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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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MrsC1969HJ · 25/03/2014 00:06

AcrossthePond55...exactly what I am expecting...I think she will be all defensive, she has that kind of attitude anyway, I am fine with that, but she can do it to my face and not with shitty emails. I am not a confrontational person actually, although I will stand up for myself, but I believe I can remain calm and rational. Thank you for your excellent advice...I consider myself warned...and will think on :-)

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SnookyPooky · 25/03/2014 07:49

Just read the whole thread, what a pair of twats.
Please, for your own sanity do not meet with this woman. It's not going to help and you have come so far in a short time in horrific circumstances. You have the moral high ground, stay dignified.

mistlethrush · 25/03/2014 09:44

I wouldn't meet her - whilst you might feel that you might get a degree of closure on some aspects I think that it will give her further opportunities to know where to hit to make it hurt most, and you will not get any truths from her - and she won't listen to you either.

mrstigs · 25/03/2014 12:02

Hi. I don't have any advice for you really, just wanted to say I've just read your thread for the first time and I'm struck by how strong you are. Your husband had behaved appallingly, and I'm sure one day he will realise what a bastard he has been. And even if he stays in denial forever you will still move on and leave him in the dust where he belongs. I'm rooting for you over here. Smile

Ps, personally I'd say that asking to meet her would just allow the deluded idiots to feed their 'psycho aggressive ex who can't move on' fantasy, and you have no chance of making people that invested in making you the bad guy feel any guilt or acceptance of what they did. But I've not been in your position so that's just a gut feeling as an outsider. Just make sure if you do its entirely for your benefit and not to try and make them feel anything. You can only succeed in targets you set for yourself, try and force expectations on others and you are set to fail. Step carefully.

CookieDoughKid · 25/03/2014 13:35

You need to detangle what you want from meeting her vs what is realistically going to happen and achieve.

What's in it for the OW to meet you first of all? And why do you think the OW is going to want to LISTEN and comprehend anything you are saying? What's so compelling for her to listen to you given that she has 'got' your man? Does she give 2 shits about you? No.

Given the above, I think your efforts are going to be wasted.

Their entire relationship is based on lies and seeded through a devious scam. Their entire relationship is now nothing to do with you. Other than it's relationship to you via your son and your divorce.

Painful as it is, clearly your husband doesn't really give a fck about you or your son any longer. My only guidance would be to begin to live your life and mend the pieces. I actually bet you can move on far quicker than you think. You'll look back and think thank god you got out when you did rather than waste another moment on the fcker.

Excuse the French but everything they are doing is just bullshit and paying lipservice. Fight your corner, fight for your son and fight to live a good life that doesn't needlessy involve them any more. Keen the shit out your door is what I say and let your lawyer defend you.

CookieDoughKid · 25/03/2014 13:42

FYI - I have a good friend who's 20 year marriage went down the pipe after he decided not to forgive his wife from her second affair. Despite evidence, despite MEETING the other man, despite their divorce being granted on the grounds of adultery and legally recognised IN COURT his wife HAD AN AFFAIR. The stupid wife till this day will not FULLY acknowledge she had an affair and continuously puts blame on my friend for their marriage breakdown. I can vouch he was a kind man, and no alledged wife beating behind closed doors. I'm not in any way able to comment on their state of marriage but I am able to comment on her denial - which is the point I want to put here.

I mean, for FS, how much denial do you have to be when 20 years of my friend's marriage is down the toilet, the large marital home is now sold, for tiny apartments and their 4 kids have suffered. And she is STILL in denial.

So I'm saying, really, what are you going to get out of this when I think the chances of the OW and your ex being in denial is really high.

BrokenDownstairs · 25/03/2014 14:42

I am not at all wise or experienced but I had to post as this is one of the worst stories I have read in a long time. Just wanted to wish you well and say you sound like an amazing mother. Listen to the wise words you hear here and I pray he gets what he deserves xx

Pudtat · 25/03/2014 19:56

Fwiw I don't think meeting would give you closure. I think you are still tangled up in the emotions of 'loving him' - and I think you need to think about that, you love what you (thought you) had, but if he turned around tomorrow and said it's all been a mistake would you take him back? Didn't think so. So you need to acknowledge what and who he is now. She is nothing to you, it doesn't matter whether she's 'moved on too quick' and rebounding from her husbands death, old and menopausal or the ultimate cougar, the only reason you have to give a shiny sh*t about her is because she has contact with your son. Would meeting her really be only about that? Saying anything which might make you feel better plays into their hands as others have said and saying anything else is pretty much pointless as she won't listen to a word you say.

Focus on now. Who he is now. Who you are now and can be in future. Fight for what you're owed for you and your son and make a life much better.

People can't make you feel anything. You decide how you react to them. Don't give her any more headspace.

Wine But not too much!

FushandChups · 25/03/2014 21:37

I totally get it but please don't meet with the OW.

Cheesy but true:
Your Ex is the one who wrecked your relationship and yes, she should know better and yes, she has turned into a completely horrific person towards you for no good reason but it is HIM that deserves all your ire, HIM whose behaviour is lower than low and HIM that should be the one giving you the answers you crave (not that he will)..

Its taken me a while to get to this point myself but she is irrelevant in the big scheme of things really - if he had been halfway decent in the first place, you wouldn't be where you are and whilst he is professing her to be the love of his life, best thing ever, destiny (boak), his past pretty much proves that its any port in a storm and she could be anyone.

That probably comes over very harsh as you obviously have a past together, but blaming her for his behaviour is not healthy really.

Big hugs though - he sounds like a complete cunt Thanks

oldgrandmama · 26/03/2014 19:13

Please, DON'T MEET HER! I've sent you another PM.

Bogeyface · 26/03/2014 19:49

This woman has already harassed you and clearly has repainted history in order to justify what she and he have done. Meeting you will just give her more ammunition and will probably make things worse.

You can not control anything that either of them do, and you would be foolish to try. I know that it is natural to want to try and sort things out, but you are coming at this from the POV of a normal person, she is fucked up so anything you say will be deliberately twisted to fit their agenda.

Save yourself from yet more hurt, please dont meet her.

handfulofcottonbuds · 26/03/2014 21:50

oldgrandmama always talks a lot of sense mrsc.

Hope you're okay today, you're doing so well, please use that strength for yourself.

springydaffs · 26/03/2014 23:13

Lovely, I am appalled that you are considering meeting her. she is as ignorant as fuck, a hag. Why would you want to meet her?

yy I get it that you want to appeal to her 'better nature' - but, please, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. she has behaved unbelievably badly all round, why do you expect her to change? She won't change, she has far too much invested in keeping things as they are, or worse: you do realise that slagging you off and painting you as the hag is the fuel in this hideous 'relationship'? She has absolutely no intention of climbing down or being decent in any shape or form.

So to talk to her is to walk right into the mouth of a lion. She has fully advertised exactly what she is and what she's up to - please listen to her and step far, far away.

DON'T read her emails. You know what's going to be in them, don't read them, or you'll be feeding on toxic shit - why would you want a diet of that? DON'T talk to her - or talk to him, for that matter. Why are you still in dialogue, or intereracting, with this heinous man? Cut all contact except what is absolutely necessary (ie legal) - and even then keep it as monosyllabic as possible. They are feeding off your distress, cut their supply.

They are sick, sick people. Keep away from them. Go no contact as of immediately. It's the only way to sanity. You have to be as steady as possible for your kids - feeding on this radioactive poison is not going to be healthy for you, which won't be healthy for them.

I appreciate you have a lot of practicalities to sort out and that contact of a sort is, unfortunately, necessary - but find a way to do it while leaving your heart and emotions firmly elsewhere. You have the tremendous gift [iyswim!] of their open and public abuse: there it is in black and white, no question, no grey areas, no possible alternative interpretation, pure abuse. In many ways you are 'lucky' that it is all so clearly spelt out - most abusers are subtle and slip about like mercury. Not your dolt of an ex! And his hag of a hook-up.

I feel for you, don't think I don't. What you have gone through is savage beyond belief - but do everything you can to STOP it right now, or to minimise it to the best of your ability, by cutting them off immediately and allowing the appropriate channels and process do their work in the fullness of time.

MrsC1969HJ · 26/03/2014 23:18

Everybody, I have been up to my neck in it and just wanted to say a HUGE thank you for all the posts which I intend to respond to in the next day or two. I cannot tell you what it means to me (and that includes inbox messages of huge support). Thank you all so much. Springdaffs...that was an amazing post, thank you. You're all marvellous :-) x

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handfulofcottonbuds · 26/03/2014 23:33

springy has helped me so much too.

mrsc - there are lots of people here to support you. Hope this week is getting a little better for you x

AcrossthePond55 · 27/03/2014 02:58

Wow, Mrs C, Springdaffs has absolutely nailed it!

I'm relatively new to MN, and it amazes me how much wisdom there is here!

LavenderGreen14 · 27/03/2014 07:01

I agree wholeheartedly with Springdaffs - totally on the money.

oldgrandmama · 27/03/2014 15:37

Just read the springydaffs post. She has absolutely said it ALL. There is absolutely NO BLOODY BENEFIT for you meeting the OP hag. She and your ex will just lie, twist, and generally try to make you look bad afterwards, when they report back to their friends. DON'T DO IT.

They've more than proved what a pair of horrible, nasty, twisted and totally conscience-free turds they are. Don't give them any more things to lie and twist and use against you. Because they will, if you meet them.

Personally, I can't image how a 'man', who was with you, fathered a child with you, can act like he is acting now. Be understandable to say 'oh well, maybe he's having a brain-storm, or something ...' I fear not, though. He was probably like that all along, but hid it well. Then the hag got her claws into him, used lies to entangle him ... happened to me, with my 'best friend' using our deep friendship (I thought) to turn him against me with blatant lies about things I'd never said!, dripping poison in his ear. The sorry sod fell for it all. And boy, does he regret it now (married to her!)

Have no fear, OP, karma will get him, and her. It always does. I've told you how in my PMs.

ajandjjmum · 27/03/2014 16:31

Awful situation MrsC - just wanted to say that the way you handle this will have a huge impact on your DD, as she is mature enough to see what is going on. Be careful for her as well as yourself - and in thinking through things carefully to protect her, it might just give you some strength to handle things in the best way for you! Sorry - that doesn't really make sense, but I hope you know what I mean. Thanks

You're a strong woman and you will get through this.

What a pair of bastards.

OurMiracle1106 · 27/03/2014 16:44

I would personally email her and ask her to please stop contacting you state you wish to have no further contact with her. And when she emails again tell her next time she does you will seek legal advice (phone 101 and ask the police to stop her. They can and will with an harrassment order I was forced to get one on my exh)

If she brings up your son simply message saying you arent prepared to discuss with her your child

springydaffs · 28/03/2014 00:33

I wouldn't. Email, that is. and even if I did, I definitely wouldn't be saying please, or wish - both show emotion, both sound pleading.

Practise statements (this is for when you have to speak, which, hopefully, will be very rarely) - take out all words that have any emotion in them. Be not nice, not nasty - like a robot. Show no emotion at all. (i appreciate this is tremendously hard to do but practise makes perfect).

To stop the terrible cycle of them gloating over your pain, withdraw any and every emotion from the dynamic - the dynamic will collapse. They will kick up big time, so prepare yourself, but don't cave, keep up the withdrawal of all emotion = no contact unless absolutely necessary. eg outlining practicalities: 'the appointment at the contact centre is 3pm and you are required to attend'. Say nothing more, resist adding anything on or attempting to appeal to their 'humanity'. They are not your friends, they are your deepest enemies and have made that abundantly clear.

Sometimes the war is so deadly that normal rules don't apply. They are trying to destroy you, every part of you: the memory of you, your place as a mother, your mind. So forget being decent, kindly, humane - all that has long gone. Get some steel in your soul. Do it for your kids if you find it hard to do it for yourself.

TheShimmeringPussycat · 28/03/2014 03:34

'please' and 'wish' sound like polite formal language to me, in the context given by miracle - not pleading..
eg I would like a refund, please. I wish to make a complaint.

handfulofcottonbuds · 28/03/2014 07:15

mrsc - how are you doing?

Have you decided what you will do yet?

When I talked to my stbxh with emotion, he was even more nasty to me and detached and hurt me even more. He responded by saying things like, "I'll talk to you when you're stronger". He also had the cheek to say, "this will get easier for you". He had no right to tell me that when he was the one causing pain.

I suppose what I'm saying is that once I removed the emotion, he crumbled, he didn't have a clue how I was feeling then and it really got to him. I had removed his power over me and he no longer got the upper hand. In turn, it gave me strength.

I agree, you cannot reason with them, they don't have a better nature like we do, they have proved that in the most deceitful way. Remove your emotion and be matter of fact, it will work better and it will make you stronger.

A friend of mine said I need to deal with this whole situation like I would if it was a project at work. Be firm, be factual and be detached.

I hope you have something lovely planned for this Sunday Thanks

springydaffs · 28/03/2014 11:31

And when you're making statements, try not to do in a superior tone, which would suggest you are being combative, competing: 'this is my new weapon, I'm being cold see what you think of that then '. Just be completely flat.

I apologise for being prescriptive: this situation is dire - 'desperate' as you say in your title - and is becoming established, entrenched. If you don't do something to alter the dynamic, this will continue, get worse (if that is even possible). They are on a roll and you have to alter the dynamic to stop it.

izziewizzie · 28/03/2014 14:13

Please don't try and see the OW.
I don't often post in relationships, but my ex left me after an affair. He was awful to me leading up to it, but his behaviour after beggars belief.
He attempted systematically to destroy me financially. I was caring for our 16 month dd who had some special needs, and was barely working due to this, he stopped paying the mortgage and bills the minute he left, despite promising he would. When the bank rang to say that the bills had come out and no money had gone in, I spoke to him and he assured me he was about to put the money in.
A few days later I remember him sniggering on the phone as he told me he "never had any intention of putting any money in" that half the overdraft was mine now, and maybe that would teach me a lesson.
He then two months later remembered a row we had before he left, decided he was suddenly scared after that row, and sent the police to the house.....
He moved straight in with the OW, having refused to leave for two months, yet putting boxes of chocolates he had bought for her in the fridge.....
I had no contact with her, and fuck knows I wanted to, I wanted to know why, how she could justify it, how she could have her children round him when he had stopped any help for his own child (CSA also stopped within weeks) and no matter how much I pretended otherwise, I would have gone berserk had I met her.

I'm not telling you this to hijack. I'm telling you because time is a great healer, and with it comes some sort of clarity of the situation.

My exs girlfriend may have had the morals of a dog in heat, but it was my ex who cheated. She couldn't have taken him if he didn't want to go. She couldn't make him treat me properly, and likewise she was not responsible for the fact he abandoned his own child.

My ex did all of that all by himself, because he was a cunt, and he wanted to tbh. It was easy to blame her, because his character just flipped one day, and I wanted to believe this woman had caused it. But she didn't. She may not have helped, but no one made my ex do anything he didn't want to.
She owed me nothing.

That is very hard to accept. But I also believe that water finds it own level, and those two deserve each other frankly.

Please don't meet her. It won't go how you want, and you may well find the police on your door after they have twisted what you said. You may think you will be strong and polite, but you are walking into a lions den, you will get upset, and she will wreck your confidence further.

Five years on I am married and I have another baby, something I never thought would happen for me.

You can and will come out the other side, but you need to not play into their hands, hard as it is x