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DP dragging his heels about our future

627 replies

CarryOnDreaming · 03/04/2014 12:18

I’ve been with DP for 3 years, living together for a little over half of that. I’m 35 and he’s 34 although we both feel younger than that at heart. We clicked from the word go – we have the same sense of humour, interests, plenty of chemistry, get on great with each others’ friends and trust each other completely. He’s held in high regard by colleagues, friends and family and is a truly lovely person. Great, I thought: FINALLY someone worth it on my wavelength!

When we first got serious and had the talk about out future, he said he envisaged us marrying in around 3 years and starting a family in around 5. I was 32 at the time and thought 37 might be pushing it to start TTC, but we’re both ambitious career-wise and told myself it might be just as well we got that side out our lives figured out first, as well as not rushing into things.

3 years on and there’s no sign of taking the relationship on to the next stage. I had a talk with him about the future in a non-pushy way and while he says he definitely still wants to marry me and have a family, it’s in abstract terms of “some day” as he doesn’t feel ready yet. He insisted that was no reflection on his feelings for me. The reasons he gave were 1) He’s overwhelmed by his demanding job and couldn’t see how planning a wedding / being a dad would fit into that right now 2) Our house isn’t big enough to accommodate a child and we can’t afford to move 3) He’d never considered settling down with anyone before me and while he thought becoming a dad was what he wanted, he now thinks he might have been in that mindset just because it’s what people do, and now he’s not 100% sure if he wants kids because life’s stressful enough and at present we have freedom to enjoy ourselves which alleviates that stress.

I’m a planner, whereas he prefers to go with the flow, but when it comes to my fertility, I don’t think he’s quite grasped, despite me explaining it to him, that it doesn’t quite work that way! He seems to see things back to front compared to me, ie: my solution to our house bursting at the seams with no room for a child would be to save up for an extension, whereas he says we can’t afford that (we could if we budgeted, but the thought of spending large sums of money on anything terrifies him) and then a year down the line he’ll still use the same excuse about the house not being big enough!

I love this man with all my heart. He’s not only my partner but my best friend. We have a really warm, affectionate loving relationship and I couldn’t imagine not sharing the rest of my life with him or wanting a family with anyone but him, but when I’m laying awake at night I worry that I’m going to look back at the age of 40 and nothing has changed and I’ll have missed the boat. I often wondered why such a charismatic, loyal, caring, funny person such as him hadn’t been snapped up before – perhaps it’s because he’s just too much of a Peter Pan? Or perhaps I just need to be patient and stop worrying so much? Opinions welcomed, thank you.

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GoshAnneGorilla · 05/04/2014 16:07

Andthe - very wise posts.

Am stunned that anyone thinks a ring in itself is enough to resolve things.

diddl · 05/04/2014 16:51

I really don't get how people can get to this age & not be able to commit to someone they profess to love.

I was nearly thirty when I met my husband & we both knew that we wanted to be together & have kids so we got on with it!

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BranchingOut · 06/04/2014 08:38

I would allow a month to enjoy 'being engaged'.

Then begin talking about the practical arrangements for a wedding: where, who, when...

See how he reacts.

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Twinklestein · 06/04/2014 10:30

Nor me.

The OP asked for baby and got a bit of metal. It's a red herring.

The baby issue has to be resolved before marriage because it's one of the most common reasons for divorce. Couples don't discuss it, or think they're on the same page, or one changes their mind.

EverythingCounts · 06/04/2014 12:48

For goodness' sake, leaving it for a month is fine. All the posters pointing out how insensitive the fiance was before are suggesting actions that leave the OP open to looking just as insensitive. He produces a ring, and she's supposed to shout 'That's all very well, but I want a baby! GIVE ME YOUR SPERM NOW!' Hey presto, bloke feels like nothing more than a sperm donor and is crushed. Come on, at least allow some breathing space! I fully agree with getting a move on but let's not go mad.

EverythingCounts · 06/04/2014 12:54

While I think, though, OP, you might want to point out to your fiance the contradiction between 'Having kids will be stressful, I enjoy our life now where we can alleviate that' and the present situation where he is mega stressed by work, so much so that he didn't think he could contemplate marriage. Life will always be stressful, for different reasons at different times. It's not reason not to have kids. Childfree couples don't automatically have any easy life!

Twinklestein · 06/04/2014 12:57

You're taking it a bit literally. It's not that she can't leave it for a month, but that the essential question is still unresolved. She could leave it 6 months, but the issue remains: does he want kids or not. She can't really 'enjoy' being engaged without an answer to that, so there's no point wasting more time...

I can't believe that her bf is so fragile that he can't answer a question now as easily as in a month.

BranchingOut · 06/04/2014 13:59

When I say leave it for a month, I do mean that at the end of the month you would be sitting down with diaries, beginning to scope out locations and venues, talking about lining up your best man and bridesmaids...

You could plan an Xmas wedding and begin TTC in the autumn of this year?

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 06/04/2014 14:03

It's funny that some posters are actively advising a woman in her mid thirties not to speak to her partner about if or when they will have children.

It's like, "ooh, she mustn't be pushy- she's got her ring now, what more does she want?"

It's an interesting way to conduct a relationship I suppose.

EverythingCounts · 06/04/2014 14:12

John, I am certainly not saying 'don't speak to him about this' if I am who you mean. I agree fully with Branching that a month from now they should be able to think about making plans both to ttc and to get the wedding arranged. I just don't agree with the the view that insists this couple have to forget about enjoying their engagement, even for a few weeks, because they have to ttc RIGHT NOW or the relationship is DOOMED.

EverythingCounts · 06/04/2014 14:12

John, I am certainly not saying 'don't speak to him about this' if I am who you mean. I agree fully with Branching that a month from now they should be able to think about making plans both to ttc and to get the wedding arranged. I just don't agree with the the view that insists this couple have to forget about enjoying their engagement, even for a few weeks, because they have to ttc RIGHT NOW or the relationship is DOOMED.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 06/04/2014 14:17

I really don't see why on earth you would get engaged when you have no idea where your partner stands on having kids. It's pretty fundamental.

Is it that hard for him to say, yes, let's ttc next summer?

Clearly, for some reason it is.

EverythingCounts · 06/04/2014 14:17

I also agree that engagement should = wedding date being set. No point in that kind of perpetual engagement some people have as an alternative to marriage actually. happening.

Twinklestein · 06/04/2014 14:24

Fuck dates and venues, there's no point discussing marquees and menus until she has established the terms of the contract to which is committing herself.

flowery · 06/04/2014 14:33

"I really don't see why on earth you would get engaged when you have no idea where your partner stands on having kids. It's pretty fundamental."

Well, quite.

Floggingmolly · 06/04/2014 14:39

How exactly does she spend the next month enjoying "being engaged"?? Confused.
They've been living together for 18 months; all that's changed is that she now has a ring on her finger but she's still afraid to push any further like having the temerity to actually discuss setting a date, and the does he / doesn't he want children sage continues as before...
Nothing of any particular relevance to op's predicament has changed at all.

Goodadvice1980 · 06/04/2014 14:54

OP, I know you have the ring now but I think this is a stalling tactic. If he was on the same page as you for the future my gut feeling is he would have produced it some time ago.

I worked with a woman who had been through this; eventually he produced a ring - cue a very long engagement! When she remarked that the engagement had been so long the ring was in danger of wearing out, he went and got her another one - as her Christmas present if I remember correctly!

Reluctantly he married her and not long afterwards he actually met someone else and cleared off (I believe he married no.2 very soon after the split as well).

The point is, this woman I worked with wasted the best years of her life on someone who blatantly never really wanted the same thing.

I really hope I'm wrong, but your post resonated with me about the poor woman I worked with ....

nastymrsvicar · 06/04/2014 15:10

Believe it or not, I have read the thread from the beginning! Congratulations on the engagement - I agree with others that you now need to set the date. I organised a church wedding and reception for 150 in 2 weeks, it isn't really that complicated once you cut out the fripperies (didn't bother with bridesmaids, cake or posh cars).

There's not a lot of point in being engaged if you don't know when you are getting married.

bakingtins · 06/04/2014 15:31

There's not a lot of point in getting married if you haven't established that your life plans are compatible.

PinkEasterbunny · 06/04/2014 15:40

I met my first husband when I was 22. Still no sign of marriage by the time I was 30, I was unsure about children at this point, so wasn't too worried about ttc, but was getting to the point where his lack of commitment was becoming embarrassing, and thinking that if he was never going to propose, then I was wasting my life on him. So I really put the pressure on, he reluctantly married me when I was 32, and just over a year later he started the affair that ended our brief marriage.

Yes, I should have known better. But be careful if a man needs a bomb up his backside to get to the altar.

Helltotheno · 06/04/2014 16:01

Bloody hell Easter that's rough. It just goes to show that it doesn't do for a woman to be hanging round waiting for a man to decide the course of her life. I'm sure you're well shut of him though...

Imo OP's bf has already given her his answer so I guess her trying to pin him down further after him making the Grand Gesture and throwing in a bit of blubbing for good measure, is only going to cause further agro between them.

Oh well, hopefully it'll come good in the end....