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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 14:57

LBZT...oh goodness no, I hear you totally, and am not being at all complacent, hence making sure son is thoroughly checked and everybody knows. I would love to see what OW could come up with as "harassment". I have contacted a police friend for advice on this so will see what she says. They will try anything, I appreciate that. The thing that bothers me is that H has no friends, no family, no one to guide him at all, hence he is a loose cannon and she is encouraging him. A dangerous combination indeed. What about her child too? Goodness, he is not my problem, but wow, what a situation to put him in so soon after losing his dad and she the nerve to criticize me?! I am standing, just, I have my days believe me. I will get through this though! :-) x

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Catkinsthecatinthehat · 04/04/2014 15:34

Mrs C, although you've informally asked a friend in the police for advice, maybe you should inform the liaison officer that they are apparently building a harassment case against you. It could be useful to have something logged via official channels, and if they are planning to contact the police about you again, you'll have got your side of the story in first.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 16:32

Cat...yes, I suspect that is what my friend will say actually. I will probably contact the PC who came here after the January incident as we now have a record of behaviour. I have also emailed the liaison officer, although to be fair he has no reason to listen to me...but it will at least be logged. He was pretty disgusted by all accounts. Thanks so much, so grateful for all advice thus far :-)

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oldgrandmama · 04/04/2014 16:39

YES, what Catkins said - get as much evidence built up as you can about how they've carried on and make sure it's known about and logged. The man and his ladylove (!)sound quite demented, to be honest.

Fluffycloudland77 · 04/04/2014 16:41

If he's lost his firearms licence does he own a gun still? Because if you lose the licence you have to sell them or they are illegally held.

If they are held illegally the police can confiscate them & you don't get any money for them at all.

The police would be VERY interested if he had held onto his gun.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 16:43

I'm with LZBT on being serious and 'gloomy' as this is war, it's serious. I'm not saying you are complacent but huffing and puffing won't do it. You have to get serious because this is serious. Like, really serious. 'How dare they!'s won't do it - in face, won't even touch it. As I said in my case I genuinely thought common sense would win out. It didn't occur to me that it wouldn't.

So knuckle down, get serious, get focused. Your life depends on it - though I'm sure you realise that.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 16:45

LBZT, I got you twizzled around.

Bogeyface · 04/04/2014 16:52

The comment about OW being demented sounds right to me.

In all seriousness, I think that this is some kind of extreme reaction to losing her DH. I dont know if STBXH was having an affair with her before her husband was killed (sorry if that was mentioned, I missed it if it was), but this sounds to me like she is desperate to have her husband back, but as she cant she is putting STBX in his place.

I wouldnt be at all surprised to hear that she has a total breakdown at some point because she isnt dealing with her grief she is just trying to replace her H with MrsC's. I have to say I am very concerned that someone with such obvious MH issues is involved with children (her own and the OPs), and if things did get nasty from their side re court etc, it is something I would be raising officially.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 18:04

Fluffycloudland...the guns were removed by the firearms unit after he received his caution, with no warning. They just go in in cases like this. So, he doesn't have them, they are in Police stores. He won't be able to "handle" them again but will be able to sell them. The email from OW above was because she thought I had rung SS and the firearms unit, but I hadn't the referral came from the police...it is automatic.

Springy...I promise, I am not being complacent, I will do all I can to protect myself. I understand that he had contacted the mediator this afternoon about organising our next session, a lot of these issues can be brought up. I am not looking forward to that...!

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TheSilveryPussycat · 04/04/2014 18:06

There is no time for courts to look into everything in detail. So they tend to go on written stuff (not reams of it, or you do look barking) and on the opinion of CAFCASS.

I know all this as a friend has been through it. The fact that her DS was playing upstairs with a half-sibling, instead of friend doing something one-to-one with DS, as friend was trying to do a kind of ordinary family life, was held against her. Her Ex, OTOH, could do a devoted father act with his only child (the DS lived with him, and he did his best to deny her contact.) (I'm sure he is devoted, but equally sure he didn't undermine friend to DS while CAFCASS were there, which from things DS came out with while I've been present, I'm pretty sure is the case). His devotion didn't stop him using DS as a weapon against my friend.

Of course, documenting everything, you will start with reams of it. The thing is to condense it without weakening your case. Sad

TheSilveryPussycat · 04/04/2014 18:09

*plus what both say in Family Court, of course. The fact that my friend couldn't help bursting into tears will have counted against her as well.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 18:10

It's a lawyer's job to condense it, or to pick out salient points. Your job is to record everything so a lawyer can pick out relevant bits.

re the OW - barking or not, she's been put up to it by ex, who has told her lurid tales. So far, so standard, I'm sorry to say. It was the same in my case. They load the gun and get someone else to pull the trigger so they look whiter than white - 'not me, guv'

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 18:11

Bogeyface...Honestly, I have no idea, did you read email above? It's not normal. I have found that mostly OW stay in the background, not this one! It's all "blame blame blame" and making me the target. My counsellor thinks she is using me as a target for her grief. It's interesting you say about affair before her husband's death, that has crossed my mind but I have found nothing to suggest this. I do think something was going on from about July (4 months post accident) although they both vehemently deny this and indeed the only real evidence I have found is from October, but his behaviour before suggests otherwise, but that's another story. I too am concerned about the children, bear in mind that all her businesses are child related too. I have to say, I would in some ways welcome them applying to the court because at least then I would get CAFCASS and a Court Welfare Officer....the thing is, she has a very malicious side, she has always flirted with my husband, my brother hasn't got a nice word to say about her and she worked for him for 3 years! God I hope this relationship fails, I can't bear an alternative. I could cope with my husband meeting somebody decent and not involved...anything else is unbearable :-(

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TheSilveryPussycat · 04/04/2014 18:13

Yes it is springy - but it all takes time - and this was billed against Legal Aid.

TheSilveryPussycat · 04/04/2014 18:15

Plus each thing he did, which she noted afterwards, looked so trivial - the death of a thousand cuts, well known on the EA thread.

LBZT · 04/04/2014 18:24

Do you have to go into mediation, couldn't you state that you feel that it could be used to bully you? Talking face to face anything could slip out and could be used against you. If possible can this be avoided. What if she has prepped him before hand and he goes in with an agenda to push you in a certain direction to trip yourself up. I would be so worried at this stage I would be avoiding any contact apart from through a solicitor.

Can I just say that I don't post to much on here because I get sooooo frustrated with not being able to spell the words I need to express myself, so I sit here and have to use google, my DS's or DH to help with my spelling.
It drives me round the bend that I can't just type away and it takes 10 times longer than should just to type a simple post hence why I avoid. But I had to on this thread that is how strongly I felt about saying my piece. I needed to tell you that I felt you are dealing with soemthing really serious and to be extra extra careful going forward. Please please be careful.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 18:30

As things stand, my H has only asked for 2 hours access on a Weds afternoon and all day Sat. He uses the residency thing as a tool to torture me with. Please bear in mind I have a brother who is paying my legal fees, I don't get any legal aid at all. I try to use my solicitor as little as possible and that is why we are going down the mediation route. For now I have all agencies involved as much as I can and I will continue with mediation and see where that takes us. I am holding onto the fact that my husband came to the home, assaulted me, got a caution, did all of that in front of son, uses illegal substances, has mental health issues, has behaved in the most outrageous way possible, cut us off financially, tried to make us lose our home, had his guns confiscated etc etc etc will demonstrate he is not a stable parent. I might be wrong though!

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 18:34

LBZT...you seem amazingly eloquent to me! I have to do mediation, the courts order it these days, they will only intervene if you can't sort things yourself. For my husband to make an application for custody it will cost £7,000 plus VAT and it could be a year or more before it is heard. IF he does this, it will not happen overnight. My solicitor and his have told us both that due to our perilous financial situation, mediation is the most effective solution, plus I don't actually have to face him if I don't want to, I can do shuttle mediation where we are seen separately, but I fail to see the point in this. The idea is to thrash things out face to face. The mediation is mainly to set down access arrangements, maintenance and sorting out the house etc. A custody application would be an entirely different thing.

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LBZT · 04/04/2014 18:46

Thank you mrsc for answering my post. I hope that you get everything you need out of mediation.
FWIW I agree with a pp that ow is likely heading towards a breakdown. I can see why you wouldn't want your DS near any of that.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 19:09

LBZT...do you know, it's funny, when I first found out it was her and she tried to drag me in with "being a support or someone to shout at", totally manipulative, I did think that there were worse people to be around my son, I actually now can't believe I thought that. I know that she adores her son, but her behaviour shows she has NEVER put him first in this. She moved in a man she thinks she knows, but doesn't, with a child who had just lost his father and is still undergoing bereavement counselling. That doesn't say a lot for her as a mother does it? She must know that in her heart. The fact that at this early stage, she is monitoring my H and he is deleting emails so she can't see them, doesn't say much for trust in that relationship does it? I have no idea if mediation will be successful, it may not be, but I will cross that bridge if/when I come to it. All I know is that I would like to get on with my life and neither of them will let me at the moment :-(

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Bogeyface · 04/04/2014 19:20

MrsC there is someone on another thread that has done shuttle mediation and the process worked well for her because it meant that she could avoid all the abuse that you have had in the session. Mediation failed because her ex, like yours, was (is) an utter cunt who wanted it all his way and kicked off big style when it became clear that that wasnt going to happen. But....she had done it, so when it goes to court it will not count against her because she tried. He was the one who refused to give the right information, refused to give his financial disclosure, refused any compromise etc She has a paper trail a mile long that proves that she asked nothing outrageous, and a equally long paper trail that proves he is living in cloud cuckoo land.

I am sure that your mediation will go the same way. He has no control over his life anymore, Fruitloop has seen to that, so he will try to control you and the divorce. Except that he cant because what he wants will not be seen as fair or equitable, in fact the harder he tries to force it the more unstable he will appear. So, mediation will fail, it will go to court and he will get very short shrift from the judge on the basis that he had no intention of ever trying to do things properly for all concerned.

The email is .... fucked up, further proof of her total detachment from reality. I just mentioned the MH bit in case it hadnt crossed your mind and it becomes an issue that you might need looking into for any court case etc. Certainly worth mentioning it to your solicitor so that it is already logged there, even if you dont want to mention it as part of the proceedings (which I wouldnt at this stage, it would just make things worse).

Any news on the sim card? Wink

AngelaDaviesHair · 04/04/2014 19:23

Don't dismiss shuttle mediation, it can be very good.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 19:42

Lawyers speed read - plus they'll give you a ballpark of the type of thing they are looking for. But yes, in my case, I did a lot of the legal donkey work - a bit like preparing an essay, you have to read (or in your case, write) and research a lot of stuff before you condense it all down. I was going to say that certain themes/truths may become obvious as you're writing things up... but that isn't necessarily the case as one can feel snowed under with it all and it's hard to see themes when you're emotionally scattered. Perhaps this is where a WA support worker would come in, to highlight themes to look out for amidst the endless dross that would be pertinent, encapsulating the whole onslaught of abuse.

I'm liking the sound of his general out-of-controlness MrsC. That's the ticket.

Shuttle mediation sounds ideal in that the mediator would present to him your proposals in a condensed and concise form. Which would take the pressure off you to have to hold in your emotions and speak like a robot.

LBZT · 04/04/2014 19:50

I know little about mediation but I do like the sound of shuttle mediation, because it will not give your H a chance to abuse or try and control you, plus he won't be able to feed off your reactions it reduces the whole affair to an emotionless/faceless transaction. On a brighter note I can only imagine it will give you more control and annoy the hell out of H. Thumbs up from me.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 19:50

Angela - I won't but would prefer face to face..mainly because he can't bloody look at me and knows he's a twat :-).

Bogey - The thing is, this is so utterly ridiculous. We've got a house with huge mortgage but a reasonable amount of equity (which he told me via text he was "signing over" to me in its' entirety - doh). He has signed over the car. There are no pensions, savings, investments (well a minor one of windfall shares that I have). He has left me on benefits, only has to pay a small amount of maintenance. HOWEVER, he has a business, the guns, she has to disclose, he has been doing "things" that make me believe he is hiding assets. He sold his van so he could drive round in dead husband's car...and I would like a settlement thanks, so we have to do this.

He is screwed if this relationship fails, she's got him by the balls and totally financially dependant, he's got nothing but the clothes on his back. I said to my friend Lavendar today...it's like Stephen King's "Misery", when he tries to escape, she'll tie him to the bed and cut off his feet!

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