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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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magoria · 11/06/2014 21:20

Pfft he would need a brain to have a brain tumour.

He is just one big malignant cancerous lump.

LBZT · 11/06/2014 21:25

mrsc I am very tempted to be annoyed with you ...please do not respond to his rubbish please please please I beg you stop e-mailing texting back, he's not worth it. You will not get anywhere you really really have to stop. Promise me next time you want to rant at him you post your response here. We will all read and share your anger at his twatishness but you are never going to get anywhere responding to him. There lecture over.
Sorry hope I'm still welcome on your thread.

AcrossthePond55 · 11/06/2014 22:03

Oh dear, MrsC, he really should take up writing. He has a true gift for fiction, doesn't he?

I will admit, it would set my teeth on edge, also, and it would be so hard not to respond in kind. But I can see LBZT's point. Perhaps you should consider whether or not it's worth the effort to respond? Even if it feels good at the time, could that energy be better spent elsewhere? Of course, if it's worth it to you then have at him. Sometimes you just have to get it out there and get it said.

You should definitely get his lovely letter to your solicitor. Probably with a copy of your response. To be truly an effectual advocate for you, he/she must know everything that goes on between you & Mr WT. And really, I think your solicitor should send a letter to his solicitor requesting that he/she advise Mr WT that any future contact of ANY kind is to be done through the solicitors' offices. Because in my mind, his 'do not contact me but here is my abusive letter to you' constitutes harassment.

As far as his health, one of the leading causes of migraines is stress. And it must be so terribly stressful for him to keep track of all his lies, double-dealings, and attempts at manipulations!!

MrsC1969HJ · 11/06/2014 22:52

You're all absolutely right of course...LBZT, I wouldn't dream of not having you on my thread and I do need telling off sometimes!!!!! I couldn't help it, I know, I had to. I have been very good at disengaging recently and just writing to his solicitor but that wound me up so much. It's all mind games with him, it really is. I suspect they are running scared because they know that I have had enough now and he has done so many illegal things that he really is in trouble. Believe me, I know that he is currently doing a large conversion on her home...for which he will be paid. He also said the client that he mentioned in his email had ended the contract in February. Migraines indeed...he can't keep up! Bear in mind he mentions OW's money...in mediation OW was skint, couldn't afford to buy even food and he had to pay all her bills!!! Thank God somebody's on the ball here! I should also say I have had to stand down my solicitor for several reasons. She doesn't do legal aid but believes I may be able to get it because of the domestic violence incident. I am having some difficulty finding one at the moment but am on it. I also don't want to run up unnecessary legal bills for my family with matters I can deal with myself. I will need them and money when it comes to court so will deal with this early stage as a self-repper. I am writing to his solicitor with EVERYTHING as it has to be part of my bundle. So, what a twat is all I can say. It's funny, I dealt with his migraines for years and years, it's nice to have somebody else seeing the other side to him now! I'll bet she loves it! x

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Pinkballoon · 11/06/2014 23:33

Looks like it was written for the benefit of the court. Trying to show remorse etc. for what he's done, but at the same time he's a bit of a do do for making threats in it re. his health and walking out of OW's house if you go after her income. I'd say the OW's money has become quite an issue, as they will know that it will be taken into consideration by the court, if you ask the court to. A bit stupid of him to put in writing that he will deliberately go and increase his outgoings by paying rent, rather than stay in OW's house and have their joint income assessed.

They always dismiss the child's health (my one's been doing that one.) Otherwise, what sort of a picture does it paint of a father who abandoned his child and wife, when his child was undergoing assessments etc.

MrsC1969HJ · 11/06/2014 23:59

I agree Pink...it's all about the money, always has been! He is a cock, he really is. Oh well, his solicitor will have a lovely missive in her inbox in the morning. He is continually dismissing DS's issues, the only time he has acknowledged them was in front of me at "the walk in the park"...tosser. I have really had enough of him now. What a twat. He has yet to process the implications of the "story" I posted last night..good luck with that!

How are you? How are things? Don't want to go into too much here but PM me and let me know xx

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MrsC1969HJ · 12/06/2014 01:25

Have logged back into email account....no response. Was a bit venomous. I don't care, he deserved it. He also emailed something weird. He sent me the V5 for the car to "sign it over" like he was doing me a massive favour (bought me the car after DS was born and clearly needed to tax and insure her massive 4x4 so didn't want to be responsible for another vehicle). So sent it off even though it was illegally registered...he registered my car at his mates house where he pretended he was living for such a long time but never did on the basis he had to continue to insure it. What a cock. Another thing that he must hope to God doesn't come out, more fraud. Anyway, sent me a long email about why I hadn't re-registered the car, he noted I was uninsured (?!) and he had informed DVLA and had spoken to them today and they recommended this document and that document blah blah...WTF? I got my new registration docs a month ago, checked ASKMid, car insurance present and correct. Maybe he has got a brain tumour....or is just the epitome of Wankering Twattishness (Across I can't tell you how liked that comment was on my FB page today!!! LOL!). Is it me or am I right to be wondering what the fuck is wrong with him?! :-( x

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pointythings · 12/06/2014 09:20

MrsC you really mustn't respond to his self-indulgent rants.
Stay on your moral high ground, talk through your solicitors (hope you get a new one soon).

He has reached rock bottom and this is him starting to dig - just let him do it. More fraud re the car? Great, that's a lovely paper trail he has left behind and meanwhile all your stuff is in order.

And his health issues or otherwise are Not Your Problem, so don't worry about them - what is wrong with him is a severe case of Wankantium Twattitis.

springydaffs · 12/06/2014 09:59

You need a solicitor, Mrs. Some expenses are essential - like an architect for a self-build. People have a go at doing it without the expert but it usually ends up costing much more (and is often a tangled mess). It is an essential expense, especially in this case; and, as you (understandably) can't help firing back, it is an essential barrier between you and him. He is digging his own grave, hold back, get the expert between you to deal with the themes without emotion xx

MrsC1969HJ · 12/06/2014 10:45

Pointy I know, I couldn't help it. He is such an arse, but I am not biting this time...trying to make me feel sorry for him!! Loving the Latin version of "complete cock" :-D

Springy, I am currently trying to find a solicitor who will deal with me on a legal aid basis which is proving difficult. At the moment, it is just submission of info related to disclosure and I can do that myself. I have made it quite clear that I will only respond to his solicitor from now on. Everything/anything else will be ignored. God what a cock, digging his own grave indeed! Thanks girls! :-) xx

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LBZT · 12/06/2014 13:32

Don't forget mrsc if you want to send him a rant post it here instead, use this thread to let off steam. Good Luck with finding the right solicitor.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/06/2014 15:44

LBZT has it, post it here. Or PM it to one/some of us if it's something you don't want public.

I know that sol are very expensive. It's that way here, too. And it seems as if divorce specialists are even more so! Do you have an equivalent to Paralegals there? They aren't lawyers, but are educated in the law and work under the supervision of a lawyer. They can help with basics, forms, letters, etc and are significantly cheaper than a sol. That was the way my divorce was done, albeit that was many moons ago and a very simple divorce. The paralegal did all the paperwork and only consulted with a lawyer on a few questions.

TwinkleTwinkleStarlight · 12/06/2014 16:39

Unless there is a history of recorded DV there is no loner legal aid for divorce in the UK I'm afraid. It was all part of the cuts.

MrsC1969HJ · 12/06/2014 17:35

I will in future, I promise. I think that he got the message, there has been no response...unsurprisingly, I was quite, er, acidic!

Across..honestly, the forms are simple, I am able to do all of that myself, actually I have done already. Currently sorting out his partial disclosure. I simply don't have the money for legal rep and only want to rely on family when I really need it ie : court. Cousin, a lawyer, is helping me. I think husband is desperate to keep out of court and hoping that he will settle before that...one can hope!

Twinkle...there is recorded DV and a police caution, hence my solicitor's previous advice :-).

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MrsC1969HJ · 13/06/2014 22:43

Oh got a lovely bit of unexpected insight today....and I quote "I don't really want to have to work so she is my meal ticket, keep my head down and nose clean and do what she says"....LOFL! What a lovely relationship that is. Do you know, looking back at my first post, I felt like shit, like I was going to die. I am not. Was I bothered about that today? Was I hell...what a perfect example of wankering twattishness. Cuddles and kisses? Sounds more like whips and chains to me. Oh to be free of all that crap :-)

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DickCrack · 13/06/2014 22:59

You are doing amazingly well mrsC - leave him to dig his own grave, you have come a long way.

MrsC1969HJ · 13/06/2014 23:05

Dick, it's as funny you calling me MrsC as it is me calling you Dick :-) Perils of FB!:-) x

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/06/2014 23:37

Sooo, basically, he's a gold-digger then. A kept man, a gigolo*. Nice. And I just wonder what he would have to say if he overheard a woman say that. So what is he going to do when she realizes it and boots him out the door? Mr WT really doesn't think ahead, does he? And Ms OW has herself a real prize!

*But of course, he could be just saying that to throw you off the money-trail by making you think he's not working when he really is. I'd keep digging for info, if I were you!

MrsC1969HJ · 14/06/2014 09:04

Morning Across, it's amusing really. How lovely to be able to make that decision at his age! Never mind he has a son to support. Amazing. Clearly, I don't believe a word he says anyway and I always keep that in mind :-) x

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beccajoh · 14/06/2014 09:12

I don't think I've posted before but have been reading all this time. I think you're doing so well, and reading your very first post versus more recently shows how far you've come. More to the point, the hole he's dug himself is enormous. He'll be in Australia in no time Grin

LBZT · 14/06/2014 09:45

So he clearly doesn't love her or her child, oddly I would take that as a comfort. Looking at it, as there is no love involved it means there is no chance of longevity for them (not that I thought there was before). So at some point this will all implode and he will be left with nothing...Oh dear I'm starting to feel a bit sad for him..sorry! I think you need to get the finances sorted out as soon as you can before he is left with nothing. Glad to see you are keeping a "sense of humour" about this, your posts are getting stronger in tone, it's good to see.

MrsC1969HJ · 14/06/2014 11:35

Beccajoh...thank you for reading and posting! I do appreciate it! Unfortunately he will never be able to go to Australia due to his Police caution...never mind...I can though :-)

LBZT Do you know, it's weird, I obviously don't know what goes on behind closed doors and at the moment, I am sure he likes the "control" given he has no control over anything. However, I think ultimately, he won't be enough for her, in any way. If I put myself in her shoes, I cannot imagine working, running businesses etc and having a layabout boyfriend at home not working. How can you respect somebody like that? Mind you, it might work for them, at least she always knows where he is!! That will be important! I agree, I need to get finances sorted asap especially as he has hinted that he will move out if I try get her money (what a strange thing to say, he was saying she couldn't even afford to buy food a few weeks ago!). He doesn't realise it's not about getting her money, it's about their joint income being taken into account. He is living rent free and has been provided with a car...oh and a horse it seems!! So, I do need to sort it out as soon as possible but that might be out of my hands ultimately. Anyway, yes, feeling so much stronger, have had some male attention recently...that helps! ;-) xx

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AcrossthePond55 · 14/06/2014 14:20

Ooooh, a bit of male attention, dearie? Do tell! LOL. You know, I really don't have a problem with a 'house-husband'. My DH was hurt on the job & was out of work for around 2 years and he completely took over the homefront. I will say it was nice to have a clean house and supper ready when I came home. I even asked him if he just wanted to stay home & be a full time sahd since we could survive on my earnings. He said NO WAY!, he wanted to get back to work. He said he really hadn't understood how much of his self-esteem was wrapped up in providing for his family. Obviously Mr WT doesn't feel that way and somehow I doubt very much if Mr WT is carrying the load of running OW's house for her.

If it is true that he's not working, I'd assume that it's only until your finances are sorted and orders for maintenance are done. She's probably colluding with him in this, tbh. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a man has quit working to avoid child support! BFF's xh did this routinely. As soon as the child support agency found where he was working & tapped his wages, he'd quit that job. He actually went to jail once rather than pay child support!

LBZT · 14/06/2014 14:39

Oh no I am so naive it never occurred to me that the not working is just until child support is sorted. That's low (massive understatement here). What sort of father is he oh I want to rant now...

Male attention do tell mrsc. Grin

MrsC1969HJ · 14/06/2014 16:49

Oh nothing would surprise me with those two. I have maintained from the beginning that she is the main player in this..she has always had an issue with me, always, and this will be like manna from Heaven for her. It's amazing when I look back at emails and his initial promises for me not to worry about finances, he would make sure we were OK, blah blah, then all of a sudden it all changed and in such a vicious fashion that I knew somebody was behind it. He's a prick but he's never been vicious. I am not excusing him, he could/should have said no, but then that brings us back round to the "mealticket" thing and doing as he's told. I didn't mind him being at home particularly, it was the nature of his business that things were quiet for long stretches at times, but he didn't do anything, didn't lift a bloody finger. I did everything in the home. This is why I am going for ancillary relief, it means that if he tries this tactic then I can reapply to the court when his circumstances improve which means he is going to be beholden to his own lies...and really have to keep up appearances effectively trapping himself further. He has no idea what's coming, he really doesn't.

Anyway, yes, I appear to have attracted the attention of two lovely chaps, it's nice to have a bit of attention and to realise that other people do find you attractive. Not in that place yet, but it's fun nonetheless! :-). Both single, both in their 40's, both younger than me Wink

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