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serious thoughts of asking OH to leave - have 2dc

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welshrarebitontheside · 01/07/2014 16:29

Been with partner for ten years, he is ten years older than me (I am 36 vs his 46), have 2 dc (3.5 and 6 months). We are not married but own a home although this is in my name.

In brief, we have been unhappy for a few years because:

  • Our lives are complicated as we both have consuming careers, he runs several businesses and also has dc (teenage girls) to first wife.
  • Many of our arguments revolve around how time is spent and prioritising as well as broadly different goals and interests.
  • When we met for instance, both enjoyed similar music, concerts, etc but whilst I have moved on in my tastes he remains the same and is essentially a big kid who still enjoys clubbing scene. Included in this bracket for him is the occasional drug use. I can't stand any of that.
  • I have guilt regarding the 2 dc to me, even although we agreed this.
  • Lots of issues re age gap and developmental goals in general
  • He has not yet divorced his ex , who for a long time continued to intrude inappropriately
  • He is an attractive man but has let himself go over the years. I am beginning to wonder if I fancy him any more. Our sex life has taken a hit with the 2dc but also the arguments.
  • no interest from his part in home/garden type stuff, does zero ont eh domestic front although is fantastic with the kids.
  • a lot of time feel am flying solo as a single parent
  • issues with anger, he tends to bottle things up and then explodes. THis morning in the cAr we inexplicably started at me because I interrupted a conversation to ask him to remind me where I was going (2 hours sleep last night). There have been
  • he was diagnosed some years ago with mild aspergrs, which manifests with obsessinnal behaviours, rigidity, pig headedness and poor empathizing (?sp) skills. On many occasions he has made inappropr jokes or humiliated me in public after a few drinks. This can also manifest in plain irrationalness

I am bored, lonely, crave adult company. As he is a workaholic am spending many long hours alone.

I am telling you only one side but would also add that he is an excellent dad to all four children, can be loving, can scrub up bloody well when he wants to and can really try - he has huge demands in his life and I knew that when I took him on. He has given me huge support wrt dealing with my highly dysfunctional family (which prob explains my problems in dealing with relationships)

I feel resentful re the divorce (lack thereof) and used to want to get married, now when I go to weddings with him I fear him embarrassing me and also feel like I am jealously watching young in love couples with spouses of a similar age who actually deemed them worthy of a proposal. There is little romance from his direction. I have no interest in marrying him now, we are clearly far too unstable. WE have had counselling input which helped a little, but OH is a hard man to reason with (even the counsellor could see the rigidity)

I am attractive, reasonably bright, have many friends (therefore am not a social misfit!) and earn 40k part time, live in a part of the country which is relatively inexpensive, would be able to go it alone I think as the house we own is in my name and I have the 30k savings needed to pay him off. We have 1850 pcm outgoings incl childcare , My income is 2320 pcm but would ask him for 600 so would almost have 1k pcm after bills. We are also due to get a new mortgage (hopefully lower). I am prob being fairly optimistic here

Sorry for long post and thanks for listening to me churn out all this rubbish but - do you think this is doable? Am I doing the right thing? What is life like a single mother? Would anyone in their right mind want to date me? WTF will people think of us having just had a baby and then messing up so spectacularly? Will the kids be OK?

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Rebecca2014 · 21/09/2014 16:49

You only recently had children though you been together for ten years so for those years you were both living the fun life together! but now you have children, you are in the same situation as his ex wife. the mundane same old life that he got bored of with his last wife.

He is nearly 50 yet he still wants to go clubbing and take drugs! Why can't he grow up and accept he is way past it and needs to spend time with the second family he created? I really hope you do sort it out but he sounds like an very overgrown child.

SolidGoldBrass · 21/09/2014 17:59

I'm nearly 50 and still like to have a few pints and go clubbing. There isn't anything wrong with wanting to go out at night when you are older - turning into a slack-jawed mundane sitting on the sofa tutting at the TV every night is not compulsory.

welshrarebitontheside · 21/09/2014 19:00

Just to clarify solid - i LOVE going out to different concerts,,meals out, socialising,,cinema, theatre and festivals. I am slightly insulted at the assumptions you make that I believe I am 'morally superior'. It is an issue if you can remember having children that get up at six, before daddy rolls in at eight ,,still high, needs to sleep all day and unable to parent. Its opting out of family life when it is occurring every other weekend as I have to take the kids out whilst he sleeps. And yes that is no bloody break for me.

Although I am insulted very slightly I also appreciate a bit of devils advocacy , so thanks.

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welshrarebitontheside · 21/09/2014 19:07

Millie, his relationship was in pieces when he met me already. His ex wife is strange , she is v intrusive and wants to be one big happy family. Yet stalls the divorce. However he still feels guilty , you are right.

Rebecca yep - think its history repeating itself.

I know he is not having an affair, because when he is out late he is usually with friends and his son (25 yrs old). Also because I trust him - he is not some kind of serial sex offender , he was a pretty messed up when i met him. After what we went thru, neither of us have any intention of going through that hell again or putting each other thru that.

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Milllie · 21/09/2014 22:39

No one says he is a serial sex offender. Not sure why you would think or say that really. His Wife probably didn't think he was having an affair when he was having one with you and she would have trusted him too so you cant be 100 per cent sure of that especially given your history with him. You say you have no time to yourself because he needs to sleep in on weekends to catch up but you will have even less time if you become a single mum. This is fine of course but be sure what you want first.
Can you not talk to him and tell him how you feel.

Milllie · 21/09/2014 23:41

OP you said he had two teenage daughters with his wife, who is the 25 years old son in all this? Was he married before his other wife?

It sounds like you still have some feelings there for him so do you totally want to call it a day or would you like for things to improve?

wannabestressfree · 21/09/2014 23:59

I think solid has a good point about outgrowing somebody. I was married and I remember looking at him one day as he was throwing up inside the car door on Mother's Day after a particularly heavy night and thinking 'thats it'. He always was a drinker, he always will be but I didn't want to be around it, the boxing days on my own when he was on the piss as it was 'his day', the falling asleep whilst food burnt in the oven.

Anyway what I am getting at is do you want to stay or not? Is it pnd or your situation? Would this come as a complete shock to him?

I wish you all the best though.

Isetan · 22/09/2014 00:41

How fantastic a father can he be if he isn't around much and doesn't prioritise his time with them when he's not working.

As long as you are prepared to take his shit, there's little incentive for him to stop dishing it out. This is who he was and unsurprisingly who he still is. You've made the very common mistake of believing the Ex and their dysfunctional relationship to be the source of the inconsiderate and disrespectful behaviour from their partner. Your love and 'understanding' hasn't changed him because it isn't a lack of love and understanding that is responsible for his selfishness.

It's time to accept that you were sold a pup and it's time to stop investing more of yourself in someone who probably isn't interested in being a father to young children. Yeah, I know he said he wanted them but it probably was on the unspoken understanding that you would be doing the parenting.

MexicanSpringtime · 22/09/2014 04:19

Yeah, I know he said he wanted them but it probably was on the unspoken understanding that you would be doing the parenting

This and keep on clubbing at the same time!

welshrarebitontheside · 22/09/2014 11:54

Thank you everyone.

For serial sex offending I guess I meant womanising.

You all have some helpful points - I need to reflect. I'm also painting him in a horrendous way - I should add that he really does contribute a lot - overcompensation to family life. Yes I wanted the kids more than him - but equally he does give a lot to them of live, time, patience. He does his bit for bedtimes, nursery runs, middle of the night unsettled kids. He is well loved amongst friends and family too.

I feel like i swing backwards and forward and unable to move on with my life or plan for the future. Is this normal prior to leaving someone? Can people share their experiences?

I am also less physically attracted towards him and i am probably pushing him away.

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welshrarebitontheside · 22/09/2014 11:56

I've told him straight, this (allnighters & drugs) stops or we are finished. I agreed to every six weeks before but that obviously backfired.

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Milllie · 22/09/2014 12:02

You said he had two teenage daughters but have also now mentioned. 25 year old son who is with him on his allnighters. Is he from a prior relationship to the one with his wife ?

welshrarebitontheside · 22/09/2014 12:14

All three older kids are from his previous marriage.

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welshrarebitontheside · 22/09/2014 12:15

Wannabe - can you tell me how you went about ending it? What ages were your dc?

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lotsofcheese · 22/09/2014 12:17

OP, I think if your depression was treated & you had individual counselling to address if you want to continue in this relationship, you would be better placed for making a decision.

welshrarebitontheside · 22/09/2014 12:20

Millie, his wife was not dumb - i think she defo had an awareness but stayed in denial. They had seperated on many occasions prior to us meeting.

I have a lot of support with the three stepkids and my parents nearby so I know I won't be single parenting relentlessly.

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welshrarebitontheside · 22/09/2014 12:21

I think my low mood is caused by this situation. Feeling trapped. Although you are spurring me on to get counselling set up soon. Thank you :)

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welshrarebitontheside · 22/09/2014 12:25

Sorry everyone - not articulating well today! I am so confused and he has been nothing but loving and affectionate all weekend :(
Is this confusion normal?
Is it normal after ten years to jealously watch other couples and wish I could swap places?

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HumblePieMonster · 22/09/2014 12:39

show him the door.

next time he's out, pack his stuff and put it in binliners at the bottom of the garden. change the locks.

you don't need him for money (you've got your own). you don't need him for children (you've got them). you don't need him for love and sex (he doesn't provide regularly). so what is he for? oh right, to entertain you by taking drugs and going out all night? you don't need that!

sack him.

Milllie · 22/09/2014 12:47

You do not sound at all sure do you. Do you love him? You say he is awful and then say he is lovely. That's not unusual in itself. Only you know truly in your heart if you really want to end this. Will you regret it? Other than the allnighters with his son and recovery time in bed, he doesn't sound that bad.

dreamingbohemian · 22/09/2014 13:04

No, I don't think it's healthy if you're envying other couples. From everything you write, I agree it's simply that you've outgrown each other. You are at this point very different people and it's hard to see how you can compromise without making major changes, which could then just cause resentment and break you up anyway.

I think confusion is normal when you have an unstable relationship, as opposed to one that is just relentlessly awful, because there will be some nice times. But are the nice times worth the bad ones? Do you want to just be waiting for the next drop on the roller coaster?

I wonder if a trial separation might be possible -- I think individual counseling would help you but I also think a couple weeks on your own would tell you more anything whether this is what you really want.

But I have to be honest and say that in your situation, I would probably leave.

Milllie · 22/09/2014 14:18

I wonder if you hoped he would change for you when he didn't for his ex . Don't you think that maybe she suffered these same problems with him. You were different to her then so he left his wife for you but now you are maybe behaving the same as her. You want him to change but you knew what he was like. Confused

SolidGoldBrass · 22/09/2014 17:15

Humble, that is terrible advice. Bear in mind the OP has no legal right to put this man out of his home and change the locks - he has not been violent to either her or the children, which is the only grounds on which a person can legally be evicted from a home they share. Also, though the relationship has run its course, it should be possible to manage an amicable separation - but that won't be achieved if the OP behaves in the confrontational, entirely unreasonable manner you suggest. It's fine to be harsh and non-negotiable when your partner has been abusive, but when it's just incompatibility it's much more productive for all concerned to make the separation amicable.

MexicanSpringtime · 22/09/2014 17:34

Well said, SGB

wannabestressfree · 22/09/2014 18:38

We split- as in I asked him to leave and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done. He quite honestly felt I was getting 'exactly what was on the tin' which was true .
It was a nasty divorce and still nasty now at times.
You need to he absolutely sure it's what you want.