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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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pointythings · 14/06/2014 19:11

Ooooh MrsC! Look at you! Smile

You know that these blokes are attracted to you because of who you are now, don't you? Strong, independent, fighting your own battles, so very different from the woman who started this thread. It proves once and for all that you have freed yourself emotionally from Mr WT - men aren't generally drawn to women who have 'I am still not over the bastard' written all over them.

You just carry on and make the sky fall on him, I like the idea of you being able to come after him when his financial circumstances suddenly and 'magically' improve.

MrsC1969HJ · 15/06/2014 22:58

You're so right Pointy...I am actually amazed I am giving out vibes...didn't even realise I was! I am actually horrendously pissed off and angry with him today. I thought he might ask me to see his son today as it's father's day...he didn't...which spoke volumes and indicates to me they already had big plans for celebrating what a great stepdad he is blah blah blah. I bought him a present mainly because he didn't bother with mother's day and I wanted to make a point. He used to buy a medium in pants but has put on so much weight I bought him a pair of Calvins in XL and his favourite chocolate :-D. I am sure the Calvins didn't make it through the front door of the lovenest but it made me feel better! These days are so hurtful. Anyway, I will be fine tomorrow. Inadequate wanker! x

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pointythings · 16/06/2014 11:18

You're allowed to be angry at him, though I'm not sure that buying him presents to make a point is a great thing to do. And why waste chocolate on him when you should be keeping it all for yourself and your DCs? Still, if doing it made you feel better in a 'revenge' sort of way maybe it's right for you.

I am so sorry he let your DS down like that, but you aren't really surprised, are you?

MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 11:36

Oh no, it was about rising above him ignoring Father's Day, making sure my son had the pleasure of giving his Dad a present, which he was really excited about and generally being the better human being! Made me feel better anyway :-). Of course I am not surprised, never expect anything less from him!

On a more serious note, I have had an email from his solicitor today saying she is no longer representing him. I don't know if this is his instruction or like all the others, she is fed up, but it means that he will have to represent himself in court and that will give me the laugh of my life :-)

Also, have discovered that police are unlikely to take any further action re : Bodge Mobile and that scandal. Bizarrely, because I have got the money back, I am no longer considered the victim. However, there may be further developments with that yet...!

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Anniegetyourgun · 16/06/2014 12:02

OW doesn't have enough money to eat, but she can afford to feed a horse? OK.

I'm not sure I believe the not working thing either, I mean you know he's told you two different stories already which can't both be true (he has no work/he is only working for one client), so it's perfectly possible he's earning but making a careful point of saying to you in writing that he isn't (and then contradicting himself also in writing, but then we have already established he is a bit thick). Just carry on assuming that absolutely everything he says is either a complete lie or twisted beyond recognition and you can't go far wrong.

With regard to the email/texting, do remember they have form for claiming you harassed them - if you flash off angry responses they will have a stick to beat you with, which may even have been what he was after. At the very least it amuses them to know they are getting to you, so the very best response of all is... "whatever". They hate that.

MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 12:28

Annie, thanks for your post! Oh it's two horses now!! :-). No, I agree, everything he writes must be taken with a HUGE pinch of salt. He really is thick, it's frightening. I didn't realise just how thick though, I must have been blind all these years.

I shouldn't have responded to that stupid email, I couldn't help it, it was so pathetic and needy and "poor me", really set my teeth on edge! I won't do it again, I promise. God, this is all going to be so stressful with the court thing, he is going to continue to be a complete pain in the arse in every way possible. You'd think he'd want to get this settled and get the absolute wouldn't you? Erm, no.....!

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pointythings · 16/06/2014 13:29

I think it is going to be stressful in court, but on the other hand you will have the satisfaction of watching the house of cards he has built out lies and deception knocked to the ground by the evidence, all this in front of people who have the power to judge him and decide what he has to do. Until then you will just have to be cool, calm and controlled and get on with your life. I would imagine that seeing him represent himself in court will be quite entertaining, given that he has told so many conflicting lies he can't even keep them straight.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/06/2014 14:06

"Yer Honour M'Lud, you see before you a poor, honest workingman. Treated so unfairly by this, this, this (where are my notes?), ah yes, woman! M'Lud, how am I to support my floozy and her horses if I have to pay for shoes for my son? How are we supposed to take holidays if I have to pay this, this, this (where are my notes again?), ah yes, WOMAN to take my son to various appointments to help him adjust to this insignificant event in his life? Whotzat, M'Lud, what event? The divorce, of course, not a big deal, after all, everyone's doing it. Whotzat M'Lud? Pull the other what? I have to pay HOW MUCH?!? But, but, but M'Lud, we've already booked our holiday in Majorca! Shove it WHERE? But, M'Lud, there's no room, that's where I keep my brains!"

IrianofWay · 16/06/2014 14:19

Garrgghh!! I keep popping in here MrsC hoping that he will have disappeared up his own arse in a puff of idiot dust. You are amazing!

Please make sure us the full gory details when his life does collapse around his ears Grin

pointythings · 16/06/2014 14:28

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AcrossthePond, can MrsC employ you as the scriptwriter when it comes time to pitching the sitcom to the BBC? Or perhaps it's more a Channel 4 jobbie? Possible working titles:

The Man With No Brain
Calvin, Extra Large
Mr WT (We might not get away with that one)

AcrossthePond55 · 16/06/2014 15:45

I'm available, pointy. I think we'll have to pitch it as a fantasy sitcom. We can call it "The Wacky World of Mr WT, or, Life in the Outer Regions of Insanity". Or we can flip it to a heroine/drama called "The Triumph of Mrs C, or, How I Got the Last Laugh by Living Happily Ever After".

We'll let MrsC decide which angle, eh? Wink

MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 22:33

Oh you girls always make me laugh, we would all make a great team telling this story! I think we'll go down the fantasy sitcom route...ie : you couldn't make it up....! :-)

So, having let the side down by getting a bit tearful and upset today with the stress of all of this, I am now feeling a lot stronger after a long conversation with a fellow Mumsnetter who is self representing and has been an amazing source of info and support. This is why this site is so amazing.

I am still majorly pissed off about the police inaction regarding the Bodge Mobile incident...actually unbelievable. It seems you can commit all sorts of crimes and it's fine...!

Irianofway I love posts like yours, love to know there are lurkers out there who are so shocked they feel the need to post every now and again...oh believe me, I will be keeping everybody posted with everything, it's bound to go on and on...but will need a new thread soon! Will be good to start it with a more positive first post than this one!

My thread in legals has been helpful...and Wikivorce too. I can do this! xx

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springydaffs · 16/06/2014 22:36

I've read too many stories on MN relationships to believe she is necessarily the main player. These FWs - when they turn, they morph into someone beyond recognition Sad

eg its a trick of abusive men to represent themselves. Saying that, I had to represent myself at one point - no choice - and the court was very kind and lenient with me. He'll be looking for that; also doesn't trust a solicitor to put forward his case (the give me everything so I can move on from these 'people' case). This is where you're going to have to seriously rein in your emotions, Mrs, because you can't be seething and blurting things out in the courtroom - the judge just won't listen to you. It'll take superhuman effort but you're going to have to let him dig a giant hole. I don't know if you pray, but this is a time when it may be appropriate xx

springydaffs · 16/06/2014 22:41

Sorry, that was a bit sledgehammerish - sorry. I suppose I've been there and it all gets a bit serious and I'm trying to warn you. I speak as one who screamed a full hammer-horror scream in the street (at fwstbxh, who was being a total shit) so I'm not pointing fingers. I know how difficult it can be xx

MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 22:46

Yes Springy you're absolutely right. However, he is really not intelligent enough to do this, he really isn't. It will be interesting to see how this pans out...at a guess, he will move out...albeit temporarily, he has told me as much, in writing. I am only going to self rep so far, am going to seek a public access barrister for where it is necessary. The lady I spoke to tonight has a book that she has used to guide her through this and mentioned that the court makes concessions where there is behaviour that "makes you gasp"...I think this is one such case.

As I currently have to correspond with him directly, it will be interesting to see where this goes. It's amazing he retained his solicitor a week ago and she has been sacked already. Very odd behaviour. He probably thinks it will all just "go away". I do indeed pray...especially for this to be over! I know I have a long road ahead though. Thank God for all of you girls who have my back all the time! :-) xx

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MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 22:47

Springy don't ever apologise, ever..you are amazing xx

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pointythings · 16/06/2014 22:51

I think you're making a very good point, springydaffs - the courtroom is where you need to be cool, calm and collected and let them use their rope to hang themselves with - and this is hard. I haven't been there myself, I post on these boards because DH's cousin (who is utterly lovely) had a completely shit divorce from her cheating, physically and emotionally abusive H who played all the tricks in the book. I tried to be her rock then, now I'm trying to pass that on to other people, all the while being aware how lucky I am with my own DH who hasn't got a twattish bone in his body...

The humour is a defence, letting off steam on MN may very well help MrsC to hold it together when she really needs to, hence all the talk about fantasy sitcoms.

I'm also inclined to put as much blame on him as on his OW - which is lots for both of them. It isn't all coming from her, this is who he really is.

pointythings · 16/06/2014 22:52

Ooops, my most epic crosspost ever...

Blame me for watching too many loom bands tutorials. Addicted, who, me?

MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 22:57

LOL Pointy...! I REALLY need the humour, and love it :-)

Oh of course they are both to blame...interesting though, I had a friend stay at the weekend who was his accountant and he rang her at the beginning of all of this asking her to give me whatever information I needed, that he would do everything possible to support me and the kids and that we would always be OK financially blah blah and then all of a sudden we had the massive about turn...that was no coincidence. I will have my day with OW...she just doesn't know it yet!

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springydaffs · 16/06/2014 23:11

I don't think it's the OW behind this (more sledgehammer, despite my grovelling apologies). She definitely plays a part, that's certain, but he behaviour just does follow the script, the way cheating rodents end up behaving Sad

MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 23:28

Springy I would normally agree except for the fact that those who have "crossed" her and know her well have all described her as "malicious"...even my own brother who employed her for 3 years. H is so blindingly thick, there is no way he thought all this up on his own, absolutely no way. His behaviour does follow the script, that is true though, I was just thinking about the Monday after he left me on the Saturday when he was sat at my kitchen table telling my lovely friend who was supporting me and right in front of me "I will obviously be divorcing MrsC on the grounds of her unreasonable behaviour and as soon as possible so that she can't accuse me of adultery in the future"...BIG clue you massive twat! Look where we are now, ie : no further forward. I can't wait to get rid of him, he is an arsehole of epic proportions and I wish wish wish he wasn't the father of my poor little boy :-(

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Aoifebelle · 16/06/2014 23:39

Mrs c there might be something in what springy says. The sister I mentioned before spent a long time underestimating just how much of a shit and how manipulative her x was. She too had him down as thick as shit ( you should meet the sister, dumbest bitch i ever met) and just not bright enough to pull half the stuff he has. Fact is he is on 3rd gf now, and still being a mega shit. Turns out he was indeed capabale of thinkijg this up all on his lonesome. It was only when she figured out that he is capable of just about anything that she started really boxing clever, and properly disengaging and protecting herself.

MrsC1969HJ · 16/06/2014 23:48

Aoifebelle...thank you for posting again! I so appreciate it. Oh believe me, I don't underestimate him..it's just that his "underhandedness" is so transparent it is unbelievable. What sort of man trying to pull the strokes he has, then goes on it put all of it in writing for all to see, he won't speak to me, won't have a conversation (aside from the walk in the park) but every bit of other crap he has written down. In fact I get more from him on paper than I ever have face to face. However, now he has dug himself a spectacular hole as everything he does now is up for scrutiny and his partial disclosure says it all in terms of "makes you gasp" behaviour. Oh I do wish he'd drop dead. I would never say that about anybody, ever, but this time I have to make an exception. Poisonous arsehole x

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AcrossthePond55 · 17/06/2014 00:27

Well, I can think of no more dangerous combination than a manipulative, vicious woman and a stupid, thinks-with-his-cock man. And that's what our MrsC is dealing with. He may be too stupid to come out of the rain, but OW isn't. And I'm sure she's hand-feeding him every step of the way. That would account for the way he says one thing then later backtracks. It's because she's told him to! Don't underestimate him, of course, but even more than that, don't underestimate her.

And MrsC, don't ever think you've let the side down by getting a little wobbly & shedding a few tears (gives severe look, shakes finger). You are very, very strong and determined, we all know that. But we all also know that you have every right to have a bit of feeling sad. You've been through a lot and unfortunately there is probably more to come before it's all over. Wail away. Because we know you'll dry those lovely eyes, sniff a couple more times then move on.

Not surprised about the lack of police interest. My mother's housecleaner stole pain medication from Mum and then had the gall to have the prescription refilled twice and the police did nothing. She told them that Mum had told her to refill the scripts 'for her' and she (Mum) 'must have forgotten that, her memory, you know'. Mum was sharp as a tack and very insulted when the police basically patted her hand (Poor dear, hell getting old, what.)and sent her on her way. Infuriating.

Aoifebelle · 17/06/2014 07:32

Oh yes my mother seriously considered bashing my BIL's head in (he had made particular efforts to get his feet under her table). She reckoned as she was old there wasn't much they could do to her. I talked her out of it, eventually.