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Is this invitation innocent?

118 replies

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 20:04

Name change for this one.

Just want to get other people's opinions on this because I can be pretty dumb and blind when it comes to this sort of thing.

I know someone through work who I've only met properly once, but I've had to collaborate with him/ask advice by emails a lot. He friended me on Facebook a few months ago too and since then we've been more informal with each other (by 'informal' I don't AT ALL mean 'flirty' - I basically mean that we no longer say things to each other like 'thanks for your time' and 'kind regards' :D). He is very nice, friendly, and a family man - his FB page is covered with family photos, and he seems happily married.

A few months ago he said to me on FB (roughly), 'We should catch up for a drink some time'. I replied with (roughly), 'Yes, would love to'. This wasn't a private message or anything - the exchange took place in a long thread about something else, so loads of other people would have seen it. So, totally public etc.

Nothing was said for a while and then he emailed me about something work-related, in which he also said something like, 'Let me know an evening when you're free in the next couple of months so we can go for drinks/dinner'. I replied with something like, 'Any evening is fine except for days x and y'.

Weeks went by and nothing was mentioned, then in another work-related email, he suggested a couple of evenings and asked if I'd be free on either. I picked one. He replied with 'Great, I'll book a room to stay overnight' (he lives quite far from where he works).

Is this all perfectly reasonable and innocent? Am I signalling something to him by going along? I fear I'm overthinking all this, and it would seem ridiculously prudish not to go on the off-chance that he might be expecting something 'untoward'. It's just that over the course of this communication, he's progressed from suggesting a casual drink, to an evening meet-up involving dinner, then saying he's going to stay over (which is totally sensible given he lives far away, but then why mention it?). He also started putting the odd kiss in his emails, which again could be totally innocent, but ... ? And, in an effort to work all this out, I tried to imagine what he would tell his wife about this night out: 'I'm going to have dinner with a woman from work who I've only met once, and I'll be staying away overnight'. Which is a bit ... well, if I were his wife I'd raise an eyebrow.

But then, on the other hand, if he does have any funny business in mind, he has gone about arranging it in an unbelievably brazen manner (i.e. publicly suggesting it on FB then pursuing it in emails about other topics). And that makes me think that it's more plausible to think that it's innocent than that a seemingly devoted family man would be so brazen ...

Knee-jerk reactions please, people. Am I being a stupid fretting idiot? Or do I need to turn up with a chaperone? (That last bit is only half-joking ... there are colleagues I could ask along without it seeming too weird!)

OP posts:
HayDayQueen · 25/07/2014 10:52

Its probably innocent, but on the off chance its not why not take a taxi instead, and book it for a certain time so that the dinner HAS to end at that time?

Or park your car in a car park that closes at a certain time so you have an end time for the evening.

Bruins · 25/07/2014 11:48

What does it matter if it's innocent or not. Make your excuses and move on, problem solved.

Don't start canvassing colleagues opinions, you will look as though you are enjoying the attention a bit more than you should. (which quite frankly you are)

AnyFucker · 25/07/2014 12:19

Op, you sound like you are using far too much brain space on this now

You will look like a fool asking around colleagues if they think he is on the level

Act like a grown up and make your own decision. You are demonstrating a distinct lack of the ability to do that in your posts so far

Some predatory men can smell that a mile off

angeltulips · 25/07/2014 14:09

Very weird. It might all be innocent but spending actual money on a hotel room to have dinner with someone you'd only met once? Extremely odd.

I would be inviting someone else or making it clear you had to be j

angeltulips · 25/07/2014 14:09

Home by a certain time (invoke babysitter if you need).

badbaldingballerina123 · 25/07/2014 15:16

Op why all the navel gazing ? you acknowledge in your original post that it's inappropriate. You openly said that if you were his wife you would be a bit,,,and you would raise an eyebrow. In a reply to funkyboldribena You also said that you would feel dumb and awkward if his wife asked you why you were meeting her husband . I cannot stand all this oh I'm a bit naive act that some women do in these scenarios. You know full well it's inappropriate and as funkyboldribena said you have no credible reason for meeting up.

You've met him once , you've developed a friendship on Facebook , and now your openly setting up a date , apparently with your husbands approval. Whether anything happens or not you are cleArly open to it , or else you wouldn't put yourself in this position. This is affair territory all day long. Instead of being flattered by this nonsense I would ponder WHY he is suggesting meeting up , hotel rooms ect. You do realize Op , that other married women would've been offended by this suggestion ? I'd have told him to fuck off.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 25/07/2014 15:36

I kind of want her to go and to confirm he invited her up for a 'night cap'

Is this wrong of me?

pooooooooface · 25/07/2014 15:46

Bloody hell. This has turned a bit nasty. Thanks to everyone who offered advice, think I'm ok from here.

OP posts:
LostintheSouthEast · 25/07/2014 16:23

I've been following this thread with interest as I have found myself in slightly similar situations in the past and I have been intrigued to see if there has been an underlying intention to seemingly innocent suggestions of meals out, slightly flirtatious FB messaging etc.

The only way to find out is to accept the invitation and see what happens.

It may well be entirely innocent in which case you could have enjoyable social evening and make a good friend.

He might proposition you in which case you could

A. Unfriend him for being a downright cheat
B. Laugh loudly and show him this Mumsnet thread
C. Put your hand on his knee and say you thought he'd never ask (jokey answer for those who lack a sense of humour)

When it's happened to me (I can think of at least four times with different people, all married) I've enjoyed a great meal out and continued with good friendships. It'd be a shame to miss out.

MysteryMan1 · 25/07/2014 16:31

Indeed, I agree. Comes back to whether men and women can be friends. He may not look at you in a sexual way at all...

AnyFucker · 25/07/2014 17:10

Nasty ? Hardly.

FunkyBoldRibena · 25/07/2014 17:26

Just want to get other people's opinions on this because I can be pretty dumb and blind when it comes to this sort of thing...When I thought about this after a night's sleep, my gut reaction was that it's innocent.

Erm, ok then. Whatever you say, eh Wink

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 25/07/2014 18:36

Your gut feelings are a bit inexperienced here, imho.

You do understand that this dance of seduction will not include a direct question of will you have sex with him?

Will you let him persuade you to have one more drink?
Will you let him hold your hand?

Have you ever felt, about yourself, that you have trouble saying "no" to people?

Take your dh with you. Please.

WildBillfemale · 25/07/2014 19:26

I think it is strange all round TBH. It doesn't sound like a business thing at all. It sounds like a man who is fishing to see what he might get out of someone he thinks might put out for him. Not trying to be rude but that is honestly how it looks to me

This puts it perfectly - the other thing OP - a genuine networking dinner does not involve so much second guessing/analyzing - it is what it is, clear unambiguous and professional.

BOFster · 25/07/2014 19:35

I would email him back before he books anything and just say "No need to stay over- you weren't planning to get trashed were you? I've invited x and y too, but I don't think it will be a late one."

My guess is he'll mysteriously remember a prior engagement.

newnamesamegame · 25/07/2014 19:47

I don't think having dinner with a colleague of the opposite sex would be suss... Happens a lot in my industry. I do think booking a hotel when you are planning a casual after work drink with someone who is only a colleague in the loosest sense of the word and whom you have met once is very suss...

To be quite honest though I slightly wonder why you are giving this so much thought. I am not having a go but it seems weird. If you don't want to meet this man, you think it's inappropriate and you are married just make your excuses. It's not as if this is someone you can't afford to insult for political purposes, this is some random guy trying it on.

I don't see why this is such a difficult thing to figure out...

badbaldingballerina123 · 25/07/2014 21:27

I'm not keen on the idea of this guy being a chancer and the Op being too naive to realize what's going on. I doubt the husband has been told the full story about this proposed catch up.

Meerka · 25/07/2014 22:47

don't worry about some people's overcynicism.

Therea are a lot of men who try it on. There's also some who genuinely like the other person and who don't get the twitch in the pants but actually like you for you. Ignore the people who can't believe that.

having said that, booking a hotel room is a lot of trouble to go to. Send the message you're not up for it, by saying you've booked the taxi or are going to drive home, and see what he says.

keep yer head straight, and enjoy the evening .... if the suspicious MNérs havent put you off ;p

JohnFarleysRuskin · 26/07/2014 14:27

Meerka, How is your comment different from anyone elses? People are suspicious because he is booking a hotel room and as you rightly say, it IS a lot of trouble to go to. That's not over-cynical at all.

OP, hope you feel comfortable with the situation.

Meerka · 26/07/2014 16:44

I just don't like the tone from some posters that "of course he's trying it on and you know it and are encouraging it". Nasty.

kaykayblue · 26/07/2014 16:53

Hey op - I don't know your industry but for me this would be pretty normal and I wouldn't bat and eyelid about it. But that's in my industry so not sure about yours.

If you are still even slightly worried, why not post a message on his Facebook wall saying something like;

'Hey Bob, are we still join for a drink on Tuesday? Sally and Jo might be joining us if they can get out of their meeting early enough. I hope you managed to get your hotel booked OK - see you soon!"

That way you are being totally transparent about it all.plus if he has lied to his wife about it then...well it's not your problem! You have nothing to hide so no reasoning why you wouldn't say something about it there!

This way it doesn't seem pike you're worrying, but it gives a clear message that this is all above board for you.

I would get your colleagues to come along too - if nothing else it sounds like he communicates better on email than in person so it might be way less awkward!

500smiles · 26/07/2014 18:38

I've worked in an industry previously where this wouldn't seem out of the ordinary at all.

The fact that it is occupying so much head space suggests that you know it is crossing a line.

I really wouldn't speak to colleagues about it - it smacks of "mention-itis" to me.

Sabellassweatyforehead · 26/07/2014 20:33

I would comment on one of his wife/family pictures on FB that she's also tagged in saying "what a beautiful family. Would love to meet them at some point? See you Tuesday."

ChangelingToday · 26/07/2014 20:42

He must have money to burn booking a hotel just for drinks with a colleague? (No offence intended to you!) but why go to that expense..hmm it doesn't seem right if you've only met once. Is there anything to gain professionally by meeting up? Sometimes dh goes on overnight trips and has dinner meetings with the guys in the other branches. Laymedown's suggestion is great.

OnesEnough · 26/07/2014 22:45

Listen to your instincts, afterall you have posted on here for a reason.

I don't believe for one minute you will though, and I predict you will get your fingers burnt.