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AIBU to find my DH really pathetic?

108 replies

Ubiquitousslug · 02/07/2014 05:36

I am 20 weeks pregnant and something is happening with my husband where the more pregnant I become, the more attention he demands from me and everyone else. I have had two bouts of bronchitis since getting pregnant and suffered with pelvic girdle pain. Unable to take meds I was ill for about two months solid. Throughout my illness he refused to do things that would help me, like opening windows so I could cool off when I was overheating and I had a fever (he would insist they were closed because of his allergies,) not allowing me the food I wanted or felt like because he deemed it to be junk or inappropriate for a pregnant woman. I barely had the energy to get it/make it myself, so just had to go along with what he chose for me and my preferences were not taken into account. The whole time it was like he was testing me to see if I would put him or myself/baby first.

I've had the other prrgnancy gamut of symptoms : some constipation, sickness, UTI infection etc. In our day to day life if I have to mention that I am experiencing any of these (to explain why it's uncomfortable to have sex for eg) his response will be "I have it too, but much much worse." Really, if he has it too, and worse than me, then how is he doing all the things I am finding it hard to do?

Last week I got attacked on the street. It was bad enough to have to call the police immediately and has had several follow ups. I was very upset and friends I told were concerned and have followed up with me in the last week to check I am okay. When I called DH as soon as it happened, he first of all blamed me for "going out alone" while pregnant and then had a short-lived rant about how he would beat the men up, which had faded by the time I got home, shaken, because he was watching the Workd Cup. And he hasn't mentioned it since or asked how I am feeling. He simply complains constantly about business deals of his which do not go through and expects long conversations about his feelings over these and various other things that happen.

The world ended for him yesterday (sarcasm) because he contracted a cold. Since then there have been dramatic displays of taking to his bed and demanding pills, meals, hot drinks, inhalations. Onviously I am chief nurse. i have had to cancel meetings for him, and he keeps me up all night with these dramatic dashes to the toilet because - heaven forbid - his nose is "dripping." Why he can't just get a tissue and wipe it in bed is beyond me, all the lights in the house have to be switched on and he has to run to the bathroom, opening and slamming doors like we are having an emergency and has to run his nose under a tap for five minutes.

He is very proud of my bump and draws attention to it constantly in public. He obviously enjoys the attention he receives from having a pregnant wife. In the privacy of the house he is very affectionate too, but I am really uncomfortable with his constant pointing at and fondling of my bump in front of strangers who very obviously feel obligated to say "congratulations."

He was NEVER like this before I was pregnant. We both took care of each other selflessly when we were ill, he used to talk to me as much as I needed about difficult things that would happen, and he was my best friend as well as my husband. But right now I can't even look at him without finding him completely pathetic. I am not in love with him at the moment and I admit that I am cold and distant to him when he tries to talk to me about how he is feeling.

I just don't know if this kind of dynamic change is common in a relationship during pregnancy? Obviously I am hormonal and that is affecting my feelings (I heard some women irrationally hate their husband the entire 9 months.) basically it is like he has become a child. He has said a few times that he will be replaced when the baby gets here (and he does it in a baby voice - again completely new to me - we are not the kind of couple who talks in baby language to each other.) he needs to just step up to the mark and be an adult.

Any thoughts would be appreciated and also to tell me if I sound like an impatient, bitter old cow too.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 02/07/2014 14:03

Smile good plan

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 02/07/2014 14:10

Agree with mini - write down some choice extracts of what you have said. I think if you say too much! he'll glaze over.

Also agree with what has been said re your parents. To be fair, his behaviour is so odd that maybe they can't quite take it in yet

How do his parents act towards each other? Where has he learned this behaviour from?

tribpot · 02/07/2014 14:16

Have you ever had a major life event with him before, OP? A death or a very stressful period of time in which you were not functioning at peak efficiency?

What is his parents' relationship like, does his mum defer to his dad/put her needs second?

Hissy · 02/07/2014 14:59

Does anyone think writing down a few issues with the way he treats her is going to make ANY kind of impact on a man who couldn't give a flying fuck about his wife having been attacked? FOR FUCKS SAKE?

Love, get the papers together and BOOT him from here to the far side of fuck.

he will get worse. he IS abusive.

Sorry love. you have to protect yourself and your child from now on.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 02/07/2014 15:04

I do. He seems to have had some bizarre type of personality transplant. I don't really see how wasting one hour - that's all it would be - speaking to him one final time will cause a serious issue.

Plus the OP can then tell hero are to etc that she explained perfectly clearly in words if one syllable why she was leaving. Because he's likely to bleat on about not knowing what he has done etc.

Finally, it's a useful aide memoire in case of any divorce proceedings

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 02/07/2014 15:04

her parents

Hissy · 02/07/2014 15:10

i agree she should tell him why she's leaving, and do so.

but giving him a list of things he needs to change won't work. not ever. not with this kind of bloke.

ONLY leaving him will make him take her seriously, but by then (and indeed by *now) it's already too late. She thinks he's pathetic, she will never lose that. it will only grow and fester.

minipie · 02/07/2014 15:17

I think you're being a bit unrealistic Hissy. The OP is pretty unlikely to leave her (up until now normal) DH, when she is 5 months pregnant, because of a few months of whingey and selfish behaviour.

Given that, the focus should surely be on doing whatever she can to try and make him snap out of it. Your view is he won't. Fine. But no harm done by trying. And as Gobbolino says it's useful for other purposes in any case. Convincing her parents for example.

Hissy · 02/07/2014 15:49

All I know is that YEARS of asking someone to be nice didn't work, no matter WHAT I said, and he wasn't half as nasty during PG as this man.

Mine got CRAP when I'd had the baby, and REALLY shit with we moved to his country and i literally was trapped with him.

The scores are on the doors. She thinks he's pathetic now, that will only increase as he tries to compete with a newborn.

It's not just the competition though, it's the nastiness that is going with it. he is REFUSING to help her and is MAKING THINGS WORSE WHEN HE CAN.

I can see how 'giving it a try' may look on paper as though it should be worth doing, but I've seen a gazillion situations less sinister than these and none of them are any different.

Fwiw - am involved in an abuse charity, have done the FP and counselling and gone on to have a successful relationship, I'm not just projecting my own case onto this. Abusers follow a script. There are more red flags here than a Red Square Parade.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 02/07/2014 15:54

I don't see it as asking him to be nice. I see it as highlighting his unacceptable behaviour and pointing out the consequences. This is not a negotiation. There will be follow through.

Lweji · 02/07/2014 15:56

Yes, it's probably unrealistic to expect people to leave a relationship because of 5 months of abusive behaviour. It doesn't mean they shouldn't leave or shouldn't be advised to and given the reasons for that.

I don't think it's good service to women to give them hope about these relationships. It's hope that keep them in bad or abusive relationships for years and years.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 02/07/2014 16:22

Sorry OP, but the attack should have jolted him back to reality and brought out a big concern for your well being. The fact that it didn't do that speaks volumes.

And this... He has said a few times that he will be replaced when the baby gets here (and he does it in a baby voice - again completely new to me ... this is creepy and downright scary in a "My precious" kind of way.

What are you going to do when you go into labour at home and he is not interested in helping? Have you considered exactly how vulnerable you really are right now??

captainmummy · 02/07/2014 16:23

So Op - what would happen if you really got 'hormonal' and screamed 'open the fucking window or I'll put a BRICK through it' or 'Get me a pot Noodle NOW! ' ?? That's what i would do Blush

But I agree with the others - if this man couldn't be arsed to care for you when you were attacked, he is not going to care about you in pregnancy, labour or motherhood.

What do you think he wouldhave done if you'd been attacked prior to your pregnancy? Do you really think he'd have stepped up (even with the footie on?)

captainmummy · 02/07/2014 16:25

Oh Alice- that's true. OP what if you go into labour at home? Would he come down with a severe case of the squits which is far far worse than your pain?

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 02/07/2014 16:31

I'm just concerned you'll go into labour and he'll be standing there saying "that's not labour, I refuse to take you to hospital...." like he is refusing the windows, the food, and anything else he wants. If he is that unbelievably insecure (although my vote is that he is abusive), what's to say he won't go into complete denial about the baby coming and just refuse to recognise that you need to go to hospital and keep you at the house?

IfNotNowThenWhen · 02/07/2014 16:49

Well, if that happened, presumably she could call a taxi? I dont think the husband sounds scary, just a knob. His behaviour reminds me of ds's dad, and he is a knob.
I got a taxi to the hospital when I was in labour. The taxi driver was lovely :)

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 02/07/2014 16:49

the point is that she shouldn't have to be dealing with that......

Lweji · 02/07/2014 16:50

IfNot, are you with him?

squizita · 02/07/2014 17:11

Obviously I am hormonal and that is affecting my feelings (I heard some women irrationally hate their husband the entire 9 months.) basically it is like he has become a child. He has said a few times that he will be replaced when the baby gets here (and he does it in a baby voice - again completely new to me - we are not the kind of couple who talks in baby language to each other

Just Shock. The reaction to you being attacked, the weird cold behaviour, the open window veto... Shock

He just sounds incapable of adjusting to the responsibility and like he has totally regressed into childhood. I know you say you took care of each other, when just the 2 of you... but this change indicates serious stuff.
"In sickness and in health" doesn't include "provided it's minor 50/50 stuff" - it means genuine altruism!
And certainly, there are massive issues as he seems to see an unborn baby as a rival.

Counselling? Time away from him?

squizita · 02/07/2014 17:38

"what would happen if you really got 'hormonal' and screamed 'open the fucking window or I'll put a BRICK through it' or 'Get me a pot Noodle NOW! ' ?? That's what i would do"

Would? That is what I have been known to do and my DH is just a bit dopey/thoughtless at times not actively refusing! Blush My DH was a total spoilt 'lived at home till 28' brat when I moved in with him, but he realised that wasn't going to work as I was not his mum, and rapidly got the hang of "dividing up the labour" as he calls it (labour as in housework not baby pushing) - he is really, really trying extra hard now I'm upduffed! It's just on occasions when I have to use my outdoor voice because the Xbox has stolen his brain and I can't lift something.

That's the normal way round.

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 02/07/2014 18:44

"Then he gets upset and asks why I insist on bringing up things he doesn't want to talk about (birth, blood, whatever.)"

He gets that this is going to happen whether it's talked about or not, yes?

Stay safe, OP.

Hissy · 02/07/2014 19:14

The only way a man like this will change is when he is made to see that being like this will lose him his status as a married man, his status as a dad, his status as a parents child. When even his friends make it clear to a man like this that he's seriously uncool to be so selfish and mean, only then will it occur to him to, perhaps, review his behaviour.

As I said, I know it seems like being defeatist by walking now, but there really isn't any point in holding out hope he'll change.

He's been told by an outsider and he just doesn't care enough to do anything about it.

As a man/father/anything he really is a write off.

captainmummy · 02/07/2014 19:28

Good question, Lweji !!

IfNotNowThenWhen · 02/07/2014 20:37

@ lweji- do you mean ds's dad? Hell no! The very thought!

eddielizzard · 02/07/2014 20:48

do not show him the thread.

go and stay with your parents for a few days and tell them everything. get some space from him and some perspective. not getting enough sleep means you're not in a good place to make big, life-impacting decisions.

get away, get some sleep, get some space.