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Upcoming shuttle mediation meeting with Toad

134 replies

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 09:53

In one hour and I am getting a bit shaky. He is going to annihilate me!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/09/2014 11:55

"He is of course making the financial settlement depending on contact".

Some abusive and controlling men think they are so above the law here!. But they are not. What did your solicitor make of that from him?.

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 12:01

I said to the mediator that basically I am happy to go with whatever decisions the children are going to take regarding contact with their father. Grin

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Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 12:02

Thank you all.

The mediator is not involved in the court process.

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Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 12:24

I think that was my contribution to the process.

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JanaOfTheJungle · 03/09/2014 12:38

Hi Karen. Hope you are okay. ((((((hugs))))))

{handshake}

~tissues~

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:11

Oh hi Jana hugs and all that badly needed. Flowers

Oh what a fiasco.

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WhatWouldFreddieDo · 03/09/2014 13:25

How did it go?

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:30

I am supposed to tell the children that "Mummy and Daddy have met up in mediation to rebuild their relationship with their father". Ahem, no.

I explained I was there because Mr Toad wanted to reestablish his relationship with the children and I would take a neutral stance in the matter.

That is apparently not good enough.

And I am not to brief the children what to say to the mediator when he interviews them interrogates them. Why do people think that all I do is brief the children what to say? Do people not think that children can speak for themselves?

And I am not to call him Mr Toad, but by his first name. "Why don't you call him by his first name, he is good old a Toad, come on, you have lived together for fourteen years". I explained that I am not on first names with him, good old German custom (v old fashioned, but hey, we are stuck up old fashioned formal people in our family).

I said I was happy for someone to speak to the children once they are settled back at school, late in October, before half term.

This did not suit the mediator. he is desperate for cash

I insisted that I would not put undue pressure on the children and late October it is.

Could Toad give them presents before they are being interrogated?

I thought that was bribing them, but I was swiftly corrected: it is about presenting Toad in a positive way, is that not what I wanted?

This was not victim blaming, this was victim bullying.

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PlantsAndFlowers · 03/09/2014 13:32

How old are the children.

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:32

They are ten and fourteen.

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Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:34

Omg when I first started posting, they were eight and thirteen. DD is ten now and DS is nearly 15.

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Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:37

Oh and I was told not to be so dramatic.

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Twinklestein · 03/09/2014 13:41

I hope you're not going to see this particular mediator again?

That's not mediation it's simply pressuring.

MrBusterIPresume · 03/09/2014 13:42

So much for mediator as independent intermediary, then. Shock

Thumbwitch · 03/09/2014 13:44

Good luck Karen - and remember he's only a toad. If you take that literally enough, you could step on him and squish him with your boot - so metaphorically that's what you should do.

Remember too that he can't force you to do anything you really don't want to. Hopefully the mediator will see right through him. xx Brew

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:44

I thought I was being pressurised. I assumed it was about assessing how the children felt - at least this is what I was told and not about pressurising the children and I.

I did not like how the mediator spoke to me, but I am not sure what I can do about that.

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Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:45

I don't think the mediator saw through him. He was supportive of him.

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MrBusterIPresume · 03/09/2014 13:45

Who chose the mediator?

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:46

Toad did and he also pays him.

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Thumbwitch · 03/09/2014 13:46

Whoops, so sorry, only managed to read one page! What an idiot I am Blush

Mediators can be right arses. You obviously have one of those. I'm not sure if you have to actually do anything he says as he's clearly already picked sides and it's not yours or the children's!

Take it back to your solicitor and see what they say? And in the meantime fuck the rest of it off?

Twinklestein · 03/09/2014 13:48

The mediator sounds like a sexist tit with no training in domestic abuse. He's obviously fallen for your ex's spiel. I've heard of other mediators like this so it's of no surprise.

I understand why you tried it, but I feel your solicitor should have warned you off: it was very unlikely to achieve anything given your husband's nature, even if you had had a truly disinterested mediator.

WipsGlitter · 03/09/2014 13:48

Well that sounds a bit mad. Can you not choose one together?

Disclaimer: i have no idea how this works.

Karenthetoadslayer · 03/09/2014 13:50

Isn't it strange that the mediator wanted to suggest to me that Toad should give them presents before they are asked about him?

I have never met a mediator before.

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Twinklestein · 03/09/2014 13:50

It's bizarre.

Thumbwitch · 03/09/2014 13:51

I don't think you have to do anything the mediator suggests at all - but it's likely to be a preliminary to court if you can't agree. You must talk to your solicitor about the ramifications of this, and you must write down as much as you can remember immediately of what he actually said to you - including being told "not to be so dramatic" - cheeky fucker! Angry

I don't believe half these mediators are trained properly, from what I've heard. The number of friends who've seen one who clearly sides with the wanker abuser, because he's so charming and puts on such a good front, makes me want to vomit. They need more training in "spot the charming abusive wanker, dipshits!"

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