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serious thoughts of asking OH to leave - have 2dc

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welshrarebitontheside · 01/07/2014 16:29

Been with partner for ten years, he is ten years older than me (I am 36 vs his 46), have 2 dc (3.5 and 6 months). We are not married but own a home although this is in my name.

In brief, we have been unhappy for a few years because:

  • Our lives are complicated as we both have consuming careers, he runs several businesses and also has dc (teenage girls) to first wife.
  • Many of our arguments revolve around how time is spent and prioritising as well as broadly different goals and interests.
  • When we met for instance, both enjoyed similar music, concerts, etc but whilst I have moved on in my tastes he remains the same and is essentially a big kid who still enjoys clubbing scene. Included in this bracket for him is the occasional drug use. I can't stand any of that.
  • I have guilt regarding the 2 dc to me, even although we agreed this.
  • Lots of issues re age gap and developmental goals in general
  • He has not yet divorced his ex , who for a long time continued to intrude inappropriately
  • He is an attractive man but has let himself go over the years. I am beginning to wonder if I fancy him any more. Our sex life has taken a hit with the 2dc but also the arguments.
  • no interest from his part in home/garden type stuff, does zero ont eh domestic front although is fantastic with the kids.
  • a lot of time feel am flying solo as a single parent
  • issues with anger, he tends to bottle things up and then explodes. THis morning in the cAr we inexplicably started at me because I interrupted a conversation to ask him to remind me where I was going (2 hours sleep last night). There have been
  • he was diagnosed some years ago with mild aspergrs, which manifests with obsessinnal behaviours, rigidity, pig headedness and poor empathizing (?sp) skills. On many occasions he has made inappropr jokes or humiliated me in public after a few drinks. This can also manifest in plain irrationalness

I am bored, lonely, crave adult company. As he is a workaholic am spending many long hours alone.

I am telling you only one side but would also add that he is an excellent dad to all four children, can be loving, can scrub up bloody well when he wants to and can really try - he has huge demands in his life and I knew that when I took him on. He has given me huge support wrt dealing with my highly dysfunctional family (which prob explains my problems in dealing with relationships)

I feel resentful re the divorce (lack thereof) and used to want to get married, now when I go to weddings with him I fear him embarrassing me and also feel like I am jealously watching young in love couples with spouses of a similar age who actually deemed them worthy of a proposal. There is little romance from his direction. I have no interest in marrying him now, we are clearly far too unstable. WE have had counselling input which helped a little, but OH is a hard man to reason with (even the counsellor could see the rigidity)

I am attractive, reasonably bright, have many friends (therefore am not a social misfit!) and earn 40k part time, live in a part of the country which is relatively inexpensive, would be able to go it alone I think as the house we own is in my name and I have the 30k savings needed to pay him off. We have 1850 pcm outgoings incl childcare , My income is 2320 pcm but would ask him for 600 so would almost have 1k pcm after bills. We are also due to get a new mortgage (hopefully lower). I am prob being fairly optimistic here

Sorry for long post and thanks for listening to me churn out all this rubbish but - do you think this is doable? Am I doing the right thing? What is life like a single mother? Would anyone in their right mind want to date me? WTF will people think of us having just had a baby and then messing up so spectacularly? Will the kids be OK?

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Mummy1106 · 01/07/2014 20:35

It sounds like you have had enough.
It is reassuring to know that he is a good father and brilliant with children. This means that even if you leave him, you would feel comfortable leaving children with him.
You already worked out your finances which means that you have had a good long thought about it and you've made up your mind. I think you require someone to confirm what you already know in your heart.

welshrarebitontheside · 01/07/2014 22:07

thanks for your reply. I probably sound reconciled to it and emotionally detached although I am neither of these. I spent the day in tears and not fully engaged with my poor kids, this often happens following yet another argument, I have had depression on and off since getting pg last summer. Imagining a life free from such times and how good this would feel. But setting my thoughts down on paper helps. I am not willing to have my kids witness the bipolar relationship I did with my own parents. Through that look where it has got me, I actually don't think I am capable of having a normal functioning relationship. I think there is now so much resentment that it is beyond healing and we are stuck in a cycle of it. I think my kids will enjoy more stability when we are apart but happier.

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welshrarebitontheside · 20/09/2014 21:48

Still here, still stuck in this relationship. Someone please help or advise. Last night he went out till 6am despite promises otherwise. He is doing this every other weekend and imo is opting out of family life. I'm sick to death of the ensuing fallout of these nights. Lying in beside him in tears right now. Over the summer i have become increasingly depressed and defeated. I am pretty sure there is a better life out there. Can someone pls advise, feel so down, lonely, desperate.

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MrsTeee · 20/09/2014 21:54

I've sent you a PM, OP. I know how you feel. Thanks

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 20/09/2014 21:56

Darling, you don't need advice. You're not stuck it's just that you need to make a decision and tell your OH what it is. If you're not happy in this relationship and feel it's not heading where you want to be, then just get it over with and end it. He might not be happy about it but that's too bad.

Glenshee · 20/09/2014 21:57

Have you thought of individual counselling, just for you, to help you get the strength to leave and discuss the best way forward? Splitting up is incredibly difficult to do completely on your own, you'd feel a lot stronger with support of friends/family, or counselling, or both.

welshrarebitontheside · 20/09/2014 21:58

Thank you mrs teee. I rarely use mn so just need to figure out my settings. Appreciate it x

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Milllie · 20/09/2014 22:04

Why won't he get divorced from his wife? We're you involved in them splitting up, is that why she is still around ?

welshrarebitontheside · 20/09/2014 22:12

Individual counselling sounds a great idea- we had couples counselling which helped communication and gave a brief reprieve when i was pregnant .

Millie I was the ow technically although their marriage had already hit the skids. He has not "got around" to a divorce despute the pain it has caused me. Though in his defence its been financially complex, she has stalled and with all his committments he is extreeeeemely busy (work80 hr weeks a lot).

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welshrarebitontheside · 20/09/2014 22:13

Yes I know what you think its a fucking car crash of a situation.

Wonder if will ever meet anyone again.

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welshrarebitontheside · 20/09/2014 22:19

Just realise in the light of what i told you that my username might sound as if i am glamorising or trivialising the situation of being an ow. No way, i just nc to this on the spur of the moment.

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Adarajames · 20/09/2014 22:32

Sounds like you're pretty much single mum a lot already, but with added stress of another big kid to look after, so sure you'd do fine alone. As others suggested, try some personal counselling, and do you have good friend you could talk it through in RL? would help a lot more than having it go round and round in your head alone. People who matter won't judge you for splitting up even with young child, those that judge aren't worth worrying about! You deserve to feel cherished and valued and certainly be worth a divorce for, that's so unkind to leave you hanging in that regards. Strength to you

welshrarebitontheside · 20/09/2014 22:38

Thank you. Its hard to confide in friends as they probably think i am crying wolf as one minute we are 'fine' the next we are not.

I am getting a lot of strength from you lot.

Tonight for the ?10 th time I suggested he could continue this lifestyle in a flat somewhere away from our kids. This eruoted into another argument.

Weekends are very lonely. Reminders of others' weddings or happiness make me feel so bitter and low. I'm sure its not right. I don't need replies - just need to rant and cry to some strangers. I love my kids but sincerely regret meeting him sonetimes and my own naivety that he would grow up.

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BloodyUserName · 20/09/2014 22:48
Thanks
Stuckinastorm · 20/09/2014 23:02

Although much of what you said (eg savings) doesn't match with me, other things do...
9 1/2 weeks ago I found out my. 'Dh' was having an affair. Took our youngest on dates, tried for baby etc etc.... Anyway this isn't my thread,
But what I would say is...
If you're a stronger person than me and it's what you want and are ready for then walk away...
If you're not sure then pin him to a chair talk to him and tell him you want couples counselling then go from there?

I've learnt time together comes above earning more money
&
If the other person won't communicate however many years you spend trying & asking him to as well (funny how mine managed to never reply to my messages or calls in years but in just a few months he used the phone I paid the bill for to message and phone her at least 10tines a day everyday!!), then something needs to be done (eg counselling) otherwise it won't work however much you want it to.

It's a lonely place to be, I know.

My debate is do I take him back?
Yours is do I leave.

These decisions can be so much harder than people outside the relationship could ever imagine.

welshrarebitontheside · 20/09/2014 23:09

Stuck - yes - so much harder to make these decisions than it sounds.

So sorry to hear about your situation. Awful. Share away please if you need and if it is helpful. Has he stopped seeing her? Taking kids on dates and ttc is beyond comprehension - but again easy for me to comment. Hope you have good rl support

From my own pov your post is v helpful. Think our couples counselling days are done. I am going to sleep and try and get stronger in the next few days. Make a plan.

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PamDooveOrangeJoof · 20/09/2014 23:12

You are so young. You have years and years of happy living ahead of you if you cut this arsehole loose so he stops dragging you down.

So, so, many people go on to meet other partners but you won't while you still are in a failing relationship with him.

Being on your own is far less lovely than being lonely in a relationship... Lying in bed wondering if and when they are coming home - and what state they will be in when they get there.

You deserve so much better than this and you know it. That's why you posted.

You sound like you have your head screwed on.
Give yourself permission to leave him. You don't need his permission!

Stuckinastorm · 20/09/2014 23:22

Yes, even said that to my. 'Dh ' yesterday. (He doesn't live here now but still see him regularly. & he looks after the kids)-

I would rather be lonely alone than lonely and ignored and confused as someone's sat next to me.

Don't rush into a decision, I've been thinking for about 7 weeks now, (he's not seeing her now but she's on a 6 week holiday abroad, be interesting to see what happens when she gets back in 2 weeks ) still a mess and wishing someone had the answer or could wave a magic wand! It's dragging on in my head!

You said you're burying counselling- how would you feel about trying it ?
Or... Maybe that's your answer that it is the end of the road?

Hope you get a good nights sleep,
I used to be asleep hours ago, but tonight is one of those where my mind is in overdrive :( x

Adarajames · 20/09/2014 23:23

No, feeling bitter and low isn't right, you shouldn't have to go through day to day feeling like that, (assuming you're not actually depressed and needing treatment? Although often leaving the bad situation stops the depression!) asking yourself the question is the first hard step to deciding what you want and need to do, so congratulate yourself on that first step, and listen to yourself to find the next answer. Rest well and hope you don't feel too lonely tonight / tomorrow, you can always find someone on here to chat at whatever hour Smile

Stuckinastorm · 20/09/2014 23:23

P.s age gap here too- I'm 28, he's. 46, the ow is 21!!!!!!!

Stuckinastorm · 20/09/2014 23:24

Here here adara

welshrarebitontheside · 21/09/2014 10:26

Thank you everyone. Its a beautiful sunny day and i am just getting up as he gave me a lie in. Feeling better, less angry. Just to clarify when he is out late it is also business related as he owns a sound equipment and engineering business however just checking in with clients quickly becomes a night of drink and e's. I don't have any concerns he is having an affair either. He wants me to go clubbing with him and will not accept that i hate nightclubs, drugs, late nights esp as I have two small children to look after. I need to be with someone whose interests are remotely similar to mine too. My big passions reading cooking interior design he has zero interest in.

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SolidGoldBrass · 21/09/2014 10:55

I think you have simply outgrown him. You have changed your tastes and priorities since you met, he hasn't. However, please lose the idea that your changing taste has made you morally superior to him and try to consider the fact that he may feel sad and disappointed that the 'fun' woman he first dated has turned into this domesticated, nagging, mother figure. It sounds as though you would be happier apart. YOu can do it. Good luck.

Milllie · 21/09/2014 16:29

You were the OW so that means you were partly responsible for breaking up his marriage. His wife maybe holding up divorce proceedings cause she was hurt by what you both did. Maybe he doesn't insist on divorce because he feels guilty. You said he has withdrawn from the relationship somewhat so how do you know he isn't having an affair again now?

Milllie · 21/09/2014 16:33

What Solid says maybe the case. Maybe you have turned into his wife and not the woman he originally left her for. If you want to make a go of this relationship you probably need to find a middle ground as does he. If you don't want to be with him anymore cause you have changed then maybe he also doesn't want to be with you. Talk to him.

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