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Is this invitation innocent?

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pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 20:04

Name change for this one.

Just want to get other people's opinions on this because I can be pretty dumb and blind when it comes to this sort of thing.

I know someone through work who I've only met properly once, but I've had to collaborate with him/ask advice by emails a lot. He friended me on Facebook a few months ago too and since then we've been more informal with each other (by 'informal' I don't AT ALL mean 'flirty' - I basically mean that we no longer say things to each other like 'thanks for your time' and 'kind regards' :D). He is very nice, friendly, and a family man - his FB page is covered with family photos, and he seems happily married.

A few months ago he said to me on FB (roughly), 'We should catch up for a drink some time'. I replied with (roughly), 'Yes, would love to'. This wasn't a private message or anything - the exchange took place in a long thread about something else, so loads of other people would have seen it. So, totally public etc.

Nothing was said for a while and then he emailed me about something work-related, in which he also said something like, 'Let me know an evening when you're free in the next couple of months so we can go for drinks/dinner'. I replied with something like, 'Any evening is fine except for days x and y'.

Weeks went by and nothing was mentioned, then in another work-related email, he suggested a couple of evenings and asked if I'd be free on either. I picked one. He replied with 'Great, I'll book a room to stay overnight' (he lives quite far from where he works).

Is this all perfectly reasonable and innocent? Am I signalling something to him by going along? I fear I'm overthinking all this, and it would seem ridiculously prudish not to go on the off-chance that he might be expecting something 'untoward'. It's just that over the course of this communication, he's progressed from suggesting a casual drink, to an evening meet-up involving dinner, then saying he's going to stay over (which is totally sensible given he lives far away, but then why mention it?). He also started putting the odd kiss in his emails, which again could be totally innocent, but ... ? And, in an effort to work all this out, I tried to imagine what he would tell his wife about this night out: 'I'm going to have dinner with a woman from work who I've only met once, and I'll be staying away overnight'. Which is a bit ... well, if I were his wife I'd raise an eyebrow.

But then, on the other hand, if he does have any funny business in mind, he has gone about arranging it in an unbelievably brazen manner (i.e. publicly suggesting it on FB then pursuing it in emails about other topics). And that makes me think that it's more plausible to think that it's innocent than that a seemingly devoted family man would be so brazen ...

Knee-jerk reactions please, people. Am I being a stupid fretting idiot? Or do I need to turn up with a chaperone? (That last bit is only half-joking ... there are colleagues I could ask along without it seeming too weird!)

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WildBillfemale · 24/07/2014 20:55

oh yes forgot to add, kisses aren't professional at the end of an e-mail!

LayMeDown · 24/07/2014 20:58

unadulterated I think any man in this sort if set up should have the awareness that informing a woman that he has just arranged to meet for dinner that he is booking a hotel room may come across as a little sleazy even if that was not his intention. There may well be practical reasons why he has done it but there was in reason for him to tell the OP.

mummy1973 · 24/07/2014 21:00

What wildbill said.
I would cancel.

lilywhite32 · 24/07/2014 21:02

I would definitely be suss about this. Him mentioning that he is booking a room is a bit odd, how far away from the restaurant does he live? The kisses at the end if the emails are completely inappropriate too.

StandsOnGoldenSands · 24/07/2014 21:02

Men who don't get this aren't worth networking with btw.

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 21:11

Thanks for the continued responses. Liara and unadulterateddad you are giving me food for thought ... in the industry I work in, this isn't that unusual either and I'm pretty certain I wouldn't be office gossip. The public email trail and the thought that I might be doing this guy a disservice by being overly cynical are what lie behind my original doubts about this.

Re kisses at the end of emails ... I don't do this personally, but some people think nothing of it. I keep thinking of a friend of my DH's who I don't know that well and who always puts kisses in his emails on the rare occasions when he emails me. I'm pretty sure that's innocent because he also does it to my DH, and to their (male) mutual friends too. And, as I say, this work colleague of mind is known for being very warm and friendly.

Now I'm worried about offending him by inviting colleagues in case that seems too obviously as if I'm bringing chaperones (which I would be). Oh, I need to sleep on this. A bit more info (sorry to drip feed but I didn't realise at the start that this would be relevant): the night out is not under the pretense of discussing work. I'm due to relocate to a new work place in a couple of months, and this guy suggested meeting up 'before I go'. I did explain to him a couple of times that although I'll be working elsewhere, I won't actually be moving from the area and that therefore there is no rush to do something before I go. Anyway ... the point of my mentioning this is that whilst it wouldn't be weird for me to invite colleagues along, it would miss the point of the catching up before I leave bit. Now that people have suggested that this guy might be totally innocent and might think badly of me for thinking otherwise, I'm worried about asking the colleagues in case the message is too obvious ... [wrings hands]

I haven't replied to his 'I've booked a room' email yet. I need to find a way to mention colleagues coming that doesn't sound too Victorian. And I like LayMeDown's idea of saying there's no need to book a hotel room. Since my timetable is pretty flexible I could just say that I'm happy to meet earlier to give him time to get home at a reasonable time if that would help ...

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wannaBe · 24/07/2014 21:16

I think some people just don't get the protocol of kisses tbh. Some people put them on their emails/texts/fb status updates you name it, and others don't. I wouldn't necessarily read anything into that.

Equally I wouldn't necessarily think that dinner/drinks meant he was after something esp as he has been so open about it.

But if the atmosphere feels wrong then it feels wrong even if it is innocent iyswim and you are within your rights not to go along with it.

Last week I was working at an event where networking afterwards was sort of part of the unofficial deal.. I got chatting to someone who I previously only knew via social media. he asked me when I was going home and I told him to which he replied "oh, that's a shame because I have that day and the next day off." He may have meant it innocently but the way in which he said it just made me think he was a bit slimy so I didn't give it any attention and moved on to talking to someone else after that.

Sometimes people have issues with social protocol and they just don't get how their conduct makes them look to others.

Darquesse · 24/07/2014 21:23

Ohh that's a tough one but I wouldn't like it if it were my DP. Maybe suggest he brings his wife and you bring your partner, see how hw reacts to that?

ShakeYourTailFeathers · 24/07/2014 21:28

I'd be deeply suspicious of his motives OP.

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 21:29

Agree that people use kisses in odd and often inane ways wannaBe. And the thing about the 'atmosphere' .. well, that's the annoying thing about having these discussions by email/FB, it's so difficult to gauge the atmosphere. Would all have been so much easier if this had been suggested face to face. But then, as I said in one of my replies above, he did sort of blank me the last time I saw him face to face :S

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pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 21:33

Saw that a couple of people asked how far away he lives from where we're meant to be meeting ... it's about 50 miles.

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unadulterateddad · 24/07/2014 21:33

The other thing to do is pick up the phone and chat through the details - you'll get more certainty of his thought process doing that.

If he's not someone you'd easily ring for a chat, then he's probably not a person to have dinner with.

FunkyBoldRibena · 24/07/2014 21:36

so if his wife called you up and said 'why are you meeting my husband for a drink and why is he staying the night' would you be able to actually give a credible answer?

Truthfully, it sounds like he is manipulating you into bed. I am failing to see the actual reason for the work based meet up.

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 21:46

Some really good points here - thanks. Am going to sleep on this before replying to him, to work out the best thing to say.

FunkyBoldRibena, I'd feel dumb and awkward if that happened, but then I think I'd feel the same way if someone's wife called me up to ask why I was meeting her husband for lunch/coffee, or why I'd sat next to him on the bus too Grin

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edamsavestheday · 24/07/2014 21:49

He's doing a 100 mile round trip solely to meet you? Hmm Yeah, right, there's nothing dodgy about this at all..

I socialise with colleagues and contacts all the time, never crosses my mind there could be anything more. Which is why I've been surprised a few times when the guy has made a move... Honestly if you were in the same town or at the same conference, that'd be one thing, but travelling 100 miles and booking a room to meet one to one does look as if he has plans. He could drive 50 miles home after, if he wanted to...

LuluJakey1 · 24/07/2014 21:53

You keep hedging your bets here. Are you at all interested in this. man? It just sounds a bit like you want to go along and see what happens.

I think it is strange all round TBH. It doesn't sound like a business thing at all. It sounds like a man who is fishing to see what he might get out of someone he thinks might put out for him. Not trying to be rude but that is honestly how it looks to me.

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 21:53

He's doing a 100 mile round trip solely to meet you?

No, he works a couple of miles from me and will (I assume!) be in the area anyway. So, the overnight stay would be because he doesn't want to drink and drive, or because he would otherwise arrive home very late. I don't find this part of it remotely odd - it was the fact that he mentioned that he'd be staying overnight that set alarm bells ringing.

For a time, I lived 40 miles from my place of work too, and it would never have crossed my mind to stay over after a late do. But then I don't drink, I was in those days a bit neurotic about being away from the children, and staying away would have meant depriving DH and the kids of the car, so I can't judge everyone by that standard ...

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LuluJakey1 · 24/07/2014 21:55

If my DH was doing this I would flatten him. And if I was doing it he'd do the same. It is not appropriate.

APotNoodleandaTommy · 24/07/2014 21:59

I work in a male dominated industry. I've been out for dinner and drinks with male colleagues. They've travelled hundreds of miles to see me for a cheeky night out. No sex has been had, no passes have been made.
Because we are mates.
After several years, a couple have even met my husband!!!!
Gasp.
OP I think that your intentions are totally innocent. The only Hmm I have is that he puts kisses on his emails. I'd ensure I never put any on if I were you and see if he stops. If there's been no hint at all of any flirtation, I'd be ok.
However, the fact that you're posting here at all makes me think that you're slightly uncomfortable...

JohnFarleysRuskin · 24/07/2014 22:02

Not innocent!

AnyFucker · 24/07/2014 22:11

You do realise you can say no if a male suggests something that gives you pause for thought, don't you

You are acting like this is all somehow inevitable

it isn't (but it might end up that way if you go along with everything he might have in mind in the manner you already have)

pooooooooface · 24/07/2014 22:19

LuluJakey1 if the bets in question involve making a judgment about whether this guy's intentions are honourable, then yes I am hedging my bets - I don't know what the answer is and I'm trying to remain balanced. Especially as opinion on this thread is quite divided!

AnyFucker, yes of course, but I'm afraid of giving off certain signals. As I've said above, I am sometimes quite blind to the sorts of subtexts that can go along with these sorts of exchanges. Not sure how I've 'gone along with everything he might have in mind' so far .. I've just agreed to an evening out! But I completely take your point that I can say no to any funny stuff.

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LittleLadyFooFoo · 24/07/2014 22:22

Have you mentioned this to your own DH? What does he think?

AnyFucker · 24/07/2014 22:22

You could have said no in the first place is my point.

AnyFucker · 24/07/2014 22:25

You don't owe this guy anything. You are not "friends" of longstanding. Do you actually need more friends that live 50 miles away and require an overnight stay to see each other ? I just don't get why you have gone along with any of it, tbh.

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