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DP dragging his heels about our future

627 replies

CarryOnDreaming · 03/04/2014 12:18

I’ve been with DP for 3 years, living together for a little over half of that. I’m 35 and he’s 34 although we both feel younger than that at heart. We clicked from the word go – we have the same sense of humour, interests, plenty of chemistry, get on great with each others’ friends and trust each other completely. He’s held in high regard by colleagues, friends and family and is a truly lovely person. Great, I thought: FINALLY someone worth it on my wavelength!

When we first got serious and had the talk about out future, he said he envisaged us marrying in around 3 years and starting a family in around 5. I was 32 at the time and thought 37 might be pushing it to start TTC, but we’re both ambitious career-wise and told myself it might be just as well we got that side out our lives figured out first, as well as not rushing into things.

3 years on and there’s no sign of taking the relationship on to the next stage. I had a talk with him about the future in a non-pushy way and while he says he definitely still wants to marry me and have a family, it’s in abstract terms of “some day” as he doesn’t feel ready yet. He insisted that was no reflection on his feelings for me. The reasons he gave were 1) He’s overwhelmed by his demanding job and couldn’t see how planning a wedding / being a dad would fit into that right now 2) Our house isn’t big enough to accommodate a child and we can’t afford to move 3) He’d never considered settling down with anyone before me and while he thought becoming a dad was what he wanted, he now thinks he might have been in that mindset just because it’s what people do, and now he’s not 100% sure if he wants kids because life’s stressful enough and at present we have freedom to enjoy ourselves which alleviates that stress.

I’m a planner, whereas he prefers to go with the flow, but when it comes to my fertility, I don’t think he’s quite grasped, despite me explaining it to him, that it doesn’t quite work that way! He seems to see things back to front compared to me, ie: my solution to our house bursting at the seams with no room for a child would be to save up for an extension, whereas he says we can’t afford that (we could if we budgeted, but the thought of spending large sums of money on anything terrifies him) and then a year down the line he’ll still use the same excuse about the house not being big enough!

I love this man with all my heart. He’s not only my partner but my best friend. We have a really warm, affectionate loving relationship and I couldn’t imagine not sharing the rest of my life with him or wanting a family with anyone but him, but when I’m laying awake at night I worry that I’m going to look back at the age of 40 and nothing has changed and I’ll have missed the boat. I often wondered why such a charismatic, loyal, caring, funny person such as him hadn’t been snapped up before – perhaps it’s because he’s just too much of a Peter Pan? Or perhaps I just need to be patient and stop worrying so much? Opinions welcomed, thank you.

OP posts:
Bahhhhhumbug · 04/04/2014 23:31

Thank you scottishmummy I don't know what point I'm trying to make with it but I feel it's relevant to this thread in some obscure way. Maybe the answer is at the bottom of this bottle of wine I'm having. Hmm

CarryOnDreaming · 04/04/2014 23:39

I'm going to be very crude and blunt here, OP. Does this engagement ring consist of gold and a precious stone?

It's platinum with diamonds and emeralds.

OP posts:
Helltotheno · 04/04/2014 23:50

Nice... but it ain't gonna impregate you !!!

Helltotheno · 04/04/2014 23:50

impregnate even :)

Nuttybiscuits · 04/04/2014 23:59

I agree 100% with stonehairbrush -OP I hope you can chat to someone in RL who truly knows you and your situation.

On several occasions I've had threads here where most of the posters were saying something negative about me, while ALL of my friends were saying the opposite, because they could see the situation in a context far wider than the few words posted on a forum.

For those of you making disparaging remarks about OP being fobbed off with a ring, I would stake my house on it that if OP had come back here and said that her DP had only asked her to marry him, you would all be saying 'where's the ring then'? (In fact someone said just that), 'don't believe him unless he produces a ring' etc. The poor guy can't win can he?

It's great that some of you set a date immediately on getting engaged, but realistically how many people do that? Literally nobody I know has known the date of their wedding the same day as getting engaged. FFS he only asked her last night, give them a chance!

OP I think it's lovely news, great that you're making progress, and good luck with the rest of the weekend's talks

Val007 · 05/04/2014 00:08

Op, congratulations on your engagement! What excellent news!

Everybody else, calm down!

Give the guy a chance. He produced a diamond ring, he produced it 'unplanned' - hence not a total control freak and he produced it because he felt for the OP seeing her this upset. Lets give him some time to get his head round, plan the wedding, tell everyone about the engagement etc. I am sure they both want to start trying after marriage, not before, like most traditional couples. So if the wedding is quick - that will give them the all clear to try away.

I am sure the OP will be extra vigilant for signs of stalling from now on thanks to this thread lol.

Op good on you for taking all the advice in consideration!

Cheers to the happy couple :-)

scottishmummy · 05/04/2014 00:45

Apart from ring She's in same place.
You can woo hoo about ring,but it's not resolution

Martorana · 05/04/2014 01:04

Welcome to the 1950s.....

KeatsiePie · 05/04/2014 06:03

CarryOn just caught up. Congratulations!!!

I agree with others that you can't back off from the ttc. conversation, b/c, yes, the limited time window is a big deal for both of you, for your shared future. But you know this.

Btw. I suppose my perspective is different on this b/c I'm American but it is totally normal ime. for adults who are living together to get engaged complete with ring and then plan a traditional (as in venue, dress, reception, flowers, cake) wedding to take place 12-18 months later. I'd be worried about doing that in your situation b/c of how far back it pushes the ttc date, but there's nothing weird here about getting engaged just b/c you are over 20 and already live together.

Ring sounds lovely Thanks

KeatsiePie · 05/04/2014 06:05

Oh and higgle I thought this the joy of adult children is wonderful. OP, look ahead 25 years and imagine your grown up son taking you out to lunch, suggesting music you might like etc etc was really lovely.

Pobblewhohasnotoes · 05/04/2014 09:24

I think some people on here are getting a bit 'rose tinted glasses' about the engagement as if it solves all problems.

Yes it is lovely, but the reality is if you or he want a fair sized wedding then you're looking at another year to 18 months. Plus he wants to save for an extension, have you asked him how long for? Another year or six months? So potentially you're going to be 37/38 before you ttc. Not ideal is it.

Or you have a small registry office wedding and crack on with ttc straight away and save for the extension at the same time. Babies don't need extensions.

What would be interesting OP is which option he chooses. As that really will tell you where he stands in having ttc and having children. If he's not bothered in putting ttc off for another 3 years despite fertility, you have your answer.

PerhapsNot · 05/04/2014 09:30

The engagement is not the issue it's that the OP and her partner have had a big discussion and are moving forward - that's the good thing. Everything isn't totally sorted but it's going in the right direction.

I don't understand how so many posters can read the OPs partners mind. It's very clever of them. Confused

nkf · 05/04/2014 10:13

They sound on track to me. It's just he's moving at a slower place.

Jollyphonics · 05/04/2014 10:20

I agree nkf but the problem is that OP doesn't have time to go at a slower pace if she wants to be able to have kids.

Martorana · 05/04/2014 10:24

Can I ask-has the OP said anywhere that she won't have a baby without being married? If not- why all the fuss about weddings? If she's not bothered, then obviously the proposal/engagement/wedding schtick is just another stalling/controlling tactic.....

Helltotheno · 05/04/2014 10:31

Nobody can read anyone's mind but there are compelling facts here.

I know of more engagements that broke off after a long time than you could shake a stick at. OK I also know loads that led to marriage etc but the thing about all of those was that they were all long. I know of very few engagements, in fact none, that were shorter than a year, and that's at a minimum.

It's great news for the OP if she puts a lot of store in rings and in the actual fact of engagement, but at their stage, I'd be expecting more of a definitive 'let's get going' type of thing from him... if he was fully committed to her and to being together that is.

And let's face if, over 30, you know after a year.
OP knows, he doesn't.

Helltotheno · 05/04/2014 10:32

Martorana he doesn't want kids right now.

Martorana · 05/04/2014 10:35

Absolutely. Which is why all this proposal/engagement/wedding stuff is a smoke screen.

Allofaflumble · 05/04/2014 10:38

The trouble is that he had to be cajoled into getting engaged, getting married, ttc etc.

Will he be throwing this in her face when the hurdles present?

If he is open and willing to reveal their engagement, make plans and agree to ttc then all may be well, but if there is any delaying re. talking openly, saving for various reasons then it does not bode well for OP, which is a shame as she sounds a real catch.

IfNotNowThenWhen · 05/04/2014 10:43

NRFT, sorry, but it is very common for men to get really comfortable in a relationship and not want to change things. And they can be very wilfully naive about biology.
I have met few men who said (under the age of 40) yes I want kids AND lets have them NOW, so that is fairly normal. The gamble is that there are also a proportion of men who will do the "one day" routine, but have no intention of actually getting you pregnant.
Compare: One of my friends, 37 now, been with her DP for 4 years. We have all realised that he will never have a family with her. He is 33, and is nowehre near ready (or more importantly willing. Many women arent ready either, but they do it anyway)

Another of my friends was 39 when she met her 27 year old partner. She had kissed a LOT of frogs, many of them more age appropriate, but this was the one. He knew this too, and , even though he hadnt been expecting to be a dad so soon in life, he LOVED my friend, and loved her enough to make that leap. They have 2 children now.

So, only you can really know in your heart of hearts whether this man will take the leap with you. And if he dangles you, and dangles you, and you end up missing out on something you really want, then he doesn't love you enough.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 05/04/2014 10:58

Before reading DP has now given you an engagement ring OP I was going to suggest that you move out. Keep seeing him but don't live under the same roof. When someone objects to change because things are great as they are, why not test that. Don't push fast forward, rewind. I don't mean pre-sex, but pre-cohabitation.

Anyway the thread has moved on very fast so good luck OP.

Chunderella · 05/04/2014 11:08

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IfNotNowThenWhen · 05/04/2014 12:41

RFT now.
May I just say, I have loved Mistress DeeCee's posts, particularly the bit about being "careful, always careful" and in the process not feeling able to assert what you want.
She is right-men are not children to be led by the hand. They are grown ups. OP, it's lovely about the ring,but...sometimes a ring is just a ring.

Your DP knows full well what you want, and what you need.
If I were you, I would still be giving this a strict time limit. If he is not prepared to bin the condoms within the next six months I would be out of there.
Why compromise?

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 05/04/2014 13:40

I read the whole thread. Imho, you may have a confirmed bachelor on your hands (perhaps why he cried when he gave you the ring?). I agree that the dynamic centers on his not wanting children (and perhaps even marriage-that remains to be seen).

He will not let this/these important "deal breaker" issues be reduced to a black and white- Yes or No answer.

We all know that "Yes" means yes and "No" means no. But you must understand that any vague answer also means "No". This very much includes "maybe", "might want to", "ask me later", "I'll think about it"...And even "Yes, but not right now" is a No in disguise. Same as, "We can't marry this year because it is my brother/sister's wedding this year". Or "we can't marry because x family member is on extended safari/a rocket to Mars and we have to wait until he gets back"...That would be a "no", too.

He said it is not fair to keep you in hanging in limbo (sorry to paraphrase).
Ok, that is a nice statement...about you (for once)...But what of it? Did he say he was not going to keep you hanging in limbo anymore? No he didn't. It is as much about what he doesn't say.

I am happy for you about the ring. Now the summer series of weddings will be more comfortable, if nothing else. Can you project a little further into the future (not quite to adult children-but can endorse that Smile )? The summer series of weddings will evolve into a series of Baby Showers and Christenings. This will be the painful part as well as watching these youngsters grow up. Imho, this is when/where the relationship destroying resentment will eclipse standing by your man and all of his choices.

So, in saying you are prepared to give up having children to stay with him, it might be that you will be giving up the circle of friends eventually as well. They will evolve into parent/family stage. It is fine if you don't want to move to that stage, but if you 95% want children, it is going to hurt like hell to not to. Do you think being honorary Auntie Dreaming will patch the hole in your soul? Either way, I seriously doubt the happy status quo (with the group of friends) of the present will continue indefinitely.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 05/04/2014 14:11

A book might not be a waste of time:
Smart Women, Foolish Choices by Drs. Cowan & Kinder

Yes, IfNotNow. Dreaming, if he was serious about not having you hanging in limbo, he would have at least offered to bin the condoms then and there.