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Is this invitation innocent?

118 replies

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 20:04

Name change for this one.

Just want to get other people's opinions on this because I can be pretty dumb and blind when it comes to this sort of thing.

I know someone through work who I've only met properly once, but I've had to collaborate with him/ask advice by emails a lot. He friended me on Facebook a few months ago too and since then we've been more informal with each other (by 'informal' I don't AT ALL mean 'flirty' - I basically mean that we no longer say things to each other like 'thanks for your time' and 'kind regards' :D). He is very nice, friendly, and a family man - his FB page is covered with family photos, and he seems happily married.

A few months ago he said to me on FB (roughly), 'We should catch up for a drink some time'. I replied with (roughly), 'Yes, would love to'. This wasn't a private message or anything - the exchange took place in a long thread about something else, so loads of other people would have seen it. So, totally public etc.

Nothing was said for a while and then he emailed me about something work-related, in which he also said something like, 'Let me know an evening when you're free in the next couple of months so we can go for drinks/dinner'. I replied with something like, 'Any evening is fine except for days x and y'.

Weeks went by and nothing was mentioned, then in another work-related email, he suggested a couple of evenings and asked if I'd be free on either. I picked one. He replied with 'Great, I'll book a room to stay overnight' (he lives quite far from where he works).

Is this all perfectly reasonable and innocent? Am I signalling something to him by going along? I fear I'm overthinking all this, and it would seem ridiculously prudish not to go on the off-chance that he might be expecting something 'untoward'. It's just that over the course of this communication, he's progressed from suggesting a casual drink, to an evening meet-up involving dinner, then saying he's going to stay over (which is totally sensible given he lives far away, but then why mention it?). He also started putting the odd kiss in his emails, which again could be totally innocent, but ... ? And, in an effort to work all this out, I tried to imagine what he would tell his wife about this night out: 'I'm going to have dinner with a woman from work who I've only met once, and I'll be staying away overnight'. Which is a bit ... well, if I were his wife I'd raise an eyebrow.

But then, on the other hand, if he does have any funny business in mind, he has gone about arranging it in an unbelievably brazen manner (i.e. publicly suggesting it on FB then pursuing it in emails about other topics). And that makes me think that it's more plausible to think that it's innocent than that a seemingly devoted family man would be so brazen ...

Knee-jerk reactions please, people. Am I being a stupid fretting idiot? Or do I need to turn up with a chaperone? (That last bit is only half-joking ... there are colleagues I could ask along without it seeming too weird!)

OP posts:
LOLeater · 24/07/2014 20:06

What on earth would his DP think?

It's not really your responsibility OP but if I were that guy's wife I would assume the worst.

Maybe best to take other colleagues?

Lovingfreedom · 24/07/2014 20:09

No...his intentions are dishonourable

Noneedtoworryatall · 24/07/2014 20:09

We'll if he was your partner or dh how would you feel if he said he was meeting a woman for drinks and a hotel stay what would you say?

There's your answer.

Why on earth would he need to book a hotel. He could skip drinks and just have dinner or he could offer lunch instead.

You know what he's after.

Noneedtoworryatall · 24/07/2014 20:10

And it is your responsibility a little bit.

justiceofthePeas · 24/07/2014 20:10

Or you could say 'great. Is your dw coming? I would love to meet her'

Quitelikely · 24/07/2014 20:11

Sounds slightly suspicious to me. If my dh needed to discuss something work related I know for a fact he would get in his car, drive the distance and then be back before home time. He certainly wouldn't stay overnight, he would maybe have lunch or go to the persons office.

justiceofthePeas · 24/07/2014 20:12

unless he might think you are sugfesting a threesome Grin

Quitelikely · 24/07/2014 20:12

How many miles are yous apart?

hamptoncourt · 24/07/2014 20:12

See how he reacts if you suggest bringing along (male) colleagues X and Y because they would love to meet him too......

Hassled · 24/07/2014 20:12

Yeah - sorry, but I doubt his intentions too.

And even if he is just a nice happily married man who wants to make a new friend, the fact you're tying yourself up in knots about it (quite understandably) makes me think it's probably easier if you can find a reason to cancel. Or suggest you bring Fred and June from work and see how he reacts?

StandsOnGoldenSands · 24/07/2014 20:13

I work in a very male dominated industry. I never do solo drinks or dinner with men for this reason. Keep it to coffee or lunch.

I'd have a last minute disaster which meant you had to postpone and then offer a daytime alternative tbh.

oohdaddypig · 24/07/2014 20:14

I'm possibly a cynic but this guy sounds like he wants waaaaaay more than a drink!

StandsOnGoldenSands · 24/07/2014 20:15

And no, someone you know primarily through work putting kisses in emails and booking a hotel to stay over is not within the boundaries of professional friendship.

defineme · 24/07/2014 20:17

Take colleagues- this sounds dodgy.

HumblePieMonster · 24/07/2014 20:20

Its not innocent, you'll be signalling you're up for it, his wife wouldn't like it (you've seen how they squeal on here when anyone says the OW is not to blame) and you'll appear unprofessional. If you go do as suggested above, take others with you and keep it absolutely above board.

ExcuseTypos · 24/07/2014 20:21

Of he'd left ot at a drink and a catch up, that would be fine I think. But as you say it's now dinner and a room booked. Not ok.

SweetsForMySweet · 24/07/2014 20:21

Meeting up alone (just the two of you) sounds suss to me and a bad idea. If in doubt either forget it or bring along some others and make it a gathering rather than just the two of you. If he is booking a room to stay over and it's dinner and drinks (it sounds more like a date imo), it's sending out mixed signals.

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 20:22

Wow, thanks for all the replies, and I'm happy to see from all your reactions that I'm not being a ridiculous Victorian type getting her knickers in a twist about a colleague suggesting a possibly innocent friendly drink :D

I don't want to cancel as he hasn't done anything to offend me, has been really nice and helpful with work stuff, and we could still all be being too cynical here ... from comments that other people have made about him, he is renowned for being a friendly and cheerful sort of person. (Although oddly he sort of blanked me one time when we were both in a meeting together a few months after the one and only time we met - I said hello, he said hello but then went and sat with some other people and didn't say another word to me .. I was a bit offended because the room was still filling up and he could easily have spared 30 seconds to exchange a few pleasantries.)

Re the lunch possibility ... I don't want to go into detail about his line of work but this could be difficult because he is tied to his workplace during the day and it is a few miles from where I work, so lunch could be a hassle.

We have yet to arrange a meeting place so this is probably a good opportunity to mention that I'll be driving and therefore won't be a drunken mess by the end of the evening ...

Asking colleagues is the way to go.

OP posts:
Lovingfreedom · 24/07/2014 20:24

Possibly a quick drink after work but say you have to be home for Eastenders if I were you

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 24/07/2014 20:34

No.
He is using a technique of "a little bit". You accepted this little bit, then a little bit more, then a little bit more. He is playing a long game with you as if time will mask the agenda of inappropriate behavior. The little signed kisses are pointing to his intentions.

You do work with him, so any contact should be restricted to professional reasons only. It is ok to be chums with colleagues of course, and socializing after a work event is fine...But this goes beyond that. Travel and an overnight stay, not for a work event, but just for a catch up drink? Ok, dinner too? And now a room, too? Keeps building.

He is married. No.
You work with him. No, do not become office gossip.
You need to cancel altogether. Even if he comes to town for dinner with you and stays and nothing happens...people will gossip. Your professional reputation will then be in the toilet.

If you decide to go, before you go, read the "midlife crisis script" found on this board. He is playing you.

Liara · 24/07/2014 20:42

Oh, wow.

Maybe I'm super naive, but I wouldn't see a problem.

Throughout my working career I have gone out for dinner countless times with colleagues, mostly without dh there (we both travelled a lot for business, so often weren't in the same country, let alone city). The arrangements often looked similar to this, we must go out for a drink, sure we should, let's make it dinner, fine, we'd go out for drinks/dinner, and that's it.

Maybe they were all after something and I spectacularly failed to notice it, but I doubt it.

WildBillfemale · 24/07/2014 20:49

I travel a lot with work and drink/eat out with male colleagues all the time. However it's only because we are miles from home/abroad and dining alone is boring.

This however is a whole different ball game, he's making a huge effort to go out of his way and line up a dinner with you which isn't really a follow on from any work function. He's also booking a room.
Wise up he's looking for a shag.

LayMeDown · 24/07/2014 20:50

It may be innocent but this is the easy to suss it out or at least make your position clear. Reply saying 'Goodness no need to go to the expense of a hotel to meet me, let's just do a drink or two then we can both head off early enough so you can get home. Maybe we can do a bigger night another time with our partners'.
See what his reaction is to that. He'll probably say he's fine to stay on he'd prefer it. But you've made your position clear. Then bring along colleagues.

unadulterateddad · 24/07/2014 20:53

I'm with Liara, this is the sort of thing that in the industry I work in is pretty normal. I'd be concerned if the emails were done in a private way, but public email trails doesn't sound like subterfuge to me. I'd be horrified if I was the bloke at the other end of this conversation and I had any inclination that the person I'd suggested dinner to thought it might be a precursor to anything. I'd probably think pretty poorly of them going forward.

When I meet someone in town for drinks/dinner, regardless of them being male or female, I would want to book a room because of the logistics of getting home. Plus I won't drink and drink at all.

LayMeDown · 24/07/2014 20:54

So if he says that staying over is his preference just say 'Great well if it's going to be a big night I'll invite x and y as long as well'