Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Am pregnant. Dp really does not want this baby. I do. Please help me.

108 replies

allyjay · 13/09/2014 11:37

Hi Everyone

Feeling a bit desperate this morning. I have lots of friends and family in RL but don't feel I can confide in any of them. Feel so lonely and sad. This is the story: Dp and I have been together for just over 8 years. I have a DC (who is 16) from a previous marriage and we have two DC together (5 and 3 nearly 4 respectively). Several months ago I came off the pil, I had been on it since the birth of my youngest and was fed up of taking (well forgetting to take) it. Dp knew this and we agreed to use condoms instead. Anyway, fast forward a few months we'd both had a few drinks (well many) and we ended up having sex and not using a condom, more than once I'm afraid to say. We didn't really discuss the prospect of pregnancy, except to agree that it was unlikely, after only two times and given my age (40) that I would concieve. How very very stupid we were. He did also say at the time 'I don't really want another baby' but went ahead and had sex we with me without protection anyway.

I am pregnant, obviously, and I really thought when I told him several weeks ago that he would huff and puff a little bit, but then get used to the idea and be happy. It has not been like that at all. He made it clear that he doesn't want another child and that can't see how it would be a good thing for us and our family at all. I on the other hand, whilst feeling a little bit apprehensive for the same reasons as him, would really like to have this baby. The conversation ended up with a stalemate and me in tears. Basically he wants me to have a termination. This was three weeks ago. Life has carried on. I had a midwife booking in appt.which he even took me to and various letters through the post about pregnancy related appointments. I had started to hope that his silence on the subject meant that he was coming round to the idea and sort of kept a bit quiet. What a stupid stupid bitch I am. This morning I mention, in passing, that I am going to be under consultant led care, given my age and past history of anxiety and depression and he acted all surprised and said but we haven't really resolved all this yet. I was speechless really. I told him that whilst I had misgivings like him (small house but looking to buy bigger very soon, my history of depression, and how it will affect other children etc) I was certain I wanted to go ahead with the pregnancy. He says I've buried my head in the sand, which I suppose I have, but I told him in our first conversation that I was NOT willing to terminate and my position hasn't changed.

He is now saying we need to sit down and have long conversation about it and that I need to 'persuade' him that having this baby is a good thing. He didn't actually say we would split up if I refused to terminate but did say something like 'I don't want to split up but......'.I feel so pathetic and stupid that I could have let this happen. I did know that he wasn,t that keen on another baby but went ahead anyway. I really, really don't want to terminate this pregnancy but thinking maybe I should for the sake of everyone else? I don't know what to do, I wish I had heeded him at the time instead of thoughtlessly and selfishly ploughing on and thinking 'ah it will be all right probably won't get pregnant anyway'.

Just to let you know we have never had problems before, yes we fight like any other couple but he is a loving and generous partner and father to me and the children. So sorry for the long windedness of it, I hope it makes sense. I am happy to answer any questions and I would very much appreciate any thoughts or advise. Thank you all

OP posts:
icy121 · 13/09/2014 14:42

Horrid situation.

Is t worth seeing a 3rd party counsellor type thing - someone who is trained in this sort of scenario and who can lead the discussions and avoid just disintegrating into shouting/tears?

itsbetterthanabox · 13/09/2014 14:43

Please ignore quint op they are just being goady and cruel. This isn't your fault you didn't lie or force anything.

slithytove · 13/09/2014 14:46

Yes quint, but the difference is the OP is taking responsibility for the result of unprotected sex. Her DP is trying to absolve himself from responsibility.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 13/09/2014 14:46

vivacia I don't think he was saying, "ah, what will be, will be. If you get pregnant and I'm consenting to have another baby".

^ that is exactly what he was saying because he KNOWS the OP has had two previous terminations and would not have another.

hostage to his fortune

What kind of shite is that? HE chose to have unprotected sex, he's an adult, he knows the possible consequences. FFS.

We'll have to disagree on this. I believe that having unprotected sex means you have to accept responsibility for a child if one "appears" as a result

One has appeared, he now has to take responsibility for that - what exactly is your point?

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 13/09/2014 14:49

Quint it is not the OP complaining about the consequences of having unprotected sex.

LuluJakey1 · 13/09/2014 14:50

Why didn't you go and get the morning after pill at the time when you didn't use the condoms? It doesn't change where you are now but I just wonder?

It sounds like he might well be 'persuaded' but you could end up alone if the pressure on the relationship becomes too much.

Your daughter can leave if it doesn't suit her. You can't be held to ransom by a 16 year old who could make the threat and go tomorrow over anything that didn't suit her.

If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. Your body, your life, your choice.

Vivacia · 13/09/2014 14:53

If he didn't want a baby he shouldn't have been trying for a baby. That's what unprotected piv sex is.

What kind of shite is that? HE chose to have unprotected sex, he's an adult, he knows the possible consequences. FFS.

I disagree. If I have unprotected sex a man can get stuffed if he thinks I'm consenting to have his baby.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 13/09/2014 14:53

ally - sorry to hear about your struggle with depression & all of the family stuff, that's rough :(

Yet I still feel that it's all my fault too and that I somehow forced him to DTD

You have to get that notion out of your head right now. Unless you were holding a gun to his head, he chose to have PiV sex with you knowing there was no contraception being used. His decision.

Lweji · 13/09/2014 14:54

We'll have to disagree on this. I believe that having unprotected sex means you have to accept responsibility for a child if one "appears" as a result. I don't think it means you are agreeing to have a child.

But it still means that you do "have to accept responsibility for a child if one "appears" as a result." That was my point.

tribpot · 13/09/2014 14:54

This is not your fault. You both took a risk but only one of you is now pregnant. If the baby is born, you both need to decide how you want to parent it and your other children and you can't make his decision for him. He can't make yours for you. You don't need to persuade him - the pregnancy is here.

OP, I think you know this is your last baby. You have a choice to make but I think you already know what you want to do. His choice is now up to him.

His reaction to being asked to have a vasectomy will be interesting.

I hope everything works out for you, OP.

Vivacia · 13/09/2014 14:54

Latte I would expect my partner to have full and lengthy discussions with me about having another child, something to be planned and carefully thought through.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 13/09/2014 14:56

I am actively against 'persuading' him that this is a good idea, the OP will end up getting it thrown back in her face when they have a crying baby in the house. She simply needs to remind him that they both had unprotected sex, it has resulted in a baby. She is keeping the baby, he needs to decide if he is staying or going. End of. It is not her job to placate him over this, he is a grown man FFS. SHE didn't go and get pregnant on her own.

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 13/09/2014 14:56

"Yet I still feel that it's all my fault too and that I somehow forced him to DTD."

Don't feel like this, please.

I think it is fair to listen to his concerns, but he doesn't get to pressure you. Ideally it would be along the lines of "I'm scared you are going to get PND" "me too, so I'm going to do xyz to help counteract the risk" - so constructive conversation.

And congratulations on your pregnancy!

Lweji · 13/09/2014 14:56

If I have unprotected sex a man can get stuffed if he thinks I'm consenting to have his baby.

Because you can make the choice to have an abortion, and you can make the choice to have the morning after pill.
The man has the choice of not having PIV sex. Or go and get a condom, or have a vasectomy if he really doesn't want children and his wife has stopped the pill.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 13/09/2014 14:57

vivacia bit fucking late now.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 13/09/2014 14:58

lweji Brew - it's almost early enough for Wine I'm certainly feeling it might help.

FloozeyLoozey · 13/09/2014 14:58

Why didn't he just get the snip when you said you didn't want to go on the pills any more?

allyjay · 13/09/2014 15:02

It didn't cross my mind to go and get the after morning pill, I now wish to God it had.

The incident went something like this (sorry if tmi) in the middle of drunken sex, dp slurs to me 'God I love sex without a condom, but we really shouldn't as I don't want another baby'. My response, again drunk, was along the lines 'I would not mind another baby'. That was it. He did not pull away in horror or say 'wtf really????'. So I assumed it wasn't really a big deal. Wish I had now run screaming from the room! That is why the morning after pill did not really occur to me, it all seemed like a non event at the time. I can now see I was wrong. I should have taken dp very seriously indeed and insist he withdraw straight away! All dead romantic eh?

OP posts:
itsbetterthanabox · 13/09/2014 15:03

Vavacia obviously as a woman you aren't consenting to have a child or not. If you fall pregnant then that choice is up to you because it is your body! The op's partner is trying to tell her what to do with her body that's the difference!
As a man if you opt to have piv then you must accept that this can result in pregnancy and if it does then the decision of whether to have the child or not is down to the person who is pregnant.
Yes in ideal world all pregnancies would be planned but in reality people fail to use contraception or contraception fails. When that happens women must have autonomy.

Vivacia · 13/09/2014 15:04

So I assumed it wasn't really a big deal.

With the new information, I can see why you'd conclude that. How are you feeling now?

Vivacia · 13/09/2014 15:05

When that happens women must have autonomy.

I have never once argued otherwise.

Lweji · 13/09/2014 15:08

Oh, ally, you shouldn't have run screaming. It was his choice. You didn't force him to have unprotected sex.
You told him then you actually wanted another baby, FGS! No surprise now that you want to keep it.

His problem. Let him do whatever he wants. You have a clear conscience.

itsbetterthanabox · 13/09/2014 15:11

Because you have said it isn't men agreeing to the possibility of a baby if they choose to have piv sex. If it isn't men agreeing at that point then when is it? The only other option would be to let them control a woman's right to choose.

RhiWrites · 13/09/2014 15:12

A termination wouldn't solve the new issues in your relationship. If you have one against your own wishes you may be very bitter and resentful of him. The termination could spell the end of your relationship. This whole incident may cause you both to see each other differently. It's a tipping point for your whole relationship.

It's absolutely your choice what to do about the pregnancy but the relationship you must work on together.

hamptoncourt · 13/09/2014 15:12

I think I would take massive offence at his comment that you "have to persuade him.."

Er, no you don't. It's totally your decision and he must know this.

If you have decided that you do not want a termination then he either comes to terms with it or he doesn't. I wouldn't be tying myself up in knots trying to appease him.

It's a really difficult situation but you each have to accept that you cannot control how the other feels about this, but the final decision should always lie with the woman.