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About my stepson

107 replies

Cuppachaplz · 16/04/2014 09:01

I probably am being horrible, but I genuinely am at my wits end and don't know what to do.
My husband and his now 19 year old son moved in with my 10 year old son and I about 18 months ago, and we married a few months afterwards. I had previously always got on fine with his children (the other one being at university), and didn't anticipate any problems. I initially tried everything that I could to have ground rules, equally shared chores and family time, but he refuses to do anything except for sit in his room playing computer games. He won't help around the house or clean up after himself. He refuses to wash either himself or his clothes, and won't put clothes to be washed either. He refuses also to make any effort to get a job, but doesn't have any interest in going to college either.
If my husband is out he is aggressive and violent (but never in front of him or anyone else) so I have taken to staying out until he gets home, usually walking around with my son.
He told my son a while ago that if he could split his dad and I up then they could go home, and suspect that this is where things started so I have tried being supportive, and tried asking my husband to talk to him about if he would be happier on his own if we could help him.
Recently he has also started stealing or destroying my things, particularly things that are special to me. The one time my husband made him do some laundry he broke the machine, and since I have stopped asking him to do anything, it feels like he looks for ways to wind me up.
I hate the fact that my 10 year old will do chores without being asked, and yet I am expected to put up with a freeloader who has no intention of doing anything except bully me.
The only house rule for now is that if I am in a room and my husband isn't he must stay out of it. I know this sounds dreadful of me, but I am constantly frightened, and don't know what he might do.
I have begged my gp for counselling, and tried talking to my husband. I am grumpy, snappy and irritable. I can barely sleep and cry every night now. I am at the end of my tether and don't know what do next, and hate myself for thinking that now I just want him out.
I have never posted on anything like this before, but would genuinely appreciate some advice as I don't know what else to try to make things work.

OP posts:
Jan45 · 16/04/2014 17:33

OP, your main problem lies with your OH, it's his job to sort this out, he clearly does not want to and has allowed his son to basically abuse you and put you in a state of terror.

Your OH is the one you should be angry with, in fact you should feel nothing but contempt, I've been in a similar situation and it's the DAD that should be sorting this lad out, I don't know how you can even respect your OH when he has allowed this to escalate to this extent. He's either in denial or basically cannot/doesn't want to parent or has never been a good parent and is happy to let you suffer and your son.

Why would you feel like a bitch when it's okay for your ten year old son to do chores yet a 19 year old does fuck all?

Seriously, get talking with your OH, either things change or you need to honestly re think you're living arrangements with BOTH of them.

Jan45 · 16/04/2014 17:34

your.

And yes, get some backbone and value yourself more than this otherwise expect more of the same.

Jan45 · 16/04/2014 17:40

And he's violent and aggressive but only when your husband is out, does your husband have to be present to believe it for goodness sake.

MexicanSpringtime · 16/04/2014 17:52

I understood Ohbyethen, and yes, you're right, I knew I was being a mite idealistic when I wrote it.

Monroe · 16/04/2014 17:54

OP this sounds a soul destroying way to live. To not even be able to relax in your own home and be walking the streets to avoid being there, surely that cannot be sustainable.

You say you have been keeping a diary of all the incidents. Does this include the ones of violence against you? I would seriously consider writing down every single thing you can recall then calling 101 and logging something with regards the behaviour of your SS towards you and seeing what the police say.

I would then be sitting down either with both of them or at least with DH and telling him that you have formally logged these incidents and what the response was from the police. This may seem like an over reaction but it may make your DH and your SS realise the seriousness of his behaviour and that you will no longer tolerate your Stepsons abuse of you in your own home.

I wish you all the best

yoyo27 · 16/04/2014 18:23

Wow this is awful. Report he cases of stealing to the police. Keep a record. He is probably fighting you because he can't fight his mum. But your partner needs to support you. Either that or leave xx

MiscellaneousAssortment · 16/04/2014 18:42

It's not your fault. You are not imagining it. You are not over reacting. You are not the bad guy.

You are having a horrible time and it's absolutely not ok that your dh is forcing you and your child to live in this way.

You are scared. And undermined. And feel powerless.

You aren't powerless but it's hard to feel anything but when the person you love is ok with this happening to you x

Quitelikely · 16/04/2014 19:11

God he sounds like David Platt (think Coronation Street)!

heyday · 16/04/2014 19:45

He sounds like a very unhappy and angry young man. He probably does blame you for his woes because if you had not married his dad he wouldn't be in this situation now. Young people can often see the world in very simplistic terms. I suggest you talk to your husband again and tell him the effect of all this stress on your health and well being. Demand that you 3 sit down and have a very serious talk. Agree on 1 or 2 simple but manageable steps that could be taken and agree on consequences if those rules are not met. I do think you need to be honest with your husband and tel him that if the situation continues then you can't see how the relationship can work. His son is angry and jealous of this woman who has come into his dad's life and turned everything upside down for him. He know if he plays up enough he will split you up. I do agree with Thefarce, that you need to try and record it if possible plus you can play it back to yourself and see if there is another way of speaking or behaving for example that you could have done differently. I am not putting this on you btw but sometimes small adjustments in our language etc can have a profound affect. I wish you well.

brdgrl · 16/04/2014 21:49

heyday, that advice might be appropriate if the son were 11 or 12. He's 19. He's already caused the OP to 'fall' on the stairs. She has a child to protect. The SS's emotional problems are for him, and his father if he can step up to it, to deal with - not the OP.

And yes, you are putting it on her.

AKeyFox · 16/04/2014 23:27

I get the impression that you may be missing a big chunk of the backstory.

Could you chat more with DSD, especially about her mother ?

AKeyFox · 16/04/2014 23:42

I'm wondering if DSS has always been Daddy's boy and got a lot of support when ill.

When there was some recovery Daddy lessened support and gave more attention to XW but DSS managed to successfully manipulate the situation to get all the attention.

ie XW may have left for very similar reasons to why you are now having 2nd thoughts.

YellowTulips · 17/04/2014 00:13

OP - the truly bad person here is your DH.

He is allowing you to be emotionally abused by his son.

If he won't address the situation then all you can do is ask them both to leave. You don't have to divorce. Simply say that as good parents you both need to address the welfare your respective son's at this time and that means living apart.

It might help to think of it this way. If you allow your DSS to get away with this behaviour what life lesson have you taught him? How will he behave to a future partner and children?

Worse still how will this impact your son? He's probably more aware of the emotional vibe in the house than you think.

You need to show to him it's not acceptable and your DH needs to get a grip of the issue and act like a father (and step father) rather than a passive house guest.

Dirtybadger · 17/04/2014 00:28

Around aged 19 I had quite a few friends living in a local youth hostel. They'd been thrown out by their biological parents. Generally for much less than this. I don't think it was a brilliant start to life for some of them (but they hadn't had a brilliant start anyway) but I think in your SS's case it is very much preferable. And that's without even considering you. If he has a gripe with women, this cannot continue to be tolerated and reinforced. Just like your own children learn about relationships from you, your SS learns about relationships (19- still learning) too. He needs to know this isn't an acceptable way to treat another human being.

And your DH should bloody well trust you. You've no reason to lie or exaggerate, or want him out the house for other reasons.

I feel for your SS. Something has gone terribly wrong somewhere. But I feel for you and your son more! Your DH not so much. I'm not sure he's done everything he could.

I did initially wonder if SS had witnessed poor relationship between his DM and your DH but I see you say they split early on, so perhaps not.

AKeyFox · 17/04/2014 13:20

Is DSS is on JSA/ESA ?

Won't he be on some kind of programme at that age ?

AKeyFox · 17/04/2014 13:25

Basically, I think that DSS should move out and can live relatively close by if he needs wants good contact w DH.
He'll get HB, and I'm sure DH will be more than happy to provide deposit/ rent top-up if needed.

BTW why is DSD getting any rent, isn't this covered in her student loan ?
Hardly sounds like she is exactly the poor relation.

nauticant · 17/04/2014 14:20

I agree with others that the suggestions of making secret recordings are missing the point. The OP is at the nasty end of a campaign of abuse, occasionally physical. Fragments of recording are unlikely to provide a convincing case of what she's suffering. She might strike gold and record something compelling but how long will that take? How long will she need to skulk around her own house with a finger forever on an electronic recording device?

She is entitled to get a considered hearing from her DH. He can then choose to believe her and take proper action, believe her and wring his hands, or not believe her. The latter two should result in him in his son being chucked out of the OP's house.

By the way, I doubt that the DH doesn't believe the OP. I think it's more that he's willing to sort of believe some of what he hears while avoiding facing what this means about him, his son, and whether he actually needs to face up to his responsibilities.

In your shoes OP I'd kick them both out now. If I were feeling especially nice, I'd give them a week or two before they leave.

Cuppachaplz · 17/04/2014 16:53

Both DH and I contribute to DSD's rent; we offered to do this to support her through university, something my parents did for me. When we moved in together and became a family, I was adamant that I would treat everyone equally, hoping to avoid situations like this, however SS (and DH's blindness to the situation) making this impossible.
She never asked, nor expected it, and very often returns some money at the end of the month if she is offered extra weeks at work, something we do not ask for. She comes back here in holidays, and looks after my DS, who she adores (and likewise) in order to save me childcare costs and then does bar work in the evenings. She has worked very hard for what she has, and we both felt that she needed some help. The point was merely that I would imagine that DH and I would be very much less able to provide this if we were covering 2 sets of rent/bills/etc.
I would have gladly helped SS out, both in terms of finding help/a room, finances, and support with basic skills that doesn't seem to possess, had he wanted to remain in his hometown when DH moved here. I rather feel however that this ship has sailed and that he has placed himself irrevocably beyond any help of that kind from me, although as many people have pointed out, he could presumably look to his father/mother/extended family for that. I do wonder if he gets some kind of kick out of making me feel bad, since since I can't see an awful lot else in to for him.
DH's XW left when both SC were pre-school (SS about 6m old), returning briefly to empty DH's savings, then again to move into a spare room with her new BF when he lost his flat (FFS!), which she was legally entitled to do as both names were on the mortgage. I know this for a fact, as DH and I had been friends for many years, having been to university together.
DH has struggled for many years being a single male parent, and his house was rented, so to move, he would need to start again. When we have had this discussion in the past, he has asked for time to sort out somewhere else.
I cannot tape any violence etc, since this has not happened for a while, more recently it is just attitude, and things disappearing; today all of my jeans have gone from the washing line!
I am fed of of the feeble, puerile and malicious games, and have told my husband that if SS doesn't move out, either with or without him, then DS and I will, and will get an eviction order in order to get our house back. However I was hoping to avoid this. I wanted to go to counselling so that he could hopefully see what this is doing to me and that I am not trying to spite him, or cause problems with his son.
For everyone out there saying that he should believe me over his DS, I do have to ask myself who I would believe were the situation reversed, and the answer is of course that my DS will always come first, which is why I was hoping that an independent counsellor may help.
That said, if he genuinely believes that I am the cause, why would he want his DS living with me anyway.
I have an appointment next week with CAB and the benefits office to discuss what help is out there for SS in terms of housing, since I know he will not bother himself, even if I were to empty his room onto the pavement!DH appears committed to finding a solution, but seems ineffectual, and does't want to be seen to be letting is son down.
I myself don't want to be blamed when SS relapses (likely to happen in the next 5 years or so), and also don't want to 'what if' and blame myself for handling things badly.
Sorry for another rambling response, but thinks that's most questions answered.
Thanks again for everyones help, feels very good to get everything off my chest x

OP posts:
WitchWay · 17/04/2014 17:03

It sounds like you're trying to take back control - good Smile

heyday · 17/04/2014 18:33

Yes, you do sound stronger now and perhaps that is because you have been able to voice your worries/anger/anxiety in a supportive environment. It sounds like you are in a position to support yourself financially if hubby left which gives you much more control over your life. It will be sad if your marriage breaks up and DH leaves along with his son, but tbh it won't survive much longer with things as they are. I do hope you can resolve this without too much more stress and that some sort of relationship can be maintained if that is what you want.

Quinteszilla · 17/04/2014 18:35

What did your husband respond to this?

TheCatThatSmiled · 17/04/2014 18:51

Cuppa, don't move out. You are married, the house may well be viewed as a joint marital asset. You may not be able to evict him, and could lose your home - unless he had signed some sort of agreement that he won't make a claim on it.

TheCatThatSmiled · 17/04/2014 18:57

In fact, reading through this whole thread again you need to sit your husband down and say his son must go, and go now. If he chooses to go with him so be it.

You are afraid in your own home.

It doesn't matter if he believes you or not. You are afraid in your own home.

Chippednailvarnish · 17/04/2014 19:06

Do not leave your house, that's the worst thing you could do.

Holdthepage · 17/04/2014 19:47

Firstly, you are not the bad guy in this. Don't leave your home, you need to issue an ultimatum step son needs to be out by next weekend. Give your DH the choice of either staying or leaving with the SS. The SS leaving is non negotiable. It really is time to make a stand against his underhand behaviour.