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What is this situation, and how do i practically and emotionally get out of it? (long, possibly triggering)

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 22/09/2014 14:07

Sorry, this is extremely long and i'm so worried about posting. It has been therapeutic to put it down in words though, and thank you so much if you get to the end.

I am a very long time lurker and occasional poster but have NC for this post. There is so much to say.. I guess I will start with what happened this weekend just gone and fill in from there to give a more detailed picture of the situation I have found myself in. This has been going on, on and off, for four, nearly five years.

On Friday I went away with ‘him’, for 2 nights at a b&b to “spend some time together”. We’re not ‘together’ and haven’t been for years as it has been really on and off, he is nice for a bit then does something awful and I am hurt and back away then he swears he’s changed…god it’s such a cliché.

Anyway, we went for a pub meal, I had one glass of wine, we went back to the hotel and I changed into pyjamas and got into bed. I kissed him, said I had enjoyed spending time with him and that I was shattered, turned over and went to sleep, drowsy with it being late- when I am tired its almost like a physical shutdown, I just crash out and can be asleep within a minute of my head hitting the pillow.

I was aware of him sort of trying it on as I drifted off, and said no, leave me alone, he stopped and I was able to get to sleep. Woke up I don’t know how long afterwards with a sharp pain as he was pushing his penis into me. I exclaimed ow! , said stop!, and he muttered sorry, I put my hand over myself ( my vagina) and must have fallen back into sleep.

Woken again by him pulling my shorts down and trying to touch and push his fingers into my vagina and bum (I’m sorry for TMI but don’t know how else to explain it). I pushed his hands off and said stop it, but he kept going back, wouldn’t stop, I was so tired. I crawled out of bed onto the floor to get away from him and he was like, look, I’m sorry, I’ll leave you alone, get back into bed. This happened once more and he got angry and said fine I’ll fucking sleep on the floor.

Around 4am I woke up and my bits were on fire, I had to get up and hold a cold wet towel on them in the bathroom. He moaned that I was waking him up (he was on the floor with spare blankets).

The next morning I was still sore and he was acting all nice as pie talking about what we were going to do that day. I was in the shower and sort of had a bit of a panic, as I was sexually abused and raped by older boys when I was 13 and as I got older and in my mind I was in the shower trying to soothe my sore bits and feeling about 13.
He was in the room between the bathroom and the door to get out and I felt a bit panicky.
No one knows this, but he knows something happened like that in my past. I told him I was having a bit of a panic and he was like “Why??”

I came out of the shower and told him I wasn’t happy about how he’d acted last night. I explained how sore I was. He said “I’ve already said I’m sorry, what more do you want me to do?”. I said that he has said sorry so many times before that it has lost meaning for me. I am sick of him always thinking he can take what he wants from me. He went completely mental saying oh are you calling me a rapist then?? I said no, but it wasn’t exactly consent if I was asleep is it? He said “ that’s it, here we go I’m such a bastard” etc etc. I asked him to take me home and he got really angry and drove dangerously and aggressively.
I have been in this situation so many times I have lost count. It feels normal. Since then I’ve had the usual messages ranging from I’m sorry, I’ll change, to “we’re obviously sexually incompatible” and “you just can’t handle my desire”.

History part: (I will try and be as concise as possible, as I say this has been going on for years and a lot has happened)

*10 months after I broke up with DS(now 6)’ dad, I was asked out for a drink by ‘him’. Had known of him and met him a few times over previous 5 yrs as had mutual friends. Friends actively encouraged me to meet with him. Went out and looking back he tried it on first night we met but I rebuffed him as I just personally can’t do sexual things with people I don’t know and care for.

*We started dating and 4 months in at his Bday drinks he got really drunk and this girl he knows was all over him, touching his chest, he ignored me all night despite me trying to join conversation, I went out to beer garden for less than 15 mins while a friend smoked and he went mental and got angry cause I’d apparently “fucked off”. I thought I’d better take him home, we stopped for food and this girl popped up and they were literally touching each others faces for about 40 mins while I stood there with a cold pizza and only stopped when I got in a taxi to leave.
Next day all apologies and swore he’d not have contact with her – FF to him leaving his fb message open on my laptop where he was asking her when she was next free for a drink. Lied to my face, then sorry. (Sounds so teenage, no?)

*The whole time he has accused me of sleeping with my son’s dad because I put myself out to facilitate contact and promote his relationship with DS.

*Accuses me of sleeping with male friend I’ve known since I was 17.

*When I bumped into old housemate I haven’t seen for a decade he threw a tantrum cause I was ‘ignoring him and taking the piss’, was rude to said friend and stormed off. When we got home he ranted for FOUR HOURS about how I was taking the piss and I don’t care about him, when I asked him to stop shouting at me he screamed “ This isn’t shouting THIS IS FUUUUUCKING SHOUUUUUTINGGGGG!!!!” Poor kids next door. Then refused to let me leave his house or sleep in a different room to me and slept practically ‘guarding’ me all night on the floor next to the sofa I slept on cause I wouldn’t go to bed with him. Oh and he threw sofa cushions around with such force they snapped his solid wood blinds. Again next day he’s “sorry” and he’ll change.

*Threw strops about me wanting to go to college to get into uni and why won’t I move in and have kids with him. Accused me of sleeping with every male on said college course.

*When I actually got confidence from going to college and met new friends and broke up with him (very carefully) he waged a campaign against me with 100’s of abusive texts a day, emails, letters, and actually standing outside my window and looking into my basement flat where he saw a male friend I was actually telling how scared I was he would do something awful and going completely mental that I’d been “fucking”(ugh) this guy all along and I’m a lying bitch etc etc. I hadn’t, of course.

*Around this time he purposefully got in contact with a girl I had been very close friends with but she had dumped me with no explanation while my son (then 2) was seriously ill in hospital at xmas, and repeatedly slept with her then told me all about it. Why it had to be her I still don’t understand as it was heartbreaking. He told me how they sat there and said I didn’t deserve him.

*Every time I was so hurt I felt I couldn’t take any more and broke up with him, he was so relentless and alternately vicious and horrible about me or telling me what a princess I am, banging on my door, phonecalls etc I am ashamed to say it was just easier to see him.

*Over all these years I have done things like: Had sex with him to get him to stop hurting and pawing/poking/prodding at me. Cried as he had sex with me. Given him hand relief to get him to leave me alone.

*Since I have completed college at distinction, gained a place at an excellent uni and moved cities on my own with DS, he has said things like “I bet you tell everyone at Uni you’re a poor old single mum an no one loves you so that they feel sorry for you”. I’m alternately a bitch, a “fucking little pikey cunt”(?!) and a lovely woman, a princess.

I would like to point out that DS has actually only witnessed one incident where there was low level arguing out of the room and he then called me a bitch in front of him which was unacceptable. The rest has been messages, emails, phonecalls, and when DS has not been there. Everyone thinks he is a good looking charming man. The above are just a few examples of a lot of things that have happened.

Outwardly, I must seem capable, I am bringing up a son, I’m full time at uni on a professional course, I am getting good marks, excellent feedback on placement. Part of me is just indifferent about this whole thing, that I might as well accept I’ll never be free of him, the harassment, the declarations of love, I might as well just have his kids and do what he wants. Why do I go back? I just can’t answer that. Maybe part of me wants to be loved. I feel dismayed that this has taken five years of my life, but part of me feels I probably deserve it.

Reading this back I sound like a spineless victim and I’m ashamed at the reality of it. Please can you be honest with me about what this situation is, and how best, practically and emotionally, to get out of it? I am in another cycle of apologies and promises of change from him at the moment, he is not listening to what I am saying.

Thank you so much for reading.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/09/2014 13:53

Suggest you create an e-mail folder entitled... what shall we call it... 'A load of bollocks'? ... and direct anything from him instantly into it. Open it for WA or the police but otherwise don't bother.

HelenaQC · 26/09/2014 13:58

Please don't take any notice of a single thing he says, Not.

He's now in "If I say the right things, she'll think I've really changed and give me a second chance" mode.

Everything, literally everything he says is all about getting himself back into control and his desperation is such that he'll say absolutely anything.

You need to recognise that.

A well balanced, genuine man who really "got it" would leave you the fuck alone.

I don't think reading anything he has to say is doing you any good at all. Blocking his number and email address is no good because he'll just use different numbers and addresses to reach you.

Can you get a new mobile number and give it to no one except school, your ex and uni? A SIM card is about £5. And how about a brand new email address?

I know that you want to know what he's going to do next, but how does this really benefit you? If he shows up at your home then you dial 101 or 999 depending on the situation.

I think NC in this instance has to mean not reading as well as not responding to anything he has to say.

Let him talk to himself. Fuck him.

And you are doing brilliantly, btw :)

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 14:05

Hmm, yes he has seemingly made new email addresses, and texting from different numbers, new fb account.
Yes, I think a new folder would be good, i had a quick search and i have emails from 2013 where he is saying exactly the same thing Grin
Blocking him would be good, but at the same time the more he emails me, the more he proves he's not leaving me alone as I've asked.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 14:08

Actually, emails from 2010 with the same sentences in them. Wow.

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LoisPuddingLane · 26/09/2014 14:10

the more he emails me, the more he proves he's not leaving me alone as I've asked

This is a good point, as long as you can stand to read them without responding.

2010 eh? Cutting and pasting probably!

HelenaQC · 26/09/2014 14:10

He can carry on emailing you as much as he likes....it's all evidence that you can access. Same goes for text messages.

But you have to use your phone and email, and ignoring something is much more difficult than simply not seeing it at all. His communications must be invisible to you.

My worry is that this is the same channel he's used in the past to break down your defences. I am not saying that it will work this time (I hope it doesn't), but it has in the past so you need to concrete up the way in, if that makes sense.

You have told him to leave you alone. ANY communication from now, even the lovey dovey crap is now harassment and a criminal offence.

pearpotter · 26/09/2014 14:14

Change your email address. Mark his emails as junk mail.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 14:15

Yeah, reading the emails from 2010, 2011, the pleading i'm sorry/i'll change/i love you/ i know i was wrong/ i'll leave you alone if you want me to/can we still be friends/ will you meet me?/why won't you meet me?/ i know you have someone else/ i realise how wrong i was/ let me show you how much I've changed

It's actually ridiculous.

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 14:16

Wondering if WA think i meant after 3, rather than before 3..they said the lady on duty would ring me when she'd finished the assessment she was doing, and wouldn't be long.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 26/09/2014 15:31

Still think the nice bits are genuine OP?

Because he isn't.

magoria · 26/09/2014 15:41

So all those messages from years ago. Did he change...

SolidGoldBrass · 26/09/2014 16:08

Hang in there and keep ignoring him. And when the messages change from pleading to threats, let the police know and they will go round and have a word. Decent police officers absolutely despise men like this.

Keptmanskeeper · 26/09/2014 16:21

Well done, Notsure! I've stumbled upon your thread today and read the whole lot when I should have been working.
You're doing so well!

The first steps are done. Keep it up. In a year or two, you'll be the one offering support and advice to another MNer who is being treated badly Smile

Well done MNers, too - you have provided great advice and support. Flowers

FWIW, I'm a complete extrovert and I still hate making phone calls and go red every time I make a call! I reassure myself that the person on the other end can't see me...

longtallsally2 · 26/09/2014 16:32

Notsure - so impressed with all you have achieved today. If WA do phone back after 3pm, just say that you are sorry, it's not convenient to talk now, please could they call back on Monday when your son will be in school - ie between 9 and 3.

I am justified aren't i? Even though we've had consensual sex, even though I've chosen to see him, and go back again and again? Yes, totally justified. Even if you had been swinging from the chandeliers ten minutes earlier with him, you clearly said no, and he chose to deliberately continue. That is rape. In fact, many rape victims in relationships choose to go back to their abuser. You don't want to believe that he did that to you; you don't want to believe that he thinks so little of you, so you go back to convince yourself that you misunderstood, and to allow him to convince you that he loves you. You wanted to believe that you were mistaken. It is known to be a feature of abusive relationships and therefore certainly doesn't undermine anything that you have said.

Jux · 26/09/2014 17:46

WOW Notsure! You have been flying Grin Good on you making those calls, you have been so brave today. I hope that has bolstered your courage a bit, and you will feel less uneasy about next time.

He is a nasty toad isn't he? Years of mails and texts all saying the same things. You poor thing, no wonder you have found it so hard to keep him at arms length.

I am so glad the police were so good. I hope you hear back from them pronto.

Don't worry about ds. Getting rid of the toerag demonstrates amply that you are a fit mum; you are protecting your child by doing as you have.

KOKO, love. Impressive Thanks

notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 20:52

longtallsally yep, I 100% wanted to believe that I was mistaken. I still do Sad Sad

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notsurehowigottothispoint · 26/09/2014 20:55

I wish the dream, the facade I've been clinging onto was real. I know that sounds hard to understand cause you've only heard the bad things.
And they're bad, i know, and I'm still ignoring, and will continue to be NC... but i am sad.

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IPokeBadgers · 26/09/2014 21:22

Notsure - it is OK to be sad... keep talking to us and get all of it out into the open. You are doing really well....just keep ignoring him and filing any emails into a folder unread. There is nothing of any value/worth/truth in anything he has to say so don't put yourself through the angst of reading it. Anything that gets through to you just file and ignore until the day you can show it to the police as evidence....given his behaviour so far, all you have to do is give him enough rope and he will hang himself by showing what an abusive cretin he is. There will be better days in your future....just keep taking the baby steps and look after yourself and your child.

tipsytrifle · 26/09/2014 21:44

"I want you to understand that how I've behaved isn't a reflection on you."

He declared right there what kind of monster he is that it is not your fault at all that he is as he is. It doesn't matter what seems "nice" about him any more. Where there is abuse there is Darkness. It is to be rejected.

He is a Nasty person ... leave him be, whatever he throws at you ...

PacificDogwood · 26/09/2014 22:15

Wow! notsure, so bloody well done, phoning the police and WA!
I am so proud of you

PedantMarina · 27/09/2014 07:50

Have you reported the Facebook harassment to FB yet? I understand they're pretty keen to stop that sort of thing, especially since he's created a new profile to do it. And ditto any email provider he starts a new account with.

Overall, I am so impressed with how far you've come! Just a few days ago you weren't even able to make the calls, now you're getting all assertive over when WA rings you back! Are you turning into an ass-kicker or wha? Grin

Your OP just broke my heart. I hope you get the courage to have the police arrest him, for both the rape and the continued harassment.

Thanks
PacificDogwood · 27/09/2014 08:46

Wishing you a good weekend Thanks

notsurehowigottothispoint · 27/09/2014 08:55

Morning everyone,
Thanks for all your replies Flowers
I couldn't sleep last night, I am finding it so hard to reconcile the nice him with the awful things that he's done, and to realise that they are wrong, the things he's done to me.
Imagining if I take him to court and he gets off and starts taking it all out on me, or if somehow he manages to reel me back in.
I'm all over the place.
DS' dad meant to be here at nine, we both know he won't be. Even DS was like I don't need to get dressed yet cause dads always late Grin

At least he's consistent with being late. In my head I always call him "reliably unreliable". What he has done over the last six years is another thread altogether. In fact, I think I posted about him then, something small and got a LTB :) - I did, and i'm glad but it hasn't been easy.
This sounds horrible but I guess I can express myself on here, DS' dad is a useless twat. He wants a dad of the year award and everyone thinks he's so great, he's done fuck all and expects me to love him for it.

DS' school report from last year still in the same place I left it for him in his filthy kitchen, unopened, didn't want to make an appointment for parents evening "what's the point?".

He won't be here til at least ten, probably later, throwing our day out. But he doesn't care, i'm the bad one for having a problem with it. I will stop there as I could be here all day talking about the crap I have had from him, it's not great Sad

I clearly need to work on why I think guys are great and they turn out to be abusive shitheads with issues. As someone said on KateeGee's (Hi KateeGee Flowers ) thread about boundaries..

Staying away from involvement for a long while.

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Annarose2014 · 27/09/2014 09:45

Do the Freedom Program. So many ladies on here have done it and found it amazing. On the "Work Stress" thread she's doing it right now and the lady from the Freedom Program has been wonderful.

notsurehowigottothispoint · 27/09/2014 09:46

Got fed up waiting for DS' dad and got in the shower. Heard some commotion downstairs and he's in the house!
He had shouted through the letter box to DS to get the keys, stand on a chair, undo top and bottom bolts on front door, open it, unlock outer door and let him in.
AIBU telling them both that that wasn't cool? DS dad acting like I'm uptight and DS sheepish cause he knows not to open door without me but his dad shouted to him to do it.

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