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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 00:49

Gypsygirlfromlondon...thank you for your lovely post, I am so sorry that you have had to endure such an ordeal at the hands of your father. It does appear to be a universal problem and they have no idea of the devastation they wreak upon everybody and the shockwave effect on everybody else...long term damage too, to wives, kids, it's horrible. My H turned 42 last October. We had an awful year last year and he had a significant medical diagnosis that was life changing and to do with his "plumbing". The very many problems we have had with our son didn't help either. I guess "mid life crisis" is one way of putting it. It is unfortunate that he has hooked up with somebody so very damaged and malicious as they are just feeding off eachother. My H had a difficult childhood, has abandonment issues (father left), yet did same to son! Oh it goes on. He needs a psychiatrist, he really does. My counsellor has focussed a lot on his behaviour actually, which has been interesting. I don't suppose I will ever know, all I know is that he is not the man I married and has done things I didn't think he was capable of. It has broken me. Almost. Yet still I love him and miss him. Grieving for what I thought I had and the future I now won't have. Still, onwards and upwards. I wish I could keep OW away from my son, but I haven't a leg to stand on with this one unless she did something to hurt him. Very very difficult! I hope you're OK, you sound very sad. Sending hugs and strength back :-) x

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 00:57

I found this amazing link on another thread..says it all really...the "Romantic Infidelity" section is my husband to a "t"...it made me sad because it's all true...

www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/beyond-betrayal-life-after-infidelity

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springydaffs · 04/04/2014 09:31

I think you were probably right not to reply but please be very careful you get the truth officially documented somewhere, a rebuttal to the picture he is painting. I don't know if a short, factual email to him may suffice - so that there the truth is, in black and white. But you don't want to get into a slanging match - I'm not/yes you are: close him down with statements (if you have to).

You say that they have done everything in writing - is what they have written incriminating ie have they made their abuse absolutely clear? Have they written things that make it clear that eg he is not interested in your son? If so, you're laughing (iyswim - it is no laughing matter).

I say all this because I was in a similar position, in a way, and I didn't take the threat seriously, I assumed that decency etc would win out (particularly as what was happening was so outlandish). Well, it didn't win out; I wish I had taken the very real threat seriously, that I had seen it for what it was. Too late now.

You have to bear in mind EVIDENCE. What evidence is there that they are abusing you (and using your son as one avenue of abuse)? Think like a lawyer, crouch over evidence, make sure the truth is documented somehow.

LBZT · 04/04/2014 09:52

I agree with springydaffs cool calm and think like a lawyer.

These "marks" they refer to are worrying, they are trying to build a picture of neglect and poss abuse, you need to get back up here, professional back up. You mentioned up thread that at first your reactions were very emotional, do they have e-mails or anything that can imply that you are "unhinged"?

Reading your thread slightly scares me as it seems that the ow would go to any lengths to get what she wants and you shouldn't under estimate her. By the way I am glad you didn't meet her she would of twisted it to her advantage, remember she will lie lie lie and manipulate to get what she wants and I still think that is your son, sorry to be so blunt.

Hope you have a good day today and that this stressful time will soon be in your post.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 10:11

LBZT is right. I would never in a million (zillion!) years have thought that ex's new wife would win in her open and blatant bid for my kids, effectively erasing me from the picture. But she did. I wish someone was around at the time to sound the klaxon that she was a real threat (backed by ex).

LBZT · 04/04/2014 10:19

oh springydaffs how awful for you. Do you see your kids?
That is such a terrible thing to endure I don't think I have the words here, bless you for using what has happened to try and help someone else.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 11:07

Not at the moment - but I live in hope! I don't mean to hijack MrsC but I do want you to open your eyes to what they are doing and that they could represent a very real threat. EVIDENCE is key. Get any and every agency on board in order to get solid evidence established, sooner rather than later. Are you in close contact with Womens Aid? Please DO get them fully on board - they are a powerful resource. Get a WA support worker on your case as soon as.

LavenderGreen14 · 04/04/2014 12:08

Springy - that is so terrible. Am so sorry, I don't really know what to say. I really hope you get them back. Thanks

you are so very wise - is just so heartbreaking you are speaking from such bitter experience. The OW tried to discredit and erase me too - my child is much older so told them to sod off, but am sure if younger I would have fought the same battle.

handfulofcottonbuds · 04/04/2014 12:49

springy - you have helped me so much, I'm so sorry to hear what happened. Don't want to hijack mrsc's thread but Thanks

mrsc - hope you're okay today? So much wise advice on here and I know you are taking it all in.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 12:49

Thanks. These two were the slithering around sort - they weren't obviously abusive (and they were very rich so had the power to get what they wanted. The devil does indeed wear a suit.).

Anyway, let's get back to the plan: MrsC, as I said upthread, it looks like these two have been obvious - look over all correspondence with the eagle eye of a lawyer and dissect what they've written but ALSO what you've written: could any of what you've written be misconstrued legally? If so, start addressing it now - not obviously, of course, but tie off loose ends ie don't address any anomolies openly ('I shoudn't have said that, I didn't mean it') but find a way to write something new that reflects your true, strong position. Stick to statements, moreorless, and don't enter into dialogue. Actions fully backing up any statements you make, of course.

Re the emotional abuse: never has the phrase 'disengage' been more appropriate than in this case. If you disengage from the emotional abuse BY NOT RESPONDING EMOTIONALLY it will bring the whole thing to a juddering halt. Of course he will try to stick pins in you - and he'll know how to do it, as he knows you - but don't respond (at least not to him/her - what you do privately is another matter!). He/they will up their game (or at least their true intent will become apparent... and it looks like it already is) but stay steady, get the big guns firmly on your side.

springydaffs · 04/04/2014 12:57

And keep a detailed diary!

Write up all past events to the best of your ability - a gruelling task but needs must. Then keep current events up to date as and when they happen.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 13:05

Springy I am going to PM you. What a dreadful state of affairs. What I will say is that the nonsense I have had from my H and the OW say everything about their states of mind and less about my capabilities as a parent. In a minute, I will post up an example. I have today arranged for my son to have a full check up with our GP which is happening on Monday. I have also arranged for the Health Visitor to come out. Have rung all agencies regarding post etc in relation to son. I have spoken to the Nursery manager this morning who is right behind me. I have MANY people available to testify on my behalf, even H's parents. Indeed I sent very many emails at the beginning that were very emotional and one where I said I wanted to die!!! I didn't, I was just doubled up in pain. H then suggested that "they" take DS until I "sorted myself out", obviously that never happened, I would never have let it. I think it would be obvious to anybody that my reactions were grief and loss. I can't see anything else to be honest. Bear in mind my husband received a caution for violence and had his firearms removed as a result of that...I also once emailed him to tell him about son's epilepsy tests and he emailed back basically alluding to suicide if I "took his son away". Really, you'd have to read it all to believe it. Let alone the ones for her going about her dead husband and her son, all while living with my husband...it goes on. I have a lot to produce if necessary. The main thing for me has been the huge difference in my son's behaviour since his father left, something noted by everybody. He now sleeps through, he is calmer, a much happier soul. The main damage being when my H walks away after access and I am left to clear up the distress. So, I will post further in a moment..

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BitsinTatters · 04/04/2014 13:08

Wow mrsC they sound like a right pair of cunts.

Really sorry for you and your children.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE · 04/04/2014 13:10

Hi MrsC. Firstly I just want to say how sorry I am that you are going through this. Your H is an absolute twat of the highest order! I am in awe of your restraint and ability to keep on going. And you will keep on going. It is evident that you are strong, capable woman, with a deep love for your children and what is best for them.

I dare say that it won't be long until your H realises that he has fucked up massively and that life with OW is actually pretty shitty.

It astounds me how much people can change in such a small space of time, but stay strong and keep doing what you are doing. One day, hopefully soon, the stress and drama will dissipate and you will continue with your life the way you want it Smile

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 13:17

Thank you BitsinTatters and puds, I so appreciate support and comments! Do you know, I have always hated the "C" word but it is now my favourite. There is no better description!

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 13:24

Right, this is the sort of thing I have had to deal with. An example. Due to incident at home resulting in H's caution, SS only allowed contact at a centre until they were satisfied that DS was in no danger. DS witnessed the entire incident and was VERY distressed afterwards. After 1st contact centre visit, I was extremely upset and emailed my H (which I accept I shouldn't have done and I did tell my solicitor) blaming them both for putting DS in that position, called her a bitch, called him an arse, said I felt sorry for her son living with them, I was in tears and upset. Said that I couldn't believe that a woman who's son had lost his own father could inflict such pain on another child...that touched a nerve and I got this :

I warned you to leave me alone. I will not put up with your juvenile shit and name calling any longer.

STBXH left you because you are clearly a nutcase. A delusional, fucked up, horrible no mark.

We started a relationship after you had driven him away. If you were so great and he had it so good, why did he leave? I have your admission by email that you were at fault for the breakdown, yet now you want to kid people it was my doing!

Do not presume to be so self righteous as to feel sorry for my son.

You caused your husband to leave. You cause your son the distress of when and where he sees his father. STBXH offered other options to see DS, but you and you alone, insisted on the contact centre. You portray yourself as the victim, yet so many are now so bored of your pitiful bleating; clearly they can all see through you.

Pitifully, this is a game to you. You are the worst excuse for a caring, loving mother I have ever come across. You never put DS first. You only want revenge and spare no consideration for him. You sad fuck!

We know the truth, deep down you do too, but it suits you to try to be seen as the wounded one.

I offered STBXH a safe and secure place to bring DS, you can't see that. You just judge me by your own standards, two kids by different dads, Facebook, Twitter and no doubt some Jeremy Kyle for good measure!

I have passed your slanderous remarks to her family liaison officer as you have given me no option but to bring your bullying to a halt.

You could stop this, but you are obviously too vindictive to see reason.

So, you can see what a vile individual this woman is. Talk about reflecting! This did backfire somewhat. Turned out H had given her a completely distorted version of events of the "assault" and hence she reacted like this. They are not even being honest with eachother, let alone how they have behaved towards me and the children.

I have a lot of stuff similar to this. Foolish eh?

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LBZT · 04/04/2014 13:34

The MN mantra of Detach Detach Detach has never been more needed.

How are you going to cover yourself with regards to previous e-mails sent by you?

Also your H making refernce to wanting to kill himself if you took son from him, did you ever e-mail text this to him or say it to him...he could use this against you.

I don't want to sound harsh but your reactions are to emotional and in order to ensure the best for your son you have to cool off several degrees and think with your head not your heart. See the whole thing from a legal stance every word every action by you they are watching and accessing and trying to work out where their advantage is, just remeber that.

Take Care

growingolddicustingly · 04/04/2014 13:37

Oh MrsC aren't they a delightful pair? And isn't life grand that they have found each other to cling to against the rest of the world. Rise above it all, don't respond and record, record, record. It's hard to have a fight if there is no push back an it will make them mad. Mad people let their guard down and do and say stupid things that will come back to bite them on the bum.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 13:38

LBZT that is what I am now doing.

I can't cover myself at all, that's not possible. There were a lot of emotional and sad emails and texts, with a lot of cruel and nasty responses. Not least more shit from her.

I don't understand how H's message to me alluding to suicide could be used against me? It was ridiculous. My message was a clear statement of what had happened that day, the tests and when the results were coming through. He came back with some rambling drunken diatribe. It says more about him that it does on me.

I just keep everything on a level now. That's it. If they apply to the court for custody of my son, they would lose. My solicitor has said so as have my SS friends who work in Child Protection. Even my H's solicitor has told him he has barely any chance of success. Oh, I also have proof that my husband was buying illegal anabolic steriods and self-injecting, something that changed his personality completely...

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 13:41

growingolddicsutingly...I did respond to that email saying clearly "please stop, I will not dignify your comments and you are not helping the situation". To which she replied "dignify this, fuck off you delusional prick". For somebody who thinks she has the moral high ground, she has the most appalling manners!

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growingolddicustingly · 04/04/2014 13:51

See MrsC how a rational response from you winds OW up so tight that she puts her foot right in it. I hope you have kept her response along with all your other evidence. LBZT is right you have to detach emotionally (bloody hard I know when injustices are thrown at you all the time). Your mantra should be "Cool, calm and classy" - something you have proved to be throughout so far with the odd, very understandable, wobble.

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 13:57

growingolddicustingly....Indeed. She really is a fool. Mind you, H has got himself into a right situation there hasn't he?! I keep EVERYTHING. All her emails went to HER police liaison officer. He was disgusted. I'll bet she was horrified, trying to get me into trouble and then realising she has been shown up to be the adulterous nasty cow she is to the officer who has supported her since her husband was killed. Picked on wrong wife this time, I'm telling you!

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springydaffs · 04/04/2014 14:12

It's not 'foolish' though, and it's not 'nonsense'. It is serious stuff, please don't dismiss it as though your contempt would have legal clout.

All together now, let's all kneel down and thank God that ex no longer has his firearms license

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 14:23

I guess so Springy - would you want somebody like that around your child? You can see my issue here. My solicitor has seen the emails but said just ignore and don't engage...much the same as here really! I agree re : firearms. I wasn't the only one interviewed actually...it wasn't my fault at all, it was his, referral from police, but still they blame me!

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LBZT · 04/04/2014 14:43

sorry mrsc I don't know how they could use it against you but I think that for your sake you have to assume that they will if they can. I wouldn't trust them at all and that includes giving them the benefit of the doubt that they won't. I think that you need to be prepared for anything. If they are this brazen you can't assume they won't go after your son and that could include them lying through their teeth to gain their adjective. Courts make mistakes sad fact of life but true.

I really hope that none of this happens to you but everything that has gone before it would be unwise to assume you are on safe ground.

I also say this because your H told you ow was building a case of harresment against you and you dismissed it as not possible. I think you need to take that seriously. They are liars and will go to any lengths or means to get what they want. You really need to be prepared cover your back anyway you can. They see this as war they don't care about you and honestly they don't care about your son because otherwise they would do anything to make this co parenting work for the sake of your son. Bottom line they are not and I think they are playing to win.

My posts sound so gloomy... sorry I want to aim for more upbeat to encourage you not to discourage you because it's clear you have been through the mill and are still standing. I can only admire that I'm not sure if I was in your place if they could even scrap me off the floor.

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