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DP dragging his heels about our future

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CarryOnDreaming · 03/04/2014 12:18

I’ve been with DP for 3 years, living together for a little over half of that. I’m 35 and he’s 34 although we both feel younger than that at heart. We clicked from the word go – we have the same sense of humour, interests, plenty of chemistry, get on great with each others’ friends and trust each other completely. He’s held in high regard by colleagues, friends and family and is a truly lovely person. Great, I thought: FINALLY someone worth it on my wavelength!

When we first got serious and had the talk about out future, he said he envisaged us marrying in around 3 years and starting a family in around 5. I was 32 at the time and thought 37 might be pushing it to start TTC, but we’re both ambitious career-wise and told myself it might be just as well we got that side out our lives figured out first, as well as not rushing into things.

3 years on and there’s no sign of taking the relationship on to the next stage. I had a talk with him about the future in a non-pushy way and while he says he definitely still wants to marry me and have a family, it’s in abstract terms of “some day” as he doesn’t feel ready yet. He insisted that was no reflection on his feelings for me. The reasons he gave were 1) He’s overwhelmed by his demanding job and couldn’t see how planning a wedding / being a dad would fit into that right now 2) Our house isn’t big enough to accommodate a child and we can’t afford to move 3) He’d never considered settling down with anyone before me and while he thought becoming a dad was what he wanted, he now thinks he might have been in that mindset just because it’s what people do, and now he’s not 100% sure if he wants kids because life’s stressful enough and at present we have freedom to enjoy ourselves which alleviates that stress.

I’m a planner, whereas he prefers to go with the flow, but when it comes to my fertility, I don’t think he’s quite grasped, despite me explaining it to him, that it doesn’t quite work that way! He seems to see things back to front compared to me, ie: my solution to our house bursting at the seams with no room for a child would be to save up for an extension, whereas he says we can’t afford that (we could if we budgeted, but the thought of spending large sums of money on anything terrifies him) and then a year down the line he’ll still use the same excuse about the house not being big enough!

I love this man with all my heart. He’s not only my partner but my best friend. We have a really warm, affectionate loving relationship and I couldn’t imagine not sharing the rest of my life with him or wanting a family with anyone but him, but when I’m laying awake at night I worry that I’m going to look back at the age of 40 and nothing has changed and I’ll have missed the boat. I often wondered why such a charismatic, loyal, caring, funny person such as him hadn’t been snapped up before – perhaps it’s because he’s just too much of a Peter Pan? Or perhaps I just need to be patient and stop worrying so much? Opinions welcomed, thank you.

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struggling100 · 04/04/2014 14:27

Yay, OP! I don't think your DP sounds like he's stalling at all - I think this sounds like really great progress.

Good luck with the end of the PhD (it's a horrible time) - and enjoy the engagement and the wedding!

CrimeaRiver · 04/04/2014 14:39

I didn't express my self clearly in my last post, I will try again.

Your DP needs to understand that if he wants children "one day", and if he wants them with you (which is what getting engaged suggests), he HAS NO CHOICE. He has to start TTC now/in the near future.

The only explanation for playing fast and loose with his chances of having children, is that he is thinking that if he doesn't have them with you, he will have them with someone else.

Nuttybiscuits · 04/04/2014 14:42

Congratulations OP!!!!

Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers

I think this just proves that for those saying so many negative things about him, how he'd never commit etc etc - they cannot judge his motives and what he is planning to do from a few words on a screen. All along he was planning this for you, which is lovely.

Well done you, delighted for you.

Tell us about the ring!!

Twinklestein · 04/04/2014 15:01

To echo Armadale, I could instance two of my friends who left babies until they were 35 only to find they were infertile. For one it destroyed her marriage.

Or the case of my cousin - lovely guy - highly intelligent, highly educated, highly successful, highly thought of, who wasted the fertile years of his ex-gf waiting to be 'ready' for kids. By the time he was ready she could no longer have kids; while he is now he married to another woman and has two children.

What your bf is doing is very, very common OP, and the wayside is littered with woman who held out for their bf to be ready only for the relationship to go up in smoke through the stress of failed IVF, miscarriages and recriminations.

The risk of miscarriage for women under 35 years old is around 6%, for those aged 35 to 40 it is nearly 15%, and for mothers over 40, the risk is 23%. (Figures from the Miscarriage Association).

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 04/04/2014 15:09

Nutty the DP has given her a ring, which he says he had planned to give her on an as yet unbooked holiday. It is hardly a great show of commitment.

OP I hope that further discussions with your DP prove fruitful over the weekend.

Gen35 · 04/04/2014 15:25

I actually think this is more hopeful for op. Agree to all the comments on discussing further but it looks like a promising start and dh is starting to understand this is fundamental and not going away. Good luck op. Ps I started ttc at 28 as did a couple of good friends and we still all had problems. Chances do get worse as older and shouldn't be ignored but bad luck can strike at any age. Actually I wish we'd ttc sooner as by dc2 we were getting decrepit, as are our parents!

Petal02 · 04/04/2014 15:43

Wow - I've just come back to this thread, I was reading it yesterday, and what a lot has changed in 24hrs!!!

Congratulations on your engagement OP, this is an ENORMOUS step in the right direction. You now need to keep the momentum going, get a date set for the wedding, and surely you could start ttc while you're saving up the extension???????

Jollyphonics · 04/04/2014 15:53

Just checking OP - your partner does know it takes 9 months to make a baby doesn't he? He realises that they don't pop out the day after you decide to TTC? From the day he agreed to TTC, you'd have, in all probabality, at least a year before there was an actual baby. Which gives you plenty of time to make adjustments to your lifestyles and living conditions. It might be worth pointing that out to him.

Preciousbane · 04/04/2014 16:08

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TheABC · 04/04/2014 16:19

Congratulations, OP, on your engagement. However, as you can see from other posters stats, time is not on your side. Start ttc now. It takes nine months to bake one and you can save up/ get married in the meantime.

That's your compromise. He can pick the wedding date, but no one can predict a conception date.

scottishmummy · 04/04/2014 16:20

This doesn't prove anything op is as unmarried and unpregnant as she was yesterday
Are some of you really so gushy about a ring?its a ring but it's not resolution
I wish the op all the very best,but don't lose the momentum and set imminent date and end of year ttc

Finally,best wishes with PhD

Offred · 04/04/2014 16:22

Being engaged does give you extra rights needaninsight compared to just cohabiting actually as I posted earlier, under the law reform (miscellaneous provisions) act 1970...

Being engaged is not a marriage though or a commitment to having a child. You can be engaged forever and never marry but I don't see what op has to lose if she's decided that she wants the marriage predominantly and wants children with him or no children at all and is prepared to stay on that basis.

lotsofcheese · 04/04/2014 16:24

I'd be reluctant to accept an engagement ring without having agreed my terms & conditions re: marriage/TTC......

Helltotheno · 04/04/2014 16:32

Arnadale so sorry to hear about your miscarriages :( Just to briefly hijack, a friend of mine had 4 misses and it was discovered that she had a (fully treatable) thing that was causing them and she did go on to have DC. You've probably already had this investigated though?

OP I guess congratulations are in order :)
Even though my own view of engagement is that it sucks ass and is a complete waste of time, in addition to often being a time-wasting tactic, I accept that I'm out of step with most of the rest of womankind in that view... at least as offred says, it confers some benefits.

Not to be cynical though, you are not out of the woods, and what everyone has been saying is true. Don't fall into the 20-year engagement trap, and the advice to set yourself your own very realistic and urgent timelines is still very important in your case imo.

In fact, the engagement should have changed nothing in that regard.

sunbathe · 04/04/2014 16:56

One of the nicest women I knew was engaged for 7 years by the time I met her.

I met, married and was pregnant with my first child 3 years later, when I lost touch with her.

She was still engaged.

To me, there's no point to an engagement, unless you've set a date.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 04/04/2014 16:56

Your DP needs to understand that if he wants children "one day", and if he wants them with you (which is what getting engaged suggests), he HAS NO CHOICE. He has to start TTC now/in the near future.

The only explanation for playing fast and loose with his chances of having children, is that he is thinking that if he doesn't have them with you, he will have them with someone else.

^^ THIS.

MistressDeeCee · 04/04/2014 17:13

Sounds as if the talk went well. Good luck OP.

Still - you've been together/serious for a while and if engagement was that important Im quite surprised you weren't engaged already. Especially as you're both in your 30s. Hopefully you won't now have another waiting game of engagement being a salve to keep you quiet for a few more years.

No woman needs to teach a grown man to suck eggs. No matter what what me may choose to convince ourselves, men aren't babies they've lived life, before they meet you. We don't need to come along and show them the ropes. They know what they do and don't want and an indecisive man who needs 'the big tslk' and to be brought to tears perhaps isn't ready for what he sees as responsibility. I really dislike the phrase 'go with the flow'. When a man says that I just hear 'I want you to go with MY flow'.

Men aren't children to be guided and this isn't the 1st flash of youthful love. Its also not always a good thing to let a man plainly see you will take him on at all costs. Your wants and needs matter just as much as his do. There has to be balance, its a rocky road without that.

I hope he is worth all the waiting and wondering and talking tho, and that you get your wish.

MistressDeeCee · 04/04/2014 17:14

Hmm typos, I hate tapping away on phones !

Armadale · 04/04/2014 18:10

Helltotheno, thanks for that.

I agree absolutely and think it is very important for anyone who has lost several to get tested in case there is something that can be done.

(I have had lots of tests. The early ones have been genetically unviable, the late losses are due to probs with placenta, so the plan has been for me to keep getting pregnant until I get another genetically OK one, and for them to then treat the placental problem).

pommedeterre · 04/04/2014 18:57

I think he probably doesn't want children.

If saving for an extension is more important then it's pretty low down on the list of priorities.

stonehairbrush · 04/04/2014 19:44

Congrats OP! If I was you I'd wait a few weeks and then talk seriously about setting a wedding date. If indeed, you want a wedding. The town hall and two witnesses would do the job! Personally, that's my preference.

expatinscotland · 04/04/2014 19:45

There will be saving for the wedding, saving for the extension and then other excuses used to 'meet you in the middle'.

Back2Two · 04/04/2014 19:52

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stonehairbrush · 04/04/2014 19:54

Oh yes I wouldn't be saving for anything other than maternity leave

expatinscotland · 04/04/2014 19:56

Our engagement was the two week wait between applying and when we could marry.

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