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endless arguments with DP about sex

113 replies

mollywolly · 20/06/2014 18:30

I just needed to offload here because I feel like I'm going mad.

My DP is now on the verge of breaking up with me because he says I won't let him have the kind of sex he wants, and that I always refuse him and say no. Now we're having no sex whatsoever because, in his words, it's pointless because it's always the way I want it. He blames me entirely for all of this and refuses to accept any kind of responsibility for our sex life, saying he's tried too many times and now it's too late. I'm currently doing a demanding degree course with long work placements and exams, I do pretty much all the stuff in the house and always cook etc. I've tried to explain that sometimes I might not be up for the things he wants to do, but it's nothing to do with him, more that I'm stressed out etc, and he says I'm making excuses and rejecting him. I feel like I've made an effort - have bought some sexy underwear and etc and I do initiate sex, but he still insists that everything is on my terms. He says that everyone knows that if a woman truly fancies her man she'd be up for anything and would never or rarely say no. I don't think that's fair - especially as for women, life tends to get in the way a bit sometimes. I've suggested things he could do to seduce and romance me, but he says he's done everything and there's no point.

If I try to talk to him about it, he says I don't listen to him and he's made his point clear and it's up to me to do something about it. He says I'm nagging if I try and explain how I feel.

I feel we've reached a kind of stalemate and don't really know what to do now.
Sorry it's a bit long!

OP posts:
Dirtybadger · 21/06/2014 01:33

We raise women haters to have the weakest egos. They need women to feed their egos and they come to believe that is not only a use but the purpose of women. Your DP has sex with you to feel good, you don't come into it. If it is ever about your pleasure it is to validate his sexual prowess and masculinity, not because he actually wants you to enjoy yourself. You "let him" do this. You're a passive object.

Honestly he sounds disgusting and if I were you I would be packing my bags. Or his bags. Whichever bags are easiest/most practical.

Fwiw I don't think "even" Johnny Depp would he looking quite so handsome in these circumstances.

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 21/06/2014 01:40

So, molly, you now know that you're rational and reasonable. He's not immature, he's a Proper Grown Man, and his behaviour is totally unacceptable; you don't like it, and we, with one voice, agreed.

What are you going to do about it?

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 21/06/2014 01:48

A further thought. He's stropping and saying he'll never have sex with you again.

Why would you want to stay in a sexless relationship? It doesn't sound like it would suit you; you're still willing to buy the fancy knickers and initiate, you still want sex, just sex you'd enjoy.

Ditch him. Pack his bags, or your own, whichever is easiest, as a pp said. Take him at face value. Believe him when he tells you who, and what, he is.

Please?

Joysmum · 21/06/2014 03:08

What a cock.

Anything sexual requires consent from both participants. If not, you don't do it and concentrate only on what you both like.

If he's convinced that if you truly loved and fancied him you'd be up for anything, tell him you want to fuck him with a large strap on and that if he was that into you then he'd at least let you try!

FunkyBoldRibena · 21/06/2014 07:16

'oh dear'?

Hmm
SnookyPooky · 21/06/2014 09:29

I bet it is bum sex, porn star style. How predictable.

Coconutty · 21/06/2014 09:41

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pictish · 21/06/2014 09:44

That's a good idea...present him with a big fuck off strap on, and tell him to bend over.
See how much he truly fancies you then!

pictish · 21/06/2014 09:45

"You first darling"

andsmile · 21/06/2014 09:45

He is pressurising you into something you dont want to do and using emotional blackmail to get you to agree - if you fancied me.

You shouldnt have to prove yourself to someone based on ther demands that you dont even agree with or like

juneau · 21/06/2014 09:50

He's sending you abusive texts from the spare room? He needs to grow the fuck up. He doesn't get what he wants so he stamps his foot and gets abusive and thinks that's the way to change your mind? Hmm

OP, good for you standing your ground. Letting bullies get their own way is a recipe for misery.

Coconutty · 21/06/2014 09:50

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Staywithme · 21/06/2014 10:01

I'm totally up for doing different things

Oh dear, it sounds as if you're already starting to give it to this creep. Sad

Phineyj · 21/06/2014 10:11

What sort of a person demands sex when their 'D'P is packing the car to move house Shock? What a weirdo.

Snatchoo · 21/06/2014 10:27

Your post sends shivers down my spine.

What an utter, utter creep. Ditch him. He is treating you appallingly.

SolidGoldBrass · 21/06/2014 10:58

Molly this isn't about him wanting sex. This is about him getting pleasure from abusing you. The reason he picks the 'wrong' moment to demand sexual activity is a conscious choice. THe idea is to make you feel guilty, unhappy and annoyed because t hen he has 'won a point.' He may not even want sex at all; he might have problems getting an erection, but his enjoyment comes from making you feel permanently in the wrong.

Honestly, get rid.

AnyFucker · 21/06/2014 11:05

He is setting you up to "fail" by picking stupid moments to pressurise you, knowing the answer will be no

There is a reason he is doing this. It could be 1) he has checked out of your relationship and giving himself justifications to do so 2) he gains pleasure from having you on the back foot 3) he is simply a fucking cock that shouldn't be given house room

Possibly a combination all three. Suffice to say, you tolerating it and giving in to it is categorically the wrong thing to do. You owe him nothing.

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 21/06/2014 11:25

He is saying, if you "really"fancied him you'd service his cock happily at all times

If he really loved you, he'd help you pack the car, right?

StickEmAKissOnTheFish · 21/06/2014 11:31

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springydaffs · 21/06/2014 11:31

This isn't a game OP, he's a monster. Less of the 'oh dear's and 'sigh's. This is bloody serious.

GET OUT you daft woman. He'#s a monster, get out. It's nothing to do with his ego/libido; he wants - and expects - a sex toy, a woman to do his bidding in all things, an object. He wants a bloody doll - RUN FOR THE HILLS. this is the thin end of the wedge for goodness sake. I despair that you're not getting it, you're coming up with excuses that have nothing to do with what is really going on.

Which is that he is an abuser. Abusers are often fabulously charming and just wonderful when they want to be . Don't be an idiot OP.

TheHoneyBadger · 21/06/2014 11:41

yeah it's very much wake the fuck up and pull your big girl's pants up and walk time OP.

he couldn't be telling you any more clearly what kind of monster he is and what he expects from you which is complete and utter submission to his will. there's no halfway - you could do it slowly with a bit of resistance on the way but that's the only way to stay with this man: give up any vestige of free will or personhood.

is that what you want?

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 21/06/2014 11:56

Setting aside the sex-part for the moment (and it's pretty much the only part that really matters here) any relationship which entails "endless arguments" without any attempt at mutual understanding, no intention to find a compromise and with no resolution in sight is doomed. Utterly doomed.

Honestly, he's bloody vile. Just the sound of him and the things he says is making my flesh creep.

MostWicked · 21/06/2014 13:36

I bet it is bum sex, porn star style. How predictable.

The thins he wants to do are completely irrelevant. The fact that she doesn't want to do them is all that matters. Porn star anal sex is fine if the two people doing it, have both chosen and consented to do it. It is not fine when one says "you would if you loved me", then proceeds to spit his dummy out and get abusive when he doesn't get what he wants.

It will never improve because his attitude towards you and sex, are so badly warped.

arsenaltilidie · 21/06/2014 13:47

There is an old saying that men flirt for fun but have sex for validation and women flirt for validation and have sex for fun.

The more sex he has, the more flirty fun he gets, the more she gets in the mood for more sex and the circle continues.

When something breaks that cycle concentrated effort is need on BOTH sides.

The equivalent of what he is feeling is when a woman feels neglected by her husband because he works a lot.
She'll do all sorts to feel validated until she gives up.

Your DH needs to do anything to make sex feel less like a chore and make it more fun.

This depends if other aspects of your relationship are okay.

Dirtybadger · 21/06/2014 14:04

Have you read the whole thread Arsenal? He won't have sex with her now because she says no when he asks at ridiculous times and then moans, bullies, punishes and emotionally blackmails her after. The OP doesn't need to do anything. What effort should she be making? She's doing the right and normal thing. Op doesn't say she always refuses (though she's entitled to).

It's nothing like a bloke working a lot. How can you compare feeling unappreciated because your partner is out a lot to feeling unappreciated because your partner won't let you have sex with them against their will?

Effort is needed on only one side. Molly needs to make the effort to leave this creep.