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PacificDogwood · 28/09/2014 17:44

Ah, sorry you had a bad day.
Your 'friend' does not sound like a helpful presence in your life just now

Are you familiar with the phrase 'emotional vampire'? I think it means people who drain another person of their emotional strength for their own needs, but personally I think it should include anybody who does not add to the balance of positive things in your life. You may not be able to 'afford' somebody like that just now - all very well when you are happy and resilient, not so much when you are low and sad.

Hope you have a lovely bedtime with your DS.
And later have Cake.
(I am not saying Wine because that can be such a slippery slope but by all means have a glass too)

Sootgremlin · 28/09/2014 17:45

Sounds an utter nightmare! Your ds sounds a smart cookie though Smile