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In love with a married man :( - loads of romantic crap, but still it's my life...

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dear1darling · 23/08/2014 22:08

May I just start with a warning - you will need some time to read this, it is long but I just wanted to include as many details as possible, to show how things are. I really need support...:(

My story is so typical and so cliche that sometimes I cannot believe it is MY problem as I always perceived myself as a down to earth woman, resistant to soap opera type of romance... but here I am, in the middle of something that changed my life.

I am a 36 year old woman, separated 2 years ago after 10 years of marriage (drinking husband), one DD. I had 2 serious relationships in my life and always very strong morals – never even had the temptation to cheat, always very careful and very sensible with men. So far I have slept with 4 man, never had a one night stand. Never ever I would imagine im my life that I can fall for a married man...
4 years ago I met a guy, he was employed by my company. He is 39 now, really nice guy, I liked from the beginning but just as a friend. It wasn’t anything special or intense, just a work colleague who I’ve always liked talking to. He is married with two little kids. His little girls has some sort of disability but I do not know how serious it is, she looks quite normal and healthy.
Once, at the party when the company was celebrating the big success he kissed me. He wanted to have sex and asked if he could come to mine later in the week. I liked it but obviously refused, bearing in mind his family and my rules. We talked about it later and both agreed it was a mistake, he apologised and explained that he was just wasted and I said the same. We never discussed that since.

It happened about 2 years ago and for the next couple of months our contact was just friendly, we were just work colleagues, there were days at work when we didn’t even talk and everything seemed to be normal and healthy. But I started to notice that there is something in the air and started feeling some sort of bond with that man. I tried to look at it realistically and kept thinking that he is just unavailable but I couldn’t deny that I like him more and more and he seemed to behave as if he felt similar. Hundreds of longing looks, smiles, little chats, all the obvious signs of body language. Everything very discreet because I felt so guilty about the fact that I fancy a married man and didn’t want people at work to notice anything and gossip and so on. Finally we started texting but these text messages were just friendly and not regular, a couple of texts maybe 2-3 times a month. I started texting him because the only logical explanation of his behaviour for me was the idea that he is a middle aged man, bored in marriage who probably wants sex and he hasn’t got any serious feelings towards me. I thought that if that’s the case – then I will be able to look at him as yet another jerk/bored in marriage guy, maybe dislike him and I will finally be able to move on from that situation. It all started to affect my work in a way as I couldn’t stop thinking about him and this odd situation, so I just wanted some confrontation.

In the meantime I found out that his wife works a lot, that he spends lots of time on his own with the kids, that his wife doesn’t give him too much freedom and he does a lot to please her. All these bits were coming from mutual friends naturally, I wasn’t asking about him, he was never complaining. We have never met outside work.
One day, after work, he just left the letter of resignation at our manager’s desk. Everybody was shocked that he did it because he is very successful at work and much liked and respected. People kept gossiping what happened, how come he could have left such a good job. The official version was that he wants to slow down his career for a while and focus on family, they sold the house and decided to move away to a different county. From what I’ve heard his new job is less paid and less challenging, people at work kept talking that he is making a massive mistake. However, he has never discussed that with anyone and when I asked him about it he just smiled in a bizarre way and said that he is looking forward to starting a new chapter, but I felt like it was just a polite answer to let me know he just doesn’t want to discuss that.
I was very upset when I found out that he’s leaving. I realised I will miss him and I just couldn’t imagine the company without him and , myself not being able to see him and chat to him. I had to admit that I like so much about that man - his intelligence, the fact that he is so composed, so diplomatic, always knows what to say and how to behave, not mentioning his sense of humour. There is and always was that natural flow when we talk, and we just feel so comfortable together. Still, I felt so guilty about being this way as I do not have the right to feel anything to a man who is married and with kids. His appearance is not my usual ‘type’ but I feel so strongly attracted to him, I just love both his looks and his personality. Obviously I was fantasizing about sex with him and felt both great and horrible doing it.
His leaving party was one of the most horrible experiences in my life. We all went to the same place that we kissed 2 years ago and the history, in a way, did repeat but without anything physical this time. We just talked, he was upset and stressed. I found the courage to tell him how I feel about him. I told him I have feelings for him and I feel both wonderful and horrible about it, and mostly guilty. I told him that I never wanted just sex so I would like him just to be honest with me and tell me that he just likes me as a friend and maybe has the hots for me, so I could move on. He was shocked, just told me that I know he has a family and cannot do anything against them.

I gave him a hug and went back home and cried half of the night. And then he started texting... we both started writing about how we feel about each other, how we dreamed and fantasized about each other. I felt like a slapper but I agreed to meet with him next day... but we never met. He had second thoughts and so had I. We spoke on the phone and texted again and he said that he had imagined our life together, he was thinking how it would be if we could live together, have children and make love every day. I was shocked, I would have never thought that he can see it all and feel it all in the same way, and so much intense as I do. I always saw him as a composed and rather reserved person, so for me it was so unexpected in a way, as if he finally let himself open to me and tell what really is in his head and suddenly he just stopped texting as if he just realised he said too much and/or he just cannot/shouldn’t feel this way.
On the next day he sent me a long message saying that we cannot carry on, that if we do, it will end in pain and misery for too many people, that there are children involved. He said that he takes full responsibility and apologises for it all and hopes that I can forgive him. I asked him again if it was all just fun/lust for him and he confirmed that in different circumstances he would want to be in a relationship with me.
He promised to meet with me once again, just to talk, in public place but it never happened, either. He just stopped texting, calling. I texted him a couple of times, emailed him and phoned him twice. All within 3 weeks, so I do not feel like I am stalking him. No response. All I wanted was to say goodbye, didn’t want him to change his mind, didn’t want to drag him to bed, no matter how much I want him.
I do not know what to do with myself. It has been nearly two months and I just cannot cope with all these emptiness, I miss him so much, I’d just like to see him or talk to him. On the other hand I know I have no right to do it, that I shouldn’t be even a friend to him as I do not believe in true and clear friendship between man and woman, it always leads to something. Married men should have close female friends, especially if they have marriage problems...
I know that he has been in a way unfaithful to his wife already... he haven’t had sex but our contact, these text messages and confessions are in a way like an emotional cheating. And for me, as a woman, that would be even worse... I do feel guilty, I keep beating myself about it all but still my feelings towards him are stronger than this guilt. I can refrain from sleeping with him and I try my best not to contacts with him anymore. But I cannot stop feeling the way I feel about him.
I am more than aware that if he would ever want to do anything with me, he should sort out his life and problems first. I would never want to be the other woman and I’d never want his wife or family to suffer. If he told me that he still loves his wife and want to try to save their marriage – I’d understand and wouldn’t leave him alone. I know I cannot be even friends with him but I just want some kind of closure to be able to sort it all out in my head.

I do not know what to do with feeling towards him, with all the longing, all the sense of guilt. For some reason and against all the logic I feel like I might have lost somebody who could be my true love... I am so unhappy and such a mess now...

OP posts:
anonacfr · 24/08/2014 19:53

Yes but I think the OP mistyped.

The full sentence is I shouldn’t be even a friend to him as I do not believe in true and clear friendship between man and woman, it always leads to something. Married men should have close female friends, especially if they have marriage problems...

To me it suggests she means they shouldn't have female friends because they will be tempted to stray with said ’friends'.

VeryLittleGravitasIndeed · 24/08/2014 20:02

when will I finally have something that works out in my life

When you decide to make that happen. Life is something you create, not something that is done to you.

OP, I've been where you are before, wanting desperately to believe in a wildly inappropriate and infeasible relationship.

Closure for me came from waking up and realising no one else could be responsible for my happiness, I had to do it myself. I thought about how short life was and how much I want from it. And got on with things.

There must be joy in your life outside this non-relationship, everyone has some. Spend more time there for a while. This will pass.

Pinkfrocks · 24/08/2014 20:03

Possibly!

There is also another presumed typo here

– I’d understand and wouldn’t leave him alone. [ if he told me he loved his wife and wanted to stay with her...]

dear1darling · 24/08/2014 20:10

Right.
Obviously it was meant to be shouldn't, not should. I do not believe in clear female/male friendship.
Sorry for my typos and other mistakes, I am not in the UK at the moment and writing in instalments in some unknown editor with some sort of autocorrect on a friend's laptop. And obviously haven't mastered it yet.

With regards to his wife and family suffering and putting myself in wife's shoes. Do you think I haven't thought about that? It scares me to death to think how horrible she might have felt if she find out about it all... My ex had an affair shortly after we got married, it was nothing important in the long run and it helped him to understand that he wanted to be with me then but I still remember how lonely and disappointed and stupid I felt. I have never met his wife personally, if I have, I would probably end it all sooner...
One more thing... you might think its stupid or cheesy but when I have really bad moments of missing him I think of his kids, that at least I didn't do anything final to take their father away from them, as I still know how my daughter is sometimes upset she is not living with her dad (although he is rather involved with her life). And it reminds me that its just better this way.

OP posts:
Pinkfrocks · 24/08/2014 20:25

You have to accept that it may well take along time for you to get over this. 2 months is nothing.
I've known it take 2 years or more, for friends who have had these types of unfulfilled emotional affairs.
Give it time and do all the classic stuff for getting over a relationship- get busy, keep busy, yes remind yourself of the pain to his children had it continued, and now and again give yourself a slap for being daft enough to get involved with a MM anyway

Guiltypleasures001 · 24/08/2014 20:38

I had a daughter op she looked like your " normal " looking child except she had a terminal seriously life limiting rare illness .

You are living in a fantasy of your own making, all of this smacks of if I ask him enough times he will admit to feelings I AM SURE HE MUST HAVE. Your not taking no for an answer, your digging and digging hoping the answer will be different but it's not.

He does not want you, he balked at the idea, he made a mistake.
Your making his wife out to be the bad guy, you have nothing more than hear say about their relationship, but choose to believe the scenario that fits your agenda of him being in an unhappy relationship to make yourself feel better about stalking him, which you have been.

You should start looking inwards op to see what's missing from you to allow this fantasy to continue, for this way lies madness.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 24/08/2014 20:41

"when I have really bad moments of missing him I think of his kids, that at least I didn't do anything final to take their father away from them"

All the evidence you have presented in this thread suggests that this has never even been a vague possibility.

I think you're in the grip of some kind of unhealthy delusion.

He doesn't want you. He never really has, except for a casual shag. That's why he's not responding to your blandishments and probably never shall. Do you need hm to take out an ad in the paper or what?

AcrossthePond55 · 25/08/2014 01:07

"I have never met his wife personally, if I have, I would probably end it all sooner…"

I certainly hope that is a typo and you meant to type 'have ended', as in ended the pointless flirtation. Because there is NOTHING going on as far as I can see. Nothing to end because it really never began.

rainbowfeet · 25/08/2014 09:49

I'm sorry op but I really think you are deluding yourself & have built this 'thing' up into something it never was.. You were never in a position to take him away from his children because he didn't want to be taken.. He briefly thought he wanted to shag you, to take what you offered him on a plate... That was a thought that crossed his mind... If he could maybe get away with it & not feel too guilty he never had any intention of forming a relationship with you...
... Believe me I do understand how you feel, I'm single & had a few dates with a guy (also single) & convinced myself he was perfect... He didn't feel the same & it took me about 6 months to pick myself up & restore my pride.. I felt foolish & used but now I can see him for what he is... Defiantly not someone who would make a good partner or influence on my dc's... The hurt will fade... Leave him to get on with his life.

springydaffs · 25/08/2014 14:01

Well, to be fair, delusion is the nature of emotional affairs (and, if we're being pedantic/cynical ALL relatiinships at the start..); though a cold dose of common sense is essenrial in these situs imo.

I wonder if all posters have experienced anything like this, hence an eliment of derision in some replies. I suppose one 'has' to experience it sometimes to ensure one never does anything like it again; to spot the run-up and to stop it in its tracks, knowing where its headed. Or am I just talking about myself.

Mine didn't flower into anything but the emotional attachment was intense. It was a grossly inappropriate situation and you feel such a fool , it isn't even a proper breakup in a way. It took me a long time to get over it - a good 2 years all in? I heard from him about 5 years later and felt largely blank - the whole thing had so put me through the mill I wasn't interested in resurrecting it even faintly. But it was a 'closure' of sorts - well after I was over it.

springydaffs · 25/08/2014 14:24

NB - derision understandable as he is married (and my excruciatingly painful thing was with someone single, me too, but deeply inappropriate)

dear1darling · 25/08/2014 16:08

springydaffs thank you for your post.

This is exactly how I feel. There is derision in so many replies but I sort of understand it. If it wasn't my story, I would probably see it quite similar.
But still I wouldn't dare to write some of the words I've read here, simply because I DO NOT KNOW the people involved personally... many details can be lost and/or misinterpreted in translation and also enhanced by our own experience, both good and bad.

We know ourselves only to the extent we have been tested for.

Really, there is no need to ridicule my feelings and the situation because at the end of I feel the way I feel, the problem here is how to move on.
And all these: he wanted only to fuck you, he thinks this, he thinks that, he loves his wife, you were nobody to him... please. You do not know him, you cannot know what was going on in his head. Yes, it could have been this way but it might have been that he actually had/has feelings for me yet he isn't a cunt and is trying to behave as a mature and responsible adult.

I am not stupid, I understand he moved away and moved on, I KNOW that he did choose his wife and family... but for God's sake, please do not diminish his input into the whole situation. He was to start it all, he was seeking contact with me as much as I did, he stopped when it became too intense but I do not think its because there were no feelings involved, rather because he was not available and I was. Maybe he wasn't ready. Or maybe he just came to conclusion he has too much to lose. I had nothing to lose and he had, he has commitments, so maybe it was safe for him to like me until there was no necessity to make any changes affecting his family that he obviously cares about. Yes, it does mean he chooses them, yes, it means that I am not important enough for him... but it doesn't necessarily mean I was not important at all, that I was a potential shag only. If he wanted just a shag, he would have had it long time ago.

And please, do not interpret what I am writing here as me being in some sort of denial, chasing the rainbow, trying to blow things out of proportion. I am just trying to be objective...as much as I can in my own case.

I have known this man for a while longer and I do not see any reason of why he'd lie about his feelings towards me. To make me feel better? As a nice lie that I could easily swallow and do not feel bad/humiliated? He knows me well enough to know that I'd hate that sort of crap and wouldn't believe it. He didn't say he loved me, he didn't promise me anything, he did feel responsible for the situation, he did apologise and it all makes him believable to me.

I have discussed the situation with a couple of friends, RL people who know me and some of them know him as well. Nobody thinks it was just delusion, people do see the whole situation and the emotions involved as more complex, and again, I have no reason to think they are just being polite. So please, be harsh if you need, but if you have nothing else to add to the thread, apart from trying to convince me I am a freak who made something up from nothing - then you might as well save your words of wisdom for some other occasion.
Once again - thanks to all the people who at least try to understand all the shades of the story.

OP posts:
MilliCariad · 25/08/2014 16:51

Read the threads of women whose husbands have left them for OW. It is harrowing at times and their distress is palpable. Their husband's ability to lie to both them and the OW comes easy. The bottom line is he is with his Wife. Your feelings are understandable and normal but you are looking for answers and there will probably never ever be any.

sonjadog · 25/08/2014 17:00

Whether or not he had feelings for you in the past is irrelevant. The fact is that he is not interested in you here and now. That is the only thing you need to think about and that is where your focus should be.

From what you write here it sounds like you are living in the past. The past is gone forever. You need to grieve for what was and move on. You move on from this like from any other heartbreak. Keeping busy, be firm about keeping your thoughts elsewhere, go out and meet new people.

Sylvana · 25/08/2014 17:40

You keep saying "if he wanted just a shag he would have had it a long time ago". But you didn't want "just a shag" - you wanted more. He didn't. That's the reason he walked away OP.

rainbowfeet · 25/08/2014 19:03

How to move on... Cut all contact
Delete all his contact details & change your own.
Keep your mind occupied.
Treat yourself, nice hair, nails & clothes will make you feel better about yourself & worthy of someone better.
Get out & about.

Look at this man for what he was.. A cheat & a cruel player.. Wether or not his marriage was unhappy he should have walked away before the kiss & not lead you on. He probably enjoyed the ego stroke.

Have you ever thought what might have happened if he left his wife... He could have turned your life upside down & then gone back to her.. Or he could have gone on to cheat on you.. It might not have been a Mills & Boon ending at all & in fact you may have well come off lightly & him walking away actually saved you worse heartbreak.

I do understand how you feel ... It's not nice to feel like you love someone so much & he could still be in your grasp.. It will take strength but you know it's the right thing to do, you have to protect yourself from more hurt.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/08/2014 19:35

Believe what you wish about him. But if you want to get over him, you need to stop building him into some 'noble character' who chose his wife despite his 'feelings' for you.

As I've mentioned before, a 'real man' does not say or do things that are disloyal to his wife in the first place. He does not lead on, seduce, kiss, respond to, text romantic things to, or otherwise involve himself with another woman, no matter what the state of his marriage is. Maybe he had feelings, maybe he just wanted a shag, maybe he unwittingly stepped over a line, realized it, and ran for the hills.

Does it matter? Yes, because you keep thinking about him and about 'what if'. Instead of trying to harden your heart against him, you're spending all your time romanticizing him and defending him on this anonymous forum. You should be angry at him. Angry because he deceived you, angry because he hurt you, even if he didn't mean to. He's not an innocent. He is an adult and as an adult he is responsible for his behaviour. There is no excuse for his disloyalty to is wife nor for his trifling with you.

springydaffs · 25/08/2014 19:47

I couldn't bear to get rid of everything, it's not necessarily the way to do it. It's not very popular to be in pain for a long time but my experience was that it had to die off in its own time ie gradually. I deleted his number from my phone but kept it in a safe place.. Until I chucked the whole lot out for good, but that was after some years.

AnyFucker · 25/08/2014 19:49

I just keep thinking why is this happening to me..

Because you made it happen, silly woman.

springydaffs · 25/08/2014 19:56

Ah, missed your post pond - I absolutely agree. My conclusion after my drawn out recovery was that he was a shit. Took me a while to get there - I did a lot of growing up and coming-to-terms-with-self (eg I had a starved and broken heart, which he honed in on) - but I got there in the end. I do feel I, my vulnerability, was exploited and I can't help thinking you were too, dear1. The kiss was precisely when you were raw from the breakup of your marriage, eg.

That's not to say we/you weren't both culpable as adults, of course.

IrianofWay · 25/08/2014 20:45

You want to know why? Why he did it.

My neice's DH was diagnosed with stomach cancer. Inoperable. He is being given chemo to keep him alive a little longer to spend more time with his baby son and his wife. But he's dying. It's going to be months. He is 31. He is fit. He doesn't smoke, he drinks very moderately, he eat a good diet. The obvious question is why? But it's the wrong one.It's a pointless one. The right question is, if these are the breaks, what CAN be done? What is the best thing I can do with the hand I am dealt.

What can you DO to make things better for you. Forget about him. Forget about his marriage. Forget about what you think he wanted, what you think he meant. What will make YOU better? What will improve your life right now?

talent · 22/05/2015 23:33

I wonder what happened. I don't thinks its not as cut and dry as most think here. It happens especially after many years of marriage. Its a hard position to be in and I hope it got easier for you in the end? I was married for 25 years but we were all but done and I met a married man.. we were both married. I told my now ex husband ten days after meeting him. We let each other go kindly and are both very happy with our new partners. This was all several years ago now. Staying in an unhappy marriage... not good for anyone.

DragonsCanHop · 22/05/2015 23:56

It's a zombie thread

shirleybasseyslovechild · 23/05/2015 00:25

I wonder too. Zombie or not

AmelieinOz · 23/05/2015 02:41

He's married.

Leave him alone.

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