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*Amended* Please help me discuss this with DH without having a nasty row

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SilverStrand · 10/09/2014 12:43

apologies i had to amend a couple of details in this and repost as was worried about being identified.

This is going to sound like a real first world problem, but there is a lot going on in our relationship at the moment which is making me more anxious about this issue than i normally would be.??

Dh and i have had a bad summer with some awful rows. We have had counselling in the past, (Relate - didn't find it helpful, we ended up resolving our own issues at that stage). Dh has come round a lot in the last few weeks and we are thinking of going away for a night in October if my bro and sis in law can look after our kids.??I would say we are not out of the woods yet, but we are at least working on it.

??The problem is that i know my dh is about to broach something with me, about a Rugby weekend away to Rome next March with some business associates of his and their wives/partners.??He will want to go on this weekend and will expect me to agree to it.

The issue i have is that i went away with this same group of people last March. It was two nights in Paris for a six nations match. Dh and i live 3 hours from the airport they fly from and had to take an extra night to stay over at the airport hotel the night before, then coming home, our flight was delayed and we ended up driving the 3 hours home at around 11 at night, and his poor parent had to wait up for us as they were looking after the kids.??

The weekend itself was pretty much a 48hour drinking session albeit in a posh hotel and with corporate hospitality for the match. We hardly got any time to ourselves, as soon as breakfast was over there was about an hour of free time before we reconvened in the bar for more drinks before the match, or before flight home.

They were all drinking champagne in the executive lounge at 9am on the way over. I am in NO way judging these folk, they are all nice people, and i love a drink myself, but it was so non stop it was actually oppressive and too much of a good thing.??

Also all bar one of the other couples were/are very very wealthy and there was a lot of talk of yachts and holiday homes in Portugal that i couldn't really relate to.

??Finally they are all in their mid fifties or older with grown up children and its not a big deal for them to skip off for a weekend here and there, and they do, which is great for them, but we have younger kids, the youngest is 5 and oldest 12, and it is a huge effort to get away, so much preparation has to be done, so many favours called in, that i would far rather make that sort of effort for a weekend away either just with my dh, or with a couple that we are really friendly with as opposed to this group of people who are really nice and that, but i have very little in common with.??

If i try and explain all this to my dh, he will sigh, and tell me i always focus on the negative and never want to try anything new, and that the fall out from me not wanting to go or not going, will be such that he probably won't want to go away anywhere with my on my own anyway, as he will be so pissed off about us missing out on this trip. (he can't go on his own, though i wouldnt mind it he did as its really a couples trip.)

There is a big part of him that is hugely flattered to be asked to join these people as we are not in their league in terms of income, but they seem to enjoy our company so want us there. Dh will be afraid to been seen to snub the invitation and will worry that we won't be asked away again.

??But i think its stupid to spend all that money (£3000 not inc spending money) on something I'm not that keen to do. I don't want to spend a weekend like that, and i told dh that last year on our way home when he was speculating as to whether we would be asked again on the next trip, i would be prepared to go maybe every 2 or 3 years but not every year.??Is this unreasonable and how do i put my point across assertively and clearly without having a row?

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Legionofboom · 17/09/2014 11:05

The first and most important thing that you need to accept is that you simply cannot reason with him or solve this issue.

He will not modify his behaviour because he will not even entertain the thought that there is any problem with him that is not caused entirely by you.

Once you have accepted that, you can decide how you wish to proceed.

Let go of the idea that you owe it to him to find a way to make him understand what you are trying to say.

JetsAndSugar · 17/09/2014 11:07

Sounds like you don't like being married to him. You like the idea of being married to a nicer version of him.

Stop trying to change him.

Decide what you want from life. What will your life be like in 5 years time?

Rule 1: you cannot make plans for your future that involve him having magically changing into a nicer more caring person. Or you striving to change him into that person.

emotionsecho · 17/09/2014 11:11

Silver, having caught up with your posts - having trouble with the mobile site - agree and understand why my suggestion is not relevant in the circumstances. I wouldn't want to go anywhere with him either.

I am sorry you find yourself in such an awful situation, you have had some great advice from other posters and I wish you a better future.

JetsAndSugar · 17/09/2014 11:23

Have you considered getting a job? Even if you only break even financially?

IMO sometimes being a SAHM can warp your perspective because home life and your role as wife and mother becomes your whole life. Controversial I know. I'm not looking to start a bunfight. Just a suggestion to consider.

One day, in the not too distant future, the children will have their own lives away from you and you will be left with what is left. Do you like what that would be?

BookABooSue · 17/09/2014 11:23

'Boundaries' is a great book. It helps you to understand the lines between being responsible for yourself and responsible to other people. It could help you to detach because it sounds as though your DH is constantly eroding your boundaries by refusing to hear what you say and by trying to make you responsible for his happiness.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/09/2014 11:56

Jets OP posted on Saturday,
I also want to go back to work, as i feel that the balance of power in our relationship is now totally in favour of dh. i believe that if i had my own job, even part time, however humble the role may be, i would have something of my own, some of my own identity back, so that i am not just there at his beck and call, having to be grateful at the prospect of a weekend away, even one like this which i do not relish at all!

As soon as I read on Relationships someone saying their loved one is about to present them with a list of faults - NB their faults, not his - my heart sinks. It is no good trying to be rational with someone who is determined to hold a monologue and browbeat you into assuming total responsibility for the state of your marriage.

As he is so fond of pointing out how negative you are, you could tell him you don't rejoice in being married to someone who is so intent on having his ego stoked by colleagues and friends in the industry he rides roughshod over you, any time you don't agree with him. But I think you'd waste your breath.

I think your instinct is right, get out there and do something for yourself, get a job and develop new friendships, widen your horizons. It might shake his conviction that his word counts for all, yours for nothing. More importantly it will build you up.

SilverStrand · 17/09/2014 12:30

Legion thanks i am going to work towards that, i think it is going to take quite a while to get myself in to that mindset permanently but i know i have to do it.

Thank you Emotionsecho so kind.

JetsandSugar I wholeheartedly agree. I have loved being at home with the kids every day, but now i need to get out of the house and back into the world, my whole life has become wrapped up in my dh's schedule and work life. I don't mind running ragged for the kids, but i am not going to do that for him.

*Donkeys" wise words indeed. Thats precisely what i intend to do. It may take some time as i am out of the workforce for 8 years, but i am determined to find something, and hopefully will be able to post back here sometime to report something positive on that front.

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SilverStrand · 17/09/2014 12:30

Donkeys wise words indeed. Thats precisely what i intend to do. It may take some time as i am out of the workforce for 8 years, but i am determined to find something, and hopefully will be able to post back here sometime to report something positive on that front.

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Legionofboom · 17/09/2014 15:51

I have just caught up with the thread. There is some excellent advice here and hopefully the books give more insight. Do keep posting here if it helps.

I just wanted to say that you sound lovely Silver. Remember always that you deserve someone who treats you with respect, kindness and love. Don't settle for anything less Flowers

SilverStrand · 17/09/2014 15:58

Thank you Legion for your advice and kind words. This thread has really helped me feel better about everything and see a way forward. Smile

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