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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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izziewizzie · 01/04/2014 08:39

The "interest" won't last.
My ex overslept on the day dd had a huge operation. He was over four hours late (I had stayed at the GOSH hotel) and icouldnt believe he had done that.
Fast forward to us being split up 6 months later (he was still living with us then) and he insisted oncoming with us to a minor operation. This involved an excruciating trip up to London, him making a big show of what a great dad he was, studying the consent forms and insisting "he must sign them" etc etc
Then on the way home I had a bit of an emotional breakdown I think, and as soon as we got in he left me on my own with dd (14 months at the time) and went off out to see OW.
By that point there was nothing to prove to anyone, he had been a Good Dad in front of people.
A few weeks later he left, nearly 5years later he hasn't seen her again.
It's all show, so everyone can see just how great they are.
Just shows them as more of a dick head than they were really....

springydaffs · 02/04/2014 00:04

I've said this before on here but ime I asked ex for the opposite of what I wanted - so, if I wanted him early for pickup I asked him if he could come a bit later; late, early etc. Worked every time.

Imo he's suddenly on the scene because you have shut the shutters on his big party - the emotionally torture MrsC party - and he wants to find out what is going on. He's not going to let his sport go easily so he goes for the jugular: the kids = direct route to a mother's heart. (I appreciate this sounds far-fetched. I wish it were.)

You could alert the hospital about the situation, explaining that you are being abused by ds's father and that he is using ds to do it, that you are separated, and that you don't want him at the appointment, mainly because you know it will be very difficult for ds. They will face this scenario on a regular basis I expect and will have strategies to deal with it eg changing the appointment time/date. (It will also be on record for any future legal hearings).

and/or - and it's a risky strategy: you could gush that you are delighted H is coming to the appointment and you look forward to going through this together as a family. Chances are he won't come if he thinks it is important to you (see first para).

springydaffs · 02/04/2014 00:06

btw well done for being cool and factual - it's not easy, as you say. I love the mafia model!

MrsC1969HJ · 02/04/2014 00:28

Springy amazing as usual! I have so many posts to reply to yet have had no time this evening. Goodness, when I update you on today's shenanigans......will do my level best to do this in the morning...your quote Springy, "he's suddenly on the scene because you have shut the shutters"...couldn't have rung more true. However, there are other more scary issues and I will post asap, but for now I have to got to bed. Thank you all, once more, for being amazing, I feel so lucky for such great support :-) x

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handfulofcottonbuds · 02/04/2014 00:35

I hope the hospital appointment goes well for your DS Thanks

handfulofcottonbuds · 02/04/2014 18:25

How did the appointment go mrsc?

Is your DS okay?

MrsC1969HJ · 02/04/2014 22:36

UPDATE. Thank you everybody, especially you handful for remembering appointment. As so much has happened and I have so taken ALL your fabulous advice, I am just going to say what has occurred over the past few days. Firstly, appointment was fine apart from H actually turning up (!). I did you all proud, ignored him, looked hot and remained dignified. He did a HUGE show of being "daddy", made a big old thing of texting OW with big wide smiles and giggles, then showing DS videos he'd taken of him at "Daddy & OW'S" house "oh look at you with your big tractor" (that belongs to OW's son). Son then started to ask where "Granddad" was, to which H replied, "oh he's at school picking up X" to which I responded "Granddad is at home with Nanna and dog". Quite clear to me that he is ignoring undertaking via solicitor to keep DS away from "new" family. Son then asked when they could go and see OW!! WTF?! I kept nerve but said "not today". Was crying inside. So, son might need glasses, but hasn't got Horner's Syndrome, return in 6 months. "Daddy" then said "see you Saturday" and fucked off, leaving me to pick up the screaming child off the floor and comfort him for the next hour.

Anyway, before this. I have been receiving little post. Found out yesterday that husband has set up redirection to his and OW's address. So all statementing stuff for son and mortgage stuff has been going there!!! Made complaint to Post Office...ongoing. Am bloody livid. H laughed in my face and put his finger up to mouth going "hush hush" when I had a go at him, fucking arsehole. I did indeed lose my "detached and cool" mode at that point.

However, later in the evening I received this pitiful email, he has lost his firearms license...oh well, read as follows :

We created a very special person , I wish we could just be normal around him , you may say it will never be normal but as much as you keep trying to hurt me , the only thing that it effects is him . Not looking for a response really past caring we have caused each other so much stress plus my guns are not to return and for what ? The only time you will be happy is when I am dead

Please excuse grammar, not mine!

I didn't respond, hope you're all proud, despite wanting to rant back about how the fuck was this all my fault, I just ignored.

Then today, amazing stuff. We have mutual friends. Found out that husband has an "allowance" each week, doesn't need to seek more work (building contractor), she gives him a list to do around the house each day which includes mucking out her horse and putting him in the paddock. He is allowed out for 2 hours on a Friday for a beer. She has hooked up her i-phone to his so she can read text messages, which now explains why he told me that I could only email him and he had "blocked" me on text. According to friend who went to OW's house to help husband, she is awful, ugly and he cannot understand what H sees in her money. She also towers over H as she is 6ft and he is not :-). She is controlling him, he is complaining about feeling a "bit controlled". She apparently has a HUGE issue with me and is trying to relieve me of my son so I can fuck off and let them be one big happy family! So, where is this going to go do you think?!

I am not going to even start on my medium sister in law....oh happy days ahead :-).

Am still going down the road of detached and bored despite the other day when I found out about the post! He doesn't like it!! xxxx

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handfulofcottonbuds · 02/04/2014 22:48

Wow!

On the redirected mail thing. I made my STBXH do that but anything in joint names still comes to the marital home, for example the mortgage statement. Are your DS's letters in your H's sole name? If not then you have a very good case against the post office.

If OW is controlling over him then 1) it's not surprising as she knows that he's capable of straying and 2) it may be why he's trying to control you in return, to regain some sort of twisted macho power.

I'm glad the appointment went well for your DS on the health side. How cruel of your H to go through photos, texts etc while the day was about your son! Shows him for the shallow, insecure little man he is.

Stay strong, you're doing great x

handfulofcottonbuds · 02/04/2014 22:49

Oh and stay detached etc for your benefit, not for his and how he might react or how it might affect him.

When I was seeing my stbxh on the rare occasion, I made sure I looked fabulous too - but for me, not him, not to show him what he was missing - it was my mask.

TheSilveryPussycat · 02/04/2014 23:45

What cottonbuds says about post addressed to you both.

And IIRC you should have had a letter from the PO explaining that redirection for some mail has been implemented. (I have been through this when Ex finally moved out)

It is hard to see DS so hurt. But so long as he has you he will be alright. (not from personal experience, but from the Emotional Abuse thread's collective wisdom)

AcrossthePond55 · 03/04/2014 00:52

mrsC, i have to keep this short. i broke my wrist and am as doped up as f**k.

You are lovely. He is a schmuck.

you will emerge from this all flags flying, he will go down in flames.

glad you got a glimpse into his real life with OW. Doesn't sound quite as rosy as he's painting it, does it?Grin

MrsC1969HJ · 03/04/2014 09:37

Thank you ladies! I am going to write a formal complaint to the Post Office as jointly named mail is NOT coming here as it should, it is going to OW's house. I did not get a letter informing me of redirection and I actually have no idea how long this has been going on but presume since he left the house.

I have had an awful night's sleep, things milling through my head. I am so angry that despite a written undertaking from H's solicitor, he is clearly still allowing my DS to mix with OW and her family. It is outrageous. I want to kill them both. I cannot understand why the parents of OW are encouraging my son to address them as "Grandma and Granddad", it is not only insulting to DS's own grandparents but confusing for him too.

Also, and some advice needed. OW has hooked up her phone to H's so that she can monitor his texts. He then told me that I was "blocked" and could only email. I presume this is so that she doesn't think we have any contact. It also means he can threaten me with all sorts, do things like cancel the car insurance and she will be none the wiser. How insecure is she? It also leaves her blind to what a prick H actually is. However, my issue is that I cannot contact my H on his mobile and think this is unacceptable when he has DS in his care. If I am out, I have no way of contacting him as I do not have an email facility on my phone so if there was an emergency my hands would be tied. What a dick he is.

AcrossthePond...bless you, I hope you feel better soon, what a horrible thing to happen, I broke my arm as a child and it's just nasty. Rest up and get well! Indeed he is a schmuck and it is quite heartening that things are not as fabulous as he wishes me to believe. I'll bet he's out mucking out that horse as we speak :-)

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saffronwblue · 03/04/2014 10:06

Wow I have just read the whole thread and my heart goes out to you. He has got himself in very deep and I love to think of her bellowing at him to muck out the horses. I imagine his whole set up will fall apart very soon.
Just keep going day by day, you sound like a lovely mum. How is your DD going?

MrsC1969HJ · 03/04/2014 10:16

Saffronwblue...thank you for your lovely message. What a mess this truly is. One day at a time definitely...I will be OK in the end I know, but so tough to deal with. My DD is away in Germany on a school trip at the moment but otherwise fine I think...she is a pain though, 15, it's that age isn't it?! :-)

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LBZT · 03/04/2014 10:31

mrs c this is my first comment on your thread but I really wanted to share my thoughts pls feel free to ignore them if you think they have no merit.

Firstly what I can see is ow wants your h and is insecure i think she believes that if she has your son she has your h...this is motive for what i will explain below.

my thoughts were why redirect mail what purpose is there for doing that etc, the only thing i could come up with is that he had to have a reason for getting your sons medical letters.

The reason i think is this benefits them in that they will show up in court in a few months time claiming you can't cope with son and his medical history etc. They will show the courts that all medical stuff for him has been going to them I would also bet that they start to change appointments and take him themselves showing you as being not as interested a parent. I know I sound paranoid here but think about it. Is this possible??

I don't understand why any medical stuff is in joint names you are the resident parent all the clinics gp speech and language etc should all be addressed to you and only you. Can you get onto these depts explain H is no longer living there and get all correspondance in your name only.
Also I think you need to be v careful about what you are saying about h or ow to anyone espically his family...blood is thicker than water and all that. I am worried that it may bite you at a later date.

Re the phone and no contact you need legal advice on this.

I hope my post doesn't sound too crazy but you can't trust their motives and redirecting the mail had to have a purpose.

By the way you are amazing to keep going through all this it must be truly awful. Keep going and pls excuse my spelling I am v dyslexic.

MrsC1969HJ · 03/04/2014 10:58

LBZT - thank you for your post, all opinions welcomed!! When H left, he redirected post to the place he said he was living (a friend's house) except this was to put me off scent. Now I know he is living with OW I believe he has set up a second redirection, however, I believe that the fact he has received some mail is the fault of the PO as they should send jointly named mail only to the marital home. This is being dealt with. I am currently contacting all agencies involved in son's statementing to ensure only I receive mail. As his main carer and resident parent, I don't believe they will be able to change appointments or take him but I will check this. Indeed they could take me to court but would have to prove I couldn't cope, which is not the case. My husband has only just started taking an interest and hasn't attended any other appointments so this could be easily proved. I know they are definitely up to something!

I have no worries about his family. He has been disowned entirely and he has no contact with them. They have all supported me 100% and continue to do so. I am really lucky in that regard.

Thanks so much, and post was fine despite dyslexia :-)

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springydaffs · 03/04/2014 23:13

Then get everything down in writing, get as much evidence from agencies as possible, doubly and triply (iyswim) so he has no means of successfully making false allegations, twisting the truth.

re the email from him - well done for not replying but there must be some response registered somewhere: you must get your side across, you can't let the allegations he is making lie.

I think LZBT is right that they are cooking something - so, with that in mind, get the true facts documented (repeats self, but necessary I think!)

I've never heard such a nasty story tbh - which is saying something as I've been around domestic abuse circles for decades. My mind boggles at what you've endured so far ((hug))

springydaffs · 03/04/2014 23:17

To that end, and sorry if I'm repeating what someone else may have suggested, do keep a detailed diary or events, dates, your truth about said events etc. It is apparently potent evidence legally, I assume because it's close documentation of events and 'fresh' ie written at the time.

ohldoneedtogetagrip · 03/04/2014 23:29

MrsC you really could have some fun with the hooked up iphone (that you don't know is hooked up IFKWIM Wink).
eg...
A spare mobile --text to his number from Miss X thanking him for the drink he bought her and yes she would like to meet up again next week (at a time he was allowed out to play)
or
a text to him from you--saying this is my new number, please stop harrassing me, l don't want you back you made your choice now you have to live with it. Leave me alone....

so many more things you could say.....

MrsC1969HJ · 03/04/2014 23:52

Ohldoneedtogetagrip....LOL, have had that exact conversation on another thread tonight...good God, that would rock the boat. She is so paranoid and jealous...and so she should be. I am much better than her in every way :-) reminds self he left me for her....:-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 00:02

Springdaffs...That you for your usual insightful post...but need some clarification here. Should I have responded to that email? I didn't because it was all self-pitying claptrap and full of the usual "blame game" rubbish. I should say that everything, absolutely everything these two have done has been in writing or via text. They are quite stupid like that. He has shown zero interest in son's appointments and in fact a couple of months ago when I had to take son to have epilepsy tests (a feat in itself, was awful), he refused to give me my new tax disc and wrote to me to say I could not drive the car. Who does that? This recent interest in health issues is new. Yesterday he didn't have a clue what that appointment was about and didn't even ask, I had had 6 previous appointments before that one, none of which he attended! I am going to make an appointment with our Health Visitor and get son checked over by GP as H sent me an email the other day suggesting that he has a lot of "marks"...I said indeed he does, he's 3, he has no skin on his knees either. The same GP had to give evidence to the firearms unit about my husband (licence now withdrawn) so I think he will back me up entirely, he knows us well and our history. The nursery are aware of the situation and back me up 100%. I will not be intimidated by these two idiots. They are clearly completely deluded...their set up is not normal at all and I think I have enough back up from absolutely bloody everybody if they tried anything. God what a bloody mess this is. ALL could have been avoided if they had held their hands up at the beginning rather than create this huge uncontrollable monster....

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Bogeyface · 04/04/2014 00:24

I rather thing that OhIDont is on to a good idea here Wink

:)

Bogeyface · 04/04/2014 00:24

think not thing!

gypsygirlfromlondon · 04/04/2014 00:39

Mrs C- I am so very sorry for your situation and am hoping that you can continue to be strong for you and your son.

For what it's worth and I could be completely wrong , so please forgive me and put me straight here if so, but how old is you husband?

When I was about 23, my father had a what I can only describe as a real breakdown or true 'mid life crisis' in his early 50's.

He had always had short affairs but this was different. He openly had a affair in front of my mother for 3 years with a lawyer who gave me one of her horses when I was 18 ( I did nor realise they were having an affair at the time)

He then divorced my mother a year later ( after 33 years of marriage) telling my mum he didn't want to leave her but wanted both women in his life and loved the OW as well.

He then squandered all his money, made very poor business decisions and bankrupted the family business. To this day we have no money as we lost everything.

He 'divorced' me too after my mother refused to accept his demands for a mistress. He has no contact with my 3 young children or shows any interest in my life at all although he came to my wedding. I am his only child. He met yet another woman during the divorce and now lives with her although after 15 years has still not married her to my knowledge.

My point is, that so you think your husband could have be going through a midlife crisis- I mean a real one like my father which leads to devastating consequences? He used to tell me he could see crucifixes moving and had visions of his dead mother who abandoned him at birth.

I have not read every post but his behaviour reminds me of my father's.
All the recriminations, the attack, the financial threats, the nastiness.

My mother said that my father was a completely different man when she met him off a train one day after a visit to friends. He spoke differently, acted strangely and attacked my mother verbally and psychologically. He tried to deny her any financial settlement and blamed her for his unhappiness.

Could this account for you not seeing this coming? I am now estranged from my dad after having a very close bond with him all through my childhood.

It was as if a light just switched off in his mind and we were strangers- have been now for 20 years as I am in my early 40's.

Sorry to talk about myself.I don't mean to but just to let you know you are not alone. Your situation is very hard and you must try to be so brave to get through this, which you can do!

Whatever you do- please consider cutting out that other woman from you and your son's life.

I agree, show no emotion to their cruelty. Calm, professional, barrier them both off. Keep very centred and focused on you and your family's future Smile

Your husband is using her as ammunition against you.

Sending you hugs and strength Flowers Brew

MrsC1969HJ · 04/04/2014 00:44

Bogey..you know it!! ;-)

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